Why would it ruin the whole series for me? I have so many fond memories of playing through the trilogy. ME3 was a great game, and I love it as much as the other two. I think the ending is fixed (as best as it could get.) I had a fun time playing Mass Effect over, and over.
Did ME3 ruin the trilogy for you?
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#227
Posté 28 août 2012 - 10:06
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Mass Effect 3.
I played it though only once. I tried a second time. I really tried. I tired so damn hard. But knowning that the ending was... what it was... I couldn't. Hell, I went online and spent hours getting 100% galactic readiness just to try and get a better ending. But then I found out that everything is the same.
To put that in perspective, I played through Mass Effect 2 over a dozen times, with multiple different Shepards. I had fun every time. Nothing about that game made me want to put it down or soured me on Bioware games.
Adding to that, I played though Mass Effect (1), with just my main Shepard, more times than EVERY ME2 PLAYTHROUGH COMBINED! Nevermind the other Shepards I created for different stories.
So, to answer the question: yes. Mass Effect 3 isn't half as good as the original, which was miles better than ME2, which was miles better than ME3.
Sure, ME2 and ME3 had better graphics and and shooting and cover mechanics. But some people just don't see it. Mass Effect was a true role playing game and sci-fi space opera. Hear that? ROLE PLAYING GAME. If it were a book, it would be the best sci-fi book ever written, but still wouldn't be as good as the game. Its certainly the best RPG of this generation of gaming console (360, PS3 and Wii). Its easily the best game on Xbox 360. I'm not the only one who thinks so either. http://ca.ign.com/ar...-games-3?page=5
Mass Effect had more choice than ME2 and ME3 combined. You got to pick Shepard's background before the military, and previous military service, and that was before you even got to shoot anything! You didn't have to spend 85% of the game rounding up your crew (ME2, I'm looking at you). All but one were right there on the Citadel after you did Eden Prime, which was basically a prologue that took twenty to thirty minutes to make you know your enemy (Geth, Saren, big purple ship (later revealed to be Soverign)), to introduce you to two of your three romance options in the game, and to make you want to kill the big bad, Saren.
Then there were the missions. Rather than eight or nine short, easy missions that always end basically the same way, you got three amazing one's right off the start. Sure, finding Liara doesn't have a whole lot ofdifferent paths it can take, but that wasn't the point. She's pretty easily the most important crew member in the trilogy, and simply recruiting her MORE than warranted a mission all to itself.
Then Noveria and Feros? Holy ****! Those were better than any mission you play at any point in either ME2 OR ME3. Noveria had such a creepy feel to it with the Rachni. And you got to make a choice that actually had HUGE potential to impact the galaxy. Or it did. But the "Story" department kind of got hung out to dry when EA got their grubby little hands all over the series. Not saying it was EA's fault, but the problems started happening about when they arrived.
Also, Noveria had some interesting, problem solving objectives, as well as some fun side quests with multiple possible conclusions (in a side quest!!!!!!) and added a spark of life to the world around you.
And Feros... do I even need to get into this. Feros was creepy too, first of all. With everyone acting weird, and the Thorian doing its thing... it was pure awesomeness. Bioware did Mass Effect a huge disservice by not bringing up more in the following games about Feros, barely mentioning it at all. Maybe through studying the Throian's ability to control people, a cure for Reaper indoctrination could have been found? Wasted opportunity. Also, Shepard gets to be a total badass during this mission. Wait, Shepard is always a total badass in Mass Effect. Not like in ME3, where the god-child makes Shepard a little **** who has to go all emo and commit suicide to save the galaxy. Or sure, Shepard can refuse, but then everyone dies. Lame. No thanks. Try again.
To get to the point. BIOWARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You fell short of Mass Effect's greatness with ME2, but you completely ruined the series with ME3. Well done (slow, sarcastic clap). Mass Effect was my favorite game for more then three years. I can't even play the first one anyore though. Not because I don't like it anymore. I still love it. Mass Effect is amazing! But now that I know how it ends... just no. No. I can't go through all that again, fall in love with the world you created, the characters you brought to life, just to have you stamp it all down into the **** heap in ME3. Not going to happen.
TL;DR You lazy gits... yes, ME3 ruined Mass Effect. Hell, ME3 is not even worthy of being called "Mass Effect". Compared to the original, its a complete disgrace.
Bioware, I believe that you can deliver with Dragon Age 3. I really do. You've made great RPGs in the past. Please, cut the crap, stop with the bull****, and do it again. No more of this 'reaching out for casuals' crap. Trust me, if people play DA3, and they like it enough, then they might play DA:O and DA2 without you having to lower the relative intelligence of your game from "human" to "house plant".
Make Dragon Age 3 like Mass Effect or Dragon Age: Origins. Make it a TRUE RPG. Not some ****ty hybrid like DA2, or ME3. I exclude ME2 from the descriptor of being "****ty," because even though it wasn't as good as Mass Effect, it was still fun to play. Both DA:O and Mass Effect were miles better.
I don't know, maybe they just want to make games that don't really fit into a genre, and instead kind of take little bits from everything. But there's an old saying. "A jack of all trades is a master of none." I'd rather have an incredible RPG experience that isn't a great shooter, than a 'pretty good' RPG with great third person shooter mechanics.
/endrant
******************** I expect some of the people who support ME3's ending and Bioware's "artistic integrity" to flame me, troll me, or be sarcastic. Don't bother. I wont be coming back to this thread. I respect, but disagree with, your opinions. That is all.
I played it though only once. I tried a second time. I really tried. I tired so damn hard. But knowning that the ending was... what it was... I couldn't. Hell, I went online and spent hours getting 100% galactic readiness just to try and get a better ending. But then I found out that everything is the same.
To put that in perspective, I played through Mass Effect 2 over a dozen times, with multiple different Shepards. I had fun every time. Nothing about that game made me want to put it down or soured me on Bioware games.
Adding to that, I played though Mass Effect (1), with just my main Shepard, more times than EVERY ME2 PLAYTHROUGH COMBINED! Nevermind the other Shepards I created for different stories.
So, to answer the question: yes. Mass Effect 3 isn't half as good as the original, which was miles better than ME2, which was miles better than ME3.
Sure, ME2 and ME3 had better graphics and and shooting and cover mechanics. But some people just don't see it. Mass Effect was a true role playing game and sci-fi space opera. Hear that? ROLE PLAYING GAME. If it were a book, it would be the best sci-fi book ever written, but still wouldn't be as good as the game. Its certainly the best RPG of this generation of gaming console (360, PS3 and Wii). Its easily the best game on Xbox 360. I'm not the only one who thinks so either. http://ca.ign.com/ar...-games-3?page=5
Mass Effect had more choice than ME2 and ME3 combined. You got to pick Shepard's background before the military, and previous military service, and that was before you even got to shoot anything! You didn't have to spend 85% of the game rounding up your crew (ME2, I'm looking at you). All but one were right there on the Citadel after you did Eden Prime, which was basically a prologue that took twenty to thirty minutes to make you know your enemy (Geth, Saren, big purple ship (later revealed to be Soverign)), to introduce you to two of your three romance options in the game, and to make you want to kill the big bad, Saren.
Then there were the missions. Rather than eight or nine short, easy missions that always end basically the same way, you got three amazing one's right off the start. Sure, finding Liara doesn't have a whole lot ofdifferent paths it can take, but that wasn't the point. She's pretty easily the most important crew member in the trilogy, and simply recruiting her MORE than warranted a mission all to itself.
Then Noveria and Feros? Holy ****! Those were better than any mission you play at any point in either ME2 OR ME3. Noveria had such a creepy feel to it with the Rachni. And you got to make a choice that actually had HUGE potential to impact the galaxy. Or it did. But the "Story" department kind of got hung out to dry when EA got their grubby little hands all over the series. Not saying it was EA's fault, but the problems started happening about when they arrived.
Also, Noveria had some interesting, problem solving objectives, as well as some fun side quests with multiple possible conclusions (in a side quest!!!!!!) and added a spark of life to the world around you.
And Feros... do I even need to get into this. Feros was creepy too, first of all. With everyone acting weird, and the Thorian doing its thing... it was pure awesomeness. Bioware did Mass Effect a huge disservice by not bringing up more in the following games about Feros, barely mentioning it at all. Maybe through studying the Throian's ability to control people, a cure for Reaper indoctrination could have been found? Wasted opportunity. Also, Shepard gets to be a total badass during this mission. Wait, Shepard is always a total badass in Mass Effect. Not like in ME3, where the god-child makes Shepard a little **** who has to go all emo and commit suicide to save the galaxy. Or sure, Shepard can refuse, but then everyone dies. Lame. No thanks. Try again.
To get to the point. BIOWARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You fell short of Mass Effect's greatness with ME2, but you completely ruined the series with ME3. Well done (slow, sarcastic clap). Mass Effect was my favorite game for more then three years. I can't even play the first one anyore though. Not because I don't like it anymore. I still love it. Mass Effect is amazing! But now that I know how it ends... just no. No. I can't go through all that again, fall in love with the world you created, the characters you brought to life, just to have you stamp it all down into the **** heap in ME3. Not going to happen.
TL;DR You lazy gits... yes, ME3 ruined Mass Effect. Hell, ME3 is not even worthy of being called "Mass Effect". Compared to the original, its a complete disgrace.
Bioware, I believe that you can deliver with Dragon Age 3. I really do. You've made great RPGs in the past. Please, cut the crap, stop with the bull****, and do it again. No more of this 'reaching out for casuals' crap. Trust me, if people play DA3, and they like it enough, then they might play DA:O and DA2 without you having to lower the relative intelligence of your game from "human" to "house plant".
Make Dragon Age 3 like Mass Effect or Dragon Age: Origins. Make it a TRUE RPG. Not some ****ty hybrid like DA2, or ME3. I exclude ME2 from the descriptor of being "****ty," because even though it wasn't as good as Mass Effect, it was still fun to play. Both DA:O and Mass Effect were miles better.
I don't know, maybe they just want to make games that don't really fit into a genre, and instead kind of take little bits from everything. But there's an old saying. "A jack of all trades is a master of none." I'd rather have an incredible RPG experience that isn't a great shooter, than a 'pretty good' RPG with great third person shooter mechanics.
/endrant
******************** I expect some of the people who support ME3's ending and Bioware's "artistic integrity" to flame me, troll me, or be sarcastic. Don't bother. I wont be coming back to this thread. I respect, but disagree with, your opinions. That is all.
Modifié par PPF65, 28 août 2012 - 10:10 .
#228
Posté 28 août 2012 - 10:16
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I just pretend ME3 never existed and I feel satisfy with the 1 first one and can live with the second...
But, yes, it has ruined my fun to play anymore ME.
JPr out!
But, yes, it has ruined my fun to play anymore ME.
JPr out!
#229
Posté 28 août 2012 - 10:22
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I'll answer the question directly. ME3 didn't, but the last 10 minutes of ME3 ruined ME3 for me. Let me explain. Perhaps you'll understand why I feel the way I do, and why I'm still angry, although that's been replaced by sarcasm.
I've been gaming for longer than the people who wrote the series have been alive. That's a scary thought. In Mass Effect they created a universe that was so engrossing it was the first time I felt so connected to the protagonist that I actually was able to and did put part of myself into the character. That was a big mistake. Commander Shepard was part of me through the first two installments, at least on my "canon" playthrough, which was my first playthrough of ME3. I always do the "canon" playthrough first because it is the most honest with the least metagaming -- no strategy guides, no spoilers, very little manipulation of the game (little gaming the system).
I've watched Smudboy's critiques and he says Shepard is a brick with no feelings. Well that's perhaps because Smudboy needs to be told when to feel. I don't. See when I was going through the story, even though parts were very clunky, I didn't need to be told how to feel because I did feel. I was there. I don't have kids running around the house distracting me or pets jumping up on my lap distracting me. I was there with Ash and Kaiden on Virmire. That was a hard choice. I saved Kaiden. I didn't know what was going to happen with Wrex. I didn't have the choices to talk him down, so I had to shoot him. Not fun, but he had gotten dangerous and we had to move on with the mission.
Going through ME3 and now being told when to feel felt different, but there were places where it was still very immersive, and it felt that way through most of the story, but then in those last 10 minutes Mac Walters broke my heart.
I was forced to choose between going against everything I'd fought against to spare EDI and the Geth and die in the process (both Control and Synthesis), or destroy the reapers, the Geth and EDI and end up taking a breath in a pile of garbage -- just to end the game. That was a big middle finger to me, and with the EC, my canon Shepard is still laying in that pile of garbage.
This is not how the story like this is supposed to end. This is unforgivable.
I will say this... If EA forces Bioware to make a Mass Effect 4 with Commander Shepard in a sequel to Mass Effect 3 I will buy it just to spite Mac Walters and Casey Hudson.
I've been gaming for longer than the people who wrote the series have been alive. That's a scary thought. In Mass Effect they created a universe that was so engrossing it was the first time I felt so connected to the protagonist that I actually was able to and did put part of myself into the character. That was a big mistake. Commander Shepard was part of me through the first two installments, at least on my "canon" playthrough, which was my first playthrough of ME3. I always do the "canon" playthrough first because it is the most honest with the least metagaming -- no strategy guides, no spoilers, very little manipulation of the game (little gaming the system).
I've watched Smudboy's critiques and he says Shepard is a brick with no feelings. Well that's perhaps because Smudboy needs to be told when to feel. I don't. See when I was going through the story, even though parts were very clunky, I didn't need to be told how to feel because I did feel. I was there. I don't have kids running around the house distracting me or pets jumping up on my lap distracting me. I was there with Ash and Kaiden on Virmire. That was a hard choice. I saved Kaiden. I didn't know what was going to happen with Wrex. I didn't have the choices to talk him down, so I had to shoot him. Not fun, but he had gotten dangerous and we had to move on with the mission.
Going through ME3 and now being told when to feel felt different, but there were places where it was still very immersive, and it felt that way through most of the story, but then in those last 10 minutes Mac Walters broke my heart.
I was forced to choose between going against everything I'd fought against to spare EDI and the Geth and die in the process (both Control and Synthesis), or destroy the reapers, the Geth and EDI and end up taking a breath in a pile of garbage -- just to end the game. That was a big middle finger to me, and with the EC, my canon Shepard is still laying in that pile of garbage.
This is not how the story like this is supposed to end. This is unforgivable.
I will say this... If EA forces Bioware to make a Mass Effect 4 with Commander Shepard in a sequel to Mass Effect 3 I will buy it just to spite Mac Walters and Casey Hudson.
Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 28 août 2012 - 10:24 .
#232
Posté 28 août 2012 - 11:18
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It very nearly did. After playing through both ME2 and ME3 since originally beating ME3, though, I've decided it's not really a trilogy.
ME1 and ME2 are great, and I'm still waiting for the conclusion to the story they set up. ME3 ignores so much of what ME2 laid down especially that it feels like they haven't actually released the real third game yet, sometimes.
ME3 has some good parts (Tuchanka, Rannoch), but the rest of it really feels like it doesn't belong.
ME1 and ME2 are great, and I'm still waiting for the conclusion to the story they set up. ME3 ignores so much of what ME2 laid down especially that it feels like they haven't actually released the real third game yet, sometimes.
ME3 has some good parts (Tuchanka, Rannoch), but the rest of it really feels like it doesn't belong.
#233
Posté 28 août 2012 - 11:19
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For my brother, yes. He goes on, and on, and on, about how horrible ME3 is anytime I play one of the trilogy games.
For me, no. I'm on my second full trilogy play through since ME3 and I honestly still like everything as much as before. Of course, I do realize that there are an absolute ton of mistakes in the third game, and I would've done a lot differently, but I realize what's done is done. I'm going to try to enjoy the time with my Shepards anyway, because every moment I have with them is special, even when their demise is a little bit on the fantasy side.
No I'm not being submissive to BioWare. I was unbearably angry at first. I've just gotten over most of it. You know, I'd rather enjoy the game for what it is and play it, than be angry and tantrum-filled and miss out on the good parts of the last game. So, no, it didn't ruin the trilogy for me.
For me, no. I'm on my second full trilogy play through since ME3 and I honestly still like everything as much as before. Of course, I do realize that there are an absolute ton of mistakes in the third game, and I would've done a lot differently, but I realize what's done is done. I'm going to try to enjoy the time with my Shepards anyway, because every moment I have with them is special, even when their demise is a little bit on the fantasy side.
No I'm not being submissive to BioWare. I was unbearably angry at first. I've just gotten over most of it. You know, I'd rather enjoy the game for what it is and play it, than be angry and tantrum-filled and miss out on the good parts of the last game. So, no, it didn't ruin the trilogy for me.
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#234
Posté 28 août 2012 - 11:20
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dreaming_raithe wrote...
It very nearly did. After playing through both ME2 and ME3 since originally beating ME3, though, I've decided it's not really a trilogy.
ME1 and ME2 are great, and I'm still waiting for the conclusion to the story they set up. ME3 ignores so much of what ME2 laid down especially that it feels like they haven't actually released the real third game yet, sometimes.
ME3 has some good parts (Tuchanka, Rannoch), but the rest of it really feels like it doesn't belong.
Its funny - but I feel like the three games are not part of the same trilogy.
I love ME1 and that is still my favourite game (of all time) - but ME2 is good - and ME3 is good with some great moments - but all three feel disconnected personally.
#235
Posté 28 août 2012 - 11:23
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Yes. Totally ruined it. I can't even play other games, as everything point the reaper invasion, and we all know how stupid it was, so I can't take the game seriously now.
#236
Posté 28 août 2012 - 11:44
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No,
It was great, not the best game ever, but still great.
It was great, not the best game ever, but still great.
#239
Posté 28 août 2012 - 12:12
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Not at all, i even appreciated the ending, but even more so after the extended scenes were added. I Played through ME 1 twice, ME 2 6 times and have only so far completed ME 3 twice, gonna wait for some more dlc bfore i play it again.
#240
Posté 28 août 2012 - 03:14
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Yes and no.
After ME3 I have been completely unable to start any games from the trilogy. Not even ME1, my most favorite out of the three. My passion just seems to have been deflated immensely.
However I still have my good memories that the series gave me up until Me3, so I can't say it was "ruined" per se...
After ME3 I have been completely unable to start any games from the trilogy. Not even ME1, my most favorite out of the three. My passion just seems to have been deflated immensely.
However I still have my good memories that the series gave me up until Me3, so I can't say it was "ruined" per se...
#241
Posté 28 août 2012 - 03:55
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Nope, I love the Mass Effect series even more now
#243
Posté 28 août 2012 - 04:03
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It's not entirely ruined but badly damaged. I am having a hard time accepting that ME3 is supposed to be the climax of Mass Effect.
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Posté 28 août 2012 - 04:29
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I'm doing my 3rd playthru of ME1, which is my first playthru since ME3 (...and almost done with my 3rd of ME3...held off for LEVIATHAN).
Prior to EC, I just couldn't muster up the desire. EC got me to a point where I WANTED to start from the beginning.
It's interesting to see how much has changed and how much has remained the same.
In ME1, the tone was more about uncovering a mystery and learning about the ME Universe. Definitely a sense of both exploration and learning. I never thought I would say this, but it kinda felt good to get back into the Mako and defy physics. LOL.
It's funny how things that didn't jump out at me in ME now do after ME3. I never paid attention to Tali's comments about synthetics or the quasar credit skimming AI in the Citadel's comments about organics wanting to either destroy or control synthetics. Kind of reassuring to see that the endings were, in a way, foreshadowed. Also, it's something to see how Ceberus' role and prominence evolved from being a shadowy, side mission oriented antagonist to a fully evolved element in the series. These things really make it worth the effort.
Prior to EC, I just couldn't muster up the desire. EC got me to a point where I WANTED to start from the beginning.
It's interesting to see how much has changed and how much has remained the same.
In ME1, the tone was more about uncovering a mystery and learning about the ME Universe. Definitely a sense of both exploration and learning. I never thought I would say this, but it kinda felt good to get back into the Mako and defy physics. LOL.
It's funny how things that didn't jump out at me in ME now do after ME3. I never paid attention to Tali's comments about synthetics or the quasar credit skimming AI in the Citadel's comments about organics wanting to either destroy or control synthetics. Kind of reassuring to see that the endings were, in a way, foreshadowed. Also, it's something to see how Ceberus' role and prominence evolved from being a shadowy, side mission oriented antagonist to a fully evolved element in the series. These things really make it worth the effort.
#245
Posté 28 août 2012 - 04:32
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Absolutely, yes. ME3 was so poorly designed that it made me feel like nothing I did in the first two games mattered at all.
