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[Shepard108278]

nevar00 wrote...

Yes, it was a mediocre game with awful writing. It's not exactly an amazing trilogy if the ending (the entire third part of the trilogy) is bad.

I played through ME 1 and 2 seven or so times each, just to see the affects in ME 3. I've played ME 3 through once and a half, then got bored. The changes are miniscule (Shepard's background missions), nonexistent (the Collector Base) or just horrifically stupid (Rachni). No matter what the gameplay is very linear and gets dull quick. There are almost no sidequests, and the writing is just appalling: the Crucible existing out of nowhere and the plan to build it, Cerberus having unlimited resources, Udina and Legion and other characters suddenly acting out-of-place and out-of-character, the ending, etc. It's just a big disappointment.

I can still play through Mass Effect 1 and 2, because they're good games. The promise of consequences was wasted though, and the gameplay and writing was sacrificed for lazy shortcuts and dumbing the game down to appeal to a broader audience.

I don't agree at all. There are IMO signifigant chnages and consequences from the previous games and signifigant differences in ME 3 based on decisions you make in ME 3. I don't see any of your issues especially the dumbing down. ME 3 was an amazing end to a great series.

[The_Other_M]

Yeah, pretty much.

Granted, there were a few gems in that turd: those personal character moments with your crew, like Liara's time-capsule, shooting bottles with Garrus, drunk Tali, Grunt kicking all-known Rachni a**, EDI joking about forgetting to recycle the oxygen, any scene with Mordin, etc. And lets not forget Priority:Tucanka, Priority:Rannoch, and the N7 Mission: Grissom Academy.

BUT....

No Court Martial, the retconning your Council pick, some of your actions/decisions from previous games being ignored or invalidated, completely pissing away any advantage that "The Arrival" supposedly granted you, only 1 hub world, sidelining practically all your ME2 squadmates(I understand sitting-out a few of them, but NOT all of them), non-cinematic/interactive conversations with your squadmates (i.e. drunk Tali, the Garrus and Tali hook-up, etc.), the neutered Dialog wheel, far fewer Paragon/Renegade interrupts, the lack-luster side-quests, StarBrat, the magic "Off-Button" for the Reapers, the Endings, etc.

Those things drastically bring down the overall experience for me.

Modifié par The_Other_M, 28 août 2012 - 02:02 .

[Shepard108278]

The_Other_M wrote...

Yeah, pretty much.

Granted, there were a few gems in that turd: those personal character moments with your crew, like Liara's time-capsule, shooting bottles with Garrus, drunk Tali, Grunt kicking all-known Rachni a**, EDI joking about forgetting to recycle the oxygen, any scene with Mordin, etc.

BUT....

No Court Martial, the retconning your Council pick, some of your actions/decisions from previous games being ignored or invalidated, completely pissing away any advantage that "The Arrival" supposedly granted you, only 1 hub world, sidelining practically all your ME2 squadmates(I understand sitting-out a few of them, but NOT all of them), non-cinematic/interactive conversations with your squadmates (i.e. drunk Tali, the Garrus and Tali hook-up, etc.), the neutered Dialog wheel, far fewer Paragon/Renegade interrupts, the lack-luster side-quests, StarBrat, the magic "Off-Button" for the Reapers, the Endings, etc.

Those things drastically bring down the overall experience for me.

The only thing I agree with is the counciler thing but IMO thats minor.

[The_Other_M]

Shepard108278 wrote...

The_Other_M wrote...

Yeah, pretty much.

Granted, there were a few gems in that turd: those personal character moments with your crew, like Liara's time-capsule, shooting bottles with Garrus, drunk Tali, Grunt kicking all-known Rachni a**, EDI joking about forgetting to recycle the oxygen, any scene with Mordin, etc.

BUT....

No Court Martial, the retconning your Council pick, some of your actions/decisions from previous games being ignored or invalidated, completely pissing away any advantage that "The Arrival" supposedly granted you, only 1 hub world, sidelining practically all your ME2 squadmates(I understand sitting-out a few of them, but NOT all of them), non-cinematic/interactive conversations with your squadmates (i.e. drunk Tali, the Garrus and Tali hook-up, etc.), the neutered Dialog wheel, far fewer Paragon/Renegade interrupts, the lack-luster side-quests, StarBrat, the magic "Off-Button" for the Reapers, the Endings, etc.

Those things drastically bring down the overall experience for me.

The only thing I agree with is the counciler thing but IMO thats minor.

Don't care what you think, I'm only stating what I think.
And I think ME3 is a pretty mediocre game overall.

[Nragedreaper]

No. I still love the characters and the universe. I still play ME1 and ME2, Multiplayer on 3 occasionally. I am disappointed in the franchise, but I won't say it's ruined...too much good came out of the experience.

Just close your eyes and imagine what could have been.

[Moirai]

If I had to pick a single non-ending choice related thing from ME3 that annoyed me the most, it was the way the hijack of the Citadel by the Reapers was handled.

The Citadel was a core gameplay/story component in all three games. You spend a significant amount of time there, talking to people, meeting future team mates, assisting people and getting to know them.

And yet, when the Citadel is grabbed by the Reapers and taken to Earth towards the end of ME3, not one person inquires after the fate of the millions of residents and workers or the thousands of refugees on board it. Nobody.

I would have honestly expected some kind of verbal exchange to take place that touched on that. Even a:

Shepard: "Admiral, do we know how many people escaped from the Citadel before the Reapers took possession of it?"
Hackett: "I'm afraid not, Commander. Most of what we've managed to learn is downright sketchy at best. Some ships appear to have gotten clear, but we have no firm numbers as yet. As for those who didn't get away..? Well, we all know how the Reapers operate. It can't be good."
Shepard: "Dear god..."

Even that would have been somewhat acceptable, rather than the way the game just overlooked the consequences of such a terrible event without breaking step once.

Guess Bioware were just too busy trying to herd us towards that kickass final battle...er, I mean, pick-a-colour room, and didn't want us to get too distracted... "Oh, the people on the Citadel..? Ah, all dead. Get over it and move on. Game's almost over anyway."

Sloppy...

[Gogzilla]

It is still an awesome game

[Yakko77]

There were parts of it that were absolutely epic like the Tuchanka missions and then there were parts which were absolute fail like Star Brat and circular logic. Mass Effect 3 is very much a love-hate exercise for me. Mass Effect 1 however was total win. Even the excessive Mako driving parts gave the game a sense of exploration. Mass Effect 1 was and likely will always be my all time favorite game on xbox360. I've played many other games multiple times but NONE as many as ME1.

[Kia Purity]

It did for me. I've never seen something that bad like ME3's ending to totally murder the replay value of THE PREVIOUS GAMES on top of its own replay value.

Talk about burn and run. o.O

I hate that a great series got brought down so hard like this.

It's still going to take me a long while before I can get really back into the games again. Hell, I'd need a complete memory wipe of ME3's ending.

[DadeLeviathan]

It didn't ruin the trilogy for me, but it really soured my taste of anything ME related. Will I play through the entire trilogy at some point? yes. The first game still ranks in my "best of all time" list, and the second and third, despite flaws (and the horrid ending of 3) are still good games. But right now, the ending of ME3 and the rest of the flaws of the game have just made it so I have no urge to play anything ME related right now.

[MassEffect762]

Imo ME2s story and game play direction put a big dent in the series for me.

Imo ME3s overall story and ending buried my confidence in what once was Bioware.

Thanks EA!  (sarcasm)

Modifié par MassEffect762, 28 août 2012 - 05:53 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

Yes. The ending ruined all three games, because of its illogical nature. It feels the game cannot be won and that your decisions do not matter in the end. They are reduced to abstract numbers and most story lines play out the same, with those who died replaced by others. To me the game ends once Marauder Shields is shot.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 28 août 2012 - 05:54 .

[AresKeith]

its not a trilogy if ME3 is the best place to start

[Cobretti ftw]

grey_wind wrote...

It only ruins the triolgy for me if I accept ME3 as canon, which I don't.

This

[Yakko77]

Kia Purity wrote...

It did for me. I've never seen something that bad like ME3's ending to totally murder the replay value of THE PREVIOUS GAMES on top of its own replay value.

Talk about burn and run. o.O

I hate that a great series got brought down so hard like this.

It's still going to take me a long while before I can get really back into the games again. Hell, I'd need a complete memory wipe of ME3's ending.

I actually traded in ME1&2... something I NEVER thought I'd do, especially with ME1 which I played at least a dozen times over. I've traded many games over the years but never did I feel a sense of sadness like I did when selling Mass Effect 1.  I loved that game.  It was absolutely epic.  But knowing how ME3 ends.... I couldn't bring myself to play it again.  That's how bad the ME3 ending(s) were for me.  I say that not as a hater but as someone who absolutely loved that game and I regard my first play through as my most epic and memorable gaming experiences ever.  I literally almosy jumped up and shouted for joy when my femgineer came running over the wreckage victorious in ME1.  Not only was the game experience as whole one of absolute joy but the end was absolutely fantastic.  How BW went from something so amazng with the end of ME1 to the disaster of ME3 (even with EC) is mind boggling to say the least.  Again, my dissatisfaction with the ME3 ending doesn't come from hatred but from my absolute love of what the series once was.

[JSwisha]

Ruined is not a strong enough word, but yes, it ****ing ruined the series for me. ME1 and ME2 are still brilliant, but I just do not have the urge to play them again after ME3.

[JSwisha]

Double post.

Modifié par JSwisha, 28 août 2012 - 06:09 .

[djspectre]

 

Yakko77 wrote...

Kia Purity wrote...

It did for me. I've never seen something that bad like ME3's ending to totally murder the replay value of THE PREVIOUS GAMES on top of its own replay value.

Talk about burn and run. o.O

I hate that a great series got brought down so hard like this.

It's still going to take me a long while before I can get really back into the games again. Hell, I'd need a complete memory wipe of ME3's ending.

I actually traded in ME1&2... something I NEVER thought I'd do, especially with ME1 which I played at least a dozen times over. I've traded many games over the years but never did I feel a sense of sadness like I did when selling Mass Effect 1.  I loved that game.  It was absolutely epic.  But knowing how ME3 ends.... I couldn't bring myself to play it again.  That's how bad the ME3 ending(s) were for me.  I say that not as a hater but as someone who absolutely loved that game and I regard my first play through as my most epic and memorable gaming experiences ever.  I literally almosy jumped up and shouted for joy when my femgineer came running over the wreckage victorious in ME1.  Not only was the game experience as whole one of absolute joy but the end was absolutely fantastic.  How BW went from something so amazng with the end of ME1 to the disaster of ME3 (even with EC) is mind boggling to say the least.  Again, my dissatisfaction with the ME3 ending doesn't come from hatred but from my absolute love of what the series once was.

 

Kia Purity wrote...

It did for me. I've never seen something that bad like ME3's ending to totally murder the replay value of THE PREVIOUS GAMES on top of its own replay value.

Talk about burn and run. o.O

I hate that a great series got brought down so hard like this.

It's still going to take me a long while before I can get really back into the games again. Hell, I'd need a complete memory wipe of ME3's ending.

I never said anything about the endings....why do so many people like you refuse to read my post....I explicitly said "not to do with the endings". I am talking about all the other material up to and including the London missions, but nothing after that. 

Modifié par djspectre, 28 août 2012 - 06:09 .

[N7 Banshee Bait]

 Nope!  Coming here & seeing all the babies crying about the endings non-stop ruined it for me.   I've never seen such a bunch of big babies in my life.  The Star Wars fans were nowhere near as bad over Greedo shooting first or Jar Jar.  This board is beyond pathetic! It's unfortunate that Mass Effect got stuck with such a crappy fanbase. Mass Effect deserves better fans!

Modifié par Steelgrave, 28 août 2012 - 06:18 .

[SovereignWillReturn]

Me3 Took whatever ME was, and threw it out the window.
-No choices actually affect core gameplay.
-Minor characters are deleted and unused
-story condradicts and retcons itself so many times
-Cerberus going full Derp.
-Going from RPG with meaningful diolouge, to fan-service 3rd-person shooter with upgrades.

Honestly, The only things that saved this game were multiplayer, Garrus, and The Krogan/Qurian arcs.

[ufc345]

No. Just makes me want more.

[Yakko77]

djspectre wrote...

I never said anything about the endings....why do so many people like you refuse to read my post....I explicitly said "not to do with the endings". I am talking about all the other material up to and including the London missions, but nothing after that. 

Well, there's a lot more wrong with the game than just the endings though that was the final nail in the coffin for many.  Councilor Udina going off the deep end came out of no where and writing off Anderson as Councilor.  Legion betraying everything he strived for in ME2 by using Reaper tech the moment the Quarians attacked.  Cerberus going from rogue organization of questionable moral and ethical behavior to full blown evil in the space of a few game months.  Hardly using ME2 squarmates.  The build up in ME2 about Dark Energy and then barely mentioning it in ME3.  etc. etc.  But the disasterous ending is what sticks out most for many fans.  The Tuchanka and Sur'Kesh mission(s) for me at least were the best. I loved the game for that... hated it for other things.

[liggy002]

YES

[HadesDog]

Well I never got to see the poor ending (thank God) because I'd downloaded the Extended Cut by the time I got to the end so....no, it didn't ruin anything for me. I think the entire trilogy has been an absolute masterpiece of gaming to be honest. I chose the destroy ending, so to see Kaidan not put my femshep's name on the memorial wall and that breath at the end...it leaves it wide open for me and I'm proud to say that I'd gladly buy another ME game. I think Shepard's story should end at ME3 though; s/he's had their time and a mention of their progress (or lack thereof) would be enough for me in the next game.

I just want to play as an Asari....really badly! 

Modifié par HadesDog, 28 août 2012 - 09:39 .

[spockjedi]

grey_wind wrote...

It only ruins the triolgy for me if I accept ME3 as canon, which I don't.

Perfect.