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[Stalker]

Jake Boone wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

Thought that would fit here since this thread is about pushing only a very small number of characters while leaving others to rot... another Liara comic is out!

I think she clearly needs even more. How about another DLC BioWare?

So many characters they could explore and they choose Liara again. Why can't we get a comic about how Zaeed started the Blue Suns which culminates with him being betrayed? Or what the VS was doing for two years? How about a comic that goes into greater depth on how Garrus managed assemble his own team and to ****** off three merc groups. Or the story of Samara vs. Nihlus (spelling?).

But no, we get Liara again.

Thing is: I haven't heard anyone, not even the Liaramancers, actually asking for that.
"She uses her resources to find the Prothean artifact" is Liara's plot. How is it more interesting to completely make up an additional arc for this, then telling something people are already eager to know more about?
The "Homeworlds" comics are about the characters' transition from ME2 to 3, so why not take on things people really wondered about:
- Why was the VS promoted?
- How did Jack come to teach students?
- How did Legion get into the hands of Cerberus?
(personally:  - What problems did Miranda have as she were running from her past? )

I mean, these are questions you ask as a fan of ME2 right in the intro of ME3... why not answer questions and close open plots? No, the blue waifu clearly needed the additional attention now... <_<


And no, I am not bashing Liara here. I am criticizing the lack of attention for other characters, while a single alien (which just happens to be that blue lady) is completely put in the spotlight. 

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 29 août 2012 - 10:28 .

[CptData]

Mr Massakka wrote...

Thing is: I haven't heard anyone, not even the Liaramancers, actually asking for that.

*cut*

And no, I am not bashing Liara here. I am criticizing the lack of attention for other characters, while a single blue alien (which just happens to be that blue lady) is completely put in the spotlight. 

From what I got so far, the Liaramancers only are complaining about the fact half of the scenes with romantic undertone are "generic scenes" available to everyone making her romance less meaningful. Well, I heard such statement more than once, but I don't know if EVERY fan of Liara feels that way.

You brought up a lot of important points:

- Why was the VS promoted?
Either BW plans to release two separate comics, one for Kaidan, one for Ashley (I would buy both, by the way!) with their respective stories (which should differ, to make worth buying both!) or they finally grant us a DLC dealing with the VS. Best idea is to revisit Virmire and the VS has his/her special role her - like Liara had in LotSB.
In that case s/he could also explain what s/he did the past two years.

- How did Jack come to teach students?
Not sure here - I think I saw an explanation once. Or was it cut stuff from the leaked files? I dunno.
However, I concur. Jack deserves some more background - from "violent biotic b*tch" to "biotic teacher with light anger issues"? Shepard can solve century old wars, but making Jack soft is hard work ...
I really want to know how things happened.
Also I want to see more of Jack in ME3, not just one mission you even can miss ...
Which screams for a DLC.

- How did Legion get into the hands of Cerberus?
When did Cerberus ... ?
I rather want to see how Legion got into that effed up situation you find him in ME3.

- What problems did Miranda have as she were running from her past?
That, or, if it comes as DLC, a plot that fits to her much better than the ol' and quite boring "Oriana-Plot". If you look back a page you'll see what I'd have love to see for Miranda: a similar meaningful plot like Mordin had - or Legion. Especially since Legion is a pure optional character, he got a sweet treatment by BW in ME3, while Miranda, a mandatory character that almost can't die in ME2, got nearly nothing.
I want more Miri!
And I want her for squad

[Stalker]

CptData wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

Thing is: I haven't heard anyone, not even the Liaramancers, actually asking for that.

*cut*

And no, I am not bashing Liara here. I am criticizing the lack of attention for other characters, while a single blue alien (which just happens to be that blue lady) is completely put in the spotlight. 

From what I got so far, the Liaramancers only are complaining about the fact half of the scenes with romantic undertone are "generic scenes" available to everyone making her romance less meaningful. Well, I heard such statement more than once, but I don't know if EVERY fan of Liara feels that way.

You brought up a lot of important points:

- Why was the VS promoted?
Either BW plans to release two separate comics, one for Kaidan, one for Ashley (I would buy both, by the way!) with their respective stories (which should differ, to make worth buying both!) or they finally grant us a DLC dealing with the VS. Best idea is to revisit Virmire and the VS has his/her special role her - like Liara had in LotSB.
In that case s/he could also explain what s/he did the past two years.

- How did Jack come to teach students?
Not sure here - I think I saw an explanation once. Or was it cut stuff from the leaked files? I dunno.
However, I concur. Jack deserves some more background - from "violent biotic b*tch" to "biotic teacher with light anger issues"? Shepard can solve century old wars, but making Jack soft is hard work ...
I really want to know how things happened.
Also I want to see more of Jack in ME3, not just one mission you even can miss ...
Which screams for a DLC.

- How did Legion get into the hands of Cerberus?
When did Cerberus ... ?
I rather want to see how Legion got into that effed up situation you find him in ME3.

- What problems did Miranda have as she were running from her past?
That, or, if it comes as DLC, a plot that fits to her much better than the ol' and quite boring "Oriana-Plot". If you look back a page you'll see what I'd have love to see for Miranda: a similar meaningful plot like Mordin had - or Legion. Especially since Legion is a pure optional character, he got a sweet treatment by BW in ME3, while Miranda, a mandatory character that almost can't die in ME2, got nearly nothing.
I want more Miri!
And I want her for squad

Oh yes, typo: didn't mean Cerberus with Legion. I meant Reapers of course^^

I'm still all in for the Jack/Miranda DLC of some kind. They just need a connection.

Story of the VS on the other hand is more a format for a comic like Homeworlds.
If not VS, there is still the whole ME2 squad of 11 people waiting to tell their tale.

Expanding on Liara's role is really a waste and just unfair towards many people.

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 29 août 2012 - 10:46 .

[uzivatel]

Asari Consort

[gearseffect]

And people wonder why I am now making my fics even bigger and going all out to give my Shep the finale arch he deserved, the arch we'd been lead to believe we'd be getting since 2006. Not the half @ssed thing we got where all my favorite characters got throw to the wolves and f*cked fans over and then lit our @sses on fire while laughing.


Yeah here
1.Samara
2.Thane
3.Jack (she didn't get shafted as much as others)
4.Wrex (again didn't get shafted)
5.Ashley (Got shafted big time)
6.Zaeed Big Goddamn Hero Massani (Got shafted big time)
7.Anderson (WHY?)

[thearbiter1337]

Mr Massakka wrote...

Thought that would fit here since this thread is about pushing only a very small number of characters while leaving others to rot... another Liara comic is out!

I think she clearly needs even more. How about another DLC BioWare?

What the hell,more Liara 

So we waste more off our stuff on the character who got her own damn DLC  

When their are other characters who had a **** load of potential for a Comic

Kasumi She's the best damn thief in the Galaxy and i want to know what happened to Keiji 
How did he die? What happened to him that made Kasumi so traumatized

Zaeed Co-founder of Blue Suns Nuf said 

Samara She's a Justicar, their HAS to be backstory with that 

Jack We did get a background on what happened in her childhood but i want more to it 

Thane He's one of the best Assassins in the Galaxy and he also tells you about his background which i was interested in

Oh and Legion 

How the **** did he/it get into Reaper hands

Modifié par thearbiter1337, 30 août 2012 - 12:52 .

[Bob the Elcor]

With longing, Emily, where are you?
With crushing depression, and Kasumi, and Jack and Thane and Miranda and Jack and a bunch of other characters, and Jack, and Emily, Jack, Emily, and Jack and Emily, with seriousness, Jack and Emily, I really like them.

Modifié par Bob the Elcor, 30 août 2012 - 02:35 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

Thane and Samara.

[Strelsky]

Kal Reegar.

So much awsomeness... destroyed by in game email

[LanceSolous13]

thearbiter1337 wrote...


Kasumi She's the best damn thief in the Galaxy and i want to know what happened to Keiji 
How did he die? What happened to him that made Kasumi so traumatized

Based on her LM dialogue, Hock bashed open his skull to get the Neural Implants inside his brain. Likely, Kasumi found the body.

[Bob the Elcor]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Thane and Samara.

With cheekiness, and Jack.

[KENNY4753]

 Jack, Legion, Thane, Samara, Grunt, Miranda, Kal'Reegar, Emily Wong, Shiala
and Shepard- yes shepard got the shaft from EAware as much as any other character

Modifié par KENNY4753, 30 août 2012 - 02:48 .

[xbb1024]

Morinth, definitely

[CptData]

KENNY4753 wrote...

 Jack, Legion, Thane, Samara, Grunt, Miranda, Kal'Reegar, Emily Wong, Shiala
and Shepard- yes shepard got the shaft from EAware as much as any other character

Why do I always forget Emily Wong? You missed Giana Parasini, by the way

And it's true about Shepard. In ME1, you could shape him/her freely. You still could do in ME2, 'though his renegade actions felt mostly like some jerk's actions, not like something you'd do if you want your job get done.

And ME3? Either paragon or massive jerk. Plus autodialogue, taking away freedom to decide what Shepard says and what not.

[AustereLemur799]

uzivatel wrote...

Asari Consort

Our favourite reporter, Khalisah, did a smear job on her and forced her to become disreputable and leave the Citadel.

That's if the LotSB vids are to be believed

[AustereLemur799]

Shiala. All that promise came to nothing...

[Rudy Lis]

CptData wrote...


Actually, if I had been a writer of ME3, I would have found a decent plot for every ME2 character - even those I do like less.

That's the difference: you care, they don't - characters are disposable for them.

[AsheraII]

I actually wished some non-squadmembers had would've been promoted to squadmembers. Shiala, Sha'ira, Gianna Parrasini, Aria, Mouse, Anderson, Kirrahe, Bailey, Helena Blake.. Yes, some of them may die along the way. Most of them can possibly survive as well though. And I really would've liked it if seemingly trivial deaths or survivals had had such an impact on the next game. Like it or not, but many people simply don't care whether those side characters die or not. Most players actually just play following some guide these days, playing for optimized results. What gives the most credits, do I get more paragon or renegade points when I pick option X?

So yes, the most interesting things left to rot are the characters on the sidelines, not your squadies. Your squadies all got what was coming to them.

But the split between two games specifically allows the developer to make the optimal result less obvious. What is optimal during the first game could've caused repercussions in the second or third. But that hardly happened.

[corkey sweet]

Every squad member from mass effect 2

[Comsky159]

Kasumi was the only one I really cared about.

I guess if allowed the choice I would have replaced Liara with Samara as well; would have made more sense at any rate.

Modifié par Comsky159, 02 septembre 2012 - 04:30 .

[CptData]

Just replaying ME1.

God damnit, I miss the great character development from ME1, when it comes to Ashley.
I know, Tali lacked a more fleshed out character, her finest moments happen in ME2. But when it comes to other characters, ME1 still did the best job.

[spockjedi]

Harbinger.

Modifié par spockjedi, 02 septembre 2012 - 02:35 .

[grey_wind]

The entire ME2 cast. Hell, even Mordin just becomes a simpler version of himself, more like what the fans wanted him to be. Legion does a complete 180, and the rest of the ME2 team is left to rot. TIM goes full retard, Harbinger is absent, and EDI loses anything that made her original to begin with.

[o Ventus]

Short answer: Everybody from ME2. Serious answer: Miranda.

Make any argument against her you want, but you can't deny that she, arguably more so than any other ME2-introduced character, has the most reason to join Shepard. There is literally no reason why she can't. Need to find Oriana? We have the Shadow Broker, as well as Traynor. On the run from Cerberus? Hop aboard the Normandy, it's only the most advanced ship in the galaxy!

Whoever wrote Shepard's dialogue towards Miranda really made him go full retard here. At least with a handful of other characters he asks them to join and gets shot down. Here, he just lets Miranda go off alone... For no reason at all.

I hate it when people say that they could do a better job than the professionals, but here, I'm inclined to agree with those people. I legitimately do feel that, if given the opportunity, I could write Miranda better in ME3 and it would be far less stupid than what we have now. There is a mountain of wasted potential, and almost all of it is just so obvious that it boggles the mind as to how Bioware managed to miss the mark so badly.

Bioware says they're listening to feedback, so why have they commented on everything besides the dropping of the ME2 cast?

Modifié par o Ventus, 02 septembre 2012 - 09:56 .

[BioWareM0d13]

While I wouldn't have minded seeing Samara in a bigger role, I'm glad that Bioware didn't make her romanceable in ME3. I think that would have ruined her character. Part of what makes Samara so interesting is that she has own ideals, and Shepard isn't changing them. "In another time..another life" shouldn't have meant, "In Mass Effect 3."

Thankfully my two favorite characters (Liara and Garrus) got quite a bit of content in Mass Effect 3. ME2 was the game where one of my favorite characters had to sit on the sidelines.

The character that got the worst treatment was without a doubt, Jacob. He not only potentially cheats on Fem Shep but gets another woman pregnant. His cameo was also short and uninteresting.