658 réponses à ce sujet

[mrdolly]

 I ran into a little problem with cluster grenades. Namely this scene.

The cluster grenades and the following biotic explosion take all but one bar of barriers of the banshee. The calculated damage of cluster grenades and the biotic explosion with this build:

500*(1+0.2+0.3+0.025+0.05+0.1)*1.15*2*1.5 = 2889.5  
damage for grenade against target primed with warp (barrier)

500*(1+0.2+0.3+0.025+0.05+0.1)*1.15*1.5 = 1444.75
damage for grenade against unprimed target (still affected by expose)

1*2889.5 + 2*1444.75 = 5779  if all three grenades hit (barriers)

100*(1+((6+6)-2)*0.15)*1.15*2*3.375*1.5 = 2910.9   
biotic explosion against barriers

5779 + 2910.9 = 8689.9 total damage

But that really shouldn't be enough to take that much barrier of the banshee.

And it isn't a one time thing either, the same thing happens several times in that video.

So my question to the very smart people here is: Did I simply make a mistake somewhere? Or is the visual representation in game wrong? Or is there something really strange going on?

Modifié par mrdolly, 28 décembre 2012 - 08:43 .

[peddroelm]

warp's impact damage which is
250 * 3 * (1 + 0.2 + 0.175) * 0.75 = 773.4375 (774)

added to your original calculated result

8689.9 + 774 = 9,463.9

this is over the 90% mark of a banshee's barriers at 9112.5, even excluding warp DoT

[mrdolly]

Man, I'm such an idiot. The reason I was so confused is that I slipped lines in the enemy health spreadsheet, so I confused armor and barriers of the banshee (I thought the bansheee had 17000 barriers...)

Sorry for bothering you about this, just a stupid reading mistake.

[peddroelm]

MastahDisastah wrote...

I did a frame by frame test to confirm that marksman doesn't speed up the reload animation, if someone is interested I can provide the video link.

Specter was convinced marksman allows for faster reload canceling ... He would "feel" the effect even on the claymore GI..

[Feneckus]

MastahDisastah wrote...

I did a frame by frame test to confirm that marksman doesn't speed up the reload animation, if someone is interested I can provide the video link.

Hmm, it DOES.

I did a frame by frame test as well.

With Marksman it is something like 0.4s faster.

[Cyonan]

I already played around with Marksman in single-player with extremely high and low(as in negative) values and it didn't have any effect on the reload.

It can change the delay before you can reload, but not the reload itself.

Anything other than the global speed variable altering actual reload speeds causes an animation glitch, because nothing but the global speed variable can change the speed of the animation itself. Not even time dilation can do that.

[Feneckus]

Maybe it doesn't affect the reload speed by itself, but I counted the number of frames between two shots : I started when the counter hit zero and stopped when it was back to 1. And there WAS a 0.4s difference.

[Cyonan]

Feneckus wrote...

Maybe it doesn't affect the reload speed by itself, but I counted the number of frames between two shots : I started when the counter hit zero and stopped when it was back to 1. And there WAS a 0.4s difference.

That's just because it increases rate of fire, which reduces the delay before you can begin to reload after the last shot in the clip.

[Feneckus]

Cyonan wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

Maybe it doesn't affect the reload speed by itself, but I counted the number of frames between two shots : I started when the counter hit zero and stopped when it was back to 1. And there WAS a 0.4s difference.

That's just because it increases rate of fire, which reduces the delay before you can begin to reload after the last shot in the clip.

This theoritical stuff is nice and all, but what matters is the time between two shots. So why are we even debating this ? 

[Cyonan]

Feneckus wrote...

This theoritical stuff is nice and all, but what matters is the time between two shots. So why are we even debating this ? 

I suspect it's because we're in a thread devoted to theoretical stuff and game mechanics =P

Also it means that the effect is negligible on any gun with a solid RoF or with a refire time.

[corlist]

Shampoohorn wrote...

Your mission, Numerical Testers, should you choose to accept it... )

Do the drell get DR during their light melee animation?

I've always assumed they did, but Tyhw pointed out to me in another thread that this isn't confirmed or listed anywhere like it is for their dodge (@ 50%). My in game experience would say the answer is yes, but I might just be fooling myself.

Thanks!

Yes. They get similar DR when side and back flipping and during heavy melee.
Data.

Arctican wrote...

There was claim in one of the threads about hidden attributes in powers that the 50% debuff in the Vulnerability evolution of Stasis also works on armor units even if the target can't frozen by Stasis. Just wondering if that could be true.

Armoured targets can take impact damage from stasis but they will not be debuffed. Also, there's a bug with stasis. In-game verbatim: "Increase all damage done to target by 50%. Deal 35% more damage to target before Stasis breaks." Stasis actually only debuffs targets by 35%. It is assumed the numbers were mixed up.
Data.

Jack Crapper wrote...

Not sure if this was asked already, or if others already know the answer to this, but:

If an Armor debuffing power, like Cryo Blast, Snap Freeze, Homing Grenades, etc is applied prior to another defense being dropped, such as shields or barriers. Will the debuff still apply to the armor once that defense is stripped within the debuff's duration?

Yes.
Data.

Flambrose wrote...

I'm wondering if you guys have ever done any tests with Half Blast Nova and Split Homing Grenade (also Hydra ML). Those evolutions are said to reduce the damage to 60%. I'm wondering if this means it reduces the base damage to 60% or gives a flat 40% deduction.. and if it's the former, whether Rank 5 burning damage on homing grenades goes off the modified base damage or the reduced one.

Half blast nova: additive -40%
Split homing grenade: multiplicative *0.6 of base
Fire homing grenade: multiplicative extra 50% bonus over 6s as DoT
Data.

Deerber wrote...

Edit: one thing I'd like to know, for example: does homing with evo5 fire damage + recon blow create a fire explosion? It's pretty hard to tell in the mess recon creates [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

Homing grenade fire damage cannot set up FEs. Recon mine can detonate tech combos.
Data.

I_pity_the_fool wrote...

There are some oddities with the figures for volus shield boost in the power screen of my volus characters.

Looking through the coalesced files, it seems my base shield boost should be 400 shields with 100 shields per second for 3 seconds. But, it seems that when I invest points in power damage for my passive, the amount of shields restored by shield boost goes up as well. Is this a bug? Is it just something that appears in the power screen and not "in real life"?

Also, I've noticed that evolution 6 in rank 6 increases shields boosted by 50%. The power description implies that it gives the volus and his allies 50% damage reduction for 6 seconds as well. (Actually the description is a little unclear - it seems to imply that it's the 50% increase in shields that reduces all damage taken by 50%). Well, if that's true, why would anyone take evolution 5?

Power bonuses can apply to the instant portion of shield boost. It's observed in game and it's probably not a bug.
Power bonuses cannot apply to the DoT portion, which happens 4x a second.
Evo 6 actually provides both DR and increase in shields boosted and yes that makes evo 5 extremely poor in comparison.
Data.

BlackbirdSR-71C wrote...

I've heard claims that the electric shock evolution of SubNet always applies it's 250 base damage per second even to armored targets. Is that true?

The electric field evolution of submission net can only happen on unarmoured targets (the net must be visible).
Data.


This shall be my last post in a while and I will not be returning anytime soon.

Since all of the reasonable tests are done, peddro can now spend more time in fallen enchantress. If you want to get peddro to actually do tests, offer to be a test slave help (get all the necessary powers/builds/equipment and perform all necessary actions while peddro just sits and record numbers) in his tests (if you're on PC) and that normally provides sufficient motivation.

Thanks to the support from other testers, my unfortunate tests slaves and all you people for appreciating what we do. I don't want to seem like I am not grateful for all the thanks I've received so I'd like to take this chance to really thank you guys. Farewell.

[Javo2357]

Really appreciate you guys answering so many questions.

I have one about hard cover...
Does anyone have the exact numbers on how much accuracy/stability and DR bonuses it gives?

[Koenig888]

Thank you, corlist, peddroelmz and Cyonan (and any other testers I may have missed). The information you guys provided have been invaluable.

[UnknownMercenary]

Thanks for all the work you guys have done.

[Heggy]

Thanks to the support from other testers, my unfortunate tests slaves and all you people for appreciating what we do. I don't want to seem like I am not grateful for all the thanks I've received so I'd like to take this chance to really thank you guys. Farewell.

You've done some fabulous work guys. You've had a huge impact on how many people play the game, and improved it to no end (that goes for all the testers and data compilers). Bioware should give you guys money, or a job.
Good work, I wonder will you delve so deeply into your future games.

Modifié par Heggy, 07 janvier 2013 - 10:19 .

[Learn To Love Yourself]

Thank you for your generous work & time, guys. It has been much appreciated, and I hope you enjoy whatever it is you do in the future.

I hope you'll be around to show us what is right and wrong in the future DLC(s).

[Deerber]

corlist wrote...

This shall be my last post in a while and I will not be returning anytime soon.

Since all of the reasonable tests are done, peddro can now spend more time in fallen enchantress. If you want to get peddro to actually do tests, offer to be a test slave help (get all the necessary powers/builds/equipment and perform all necessary actions while peddro just sits and record numbers) in his tests (if you're on PC) and that normally provides sufficient motivation.

Thanks to the support from other testers, my unfortunate tests slaves and all you people for appreciating what we do. I don't want to seem like I am not grateful for all the thanks I've received so I'd like to take this chance to really thank you guys. Farewell.

What? Damn, I missed this.

The time you took to do all these tests sir, is very much appreciated. Thank you for all you did for us gamers. It's sad to see you going away from this community, although sooner or later it happens to everyone I guess. I hope you can find some other game to enjoy as much as you did with this and another community to amuse with your great tests.

Live long and prosper :happy:





That said, I'd like to ask Peddro if he is willing to do a pretty simple test. I'd like to test the Slayer's light melee, if it was not already done. I am totally up for being a test slave and do everything you ask 

[Tybo]

Deerber wrote...

corlist wrote...

This shall be my last post in a while and I will not be returning anytime soon.

Since all of the reasonable tests are done, peddro can now spend more time in fallen enchantress. If you want to get peddro to actually do tests, offer to be a test slave help (get all the necessary powers/builds/equipment and perform all necessary actions while peddro just sits and record numbers) in his tests (if you're on PC) and that normally provides sufficient motivation.

Thanks to the support from other testers, my unfortunate tests slaves and all you people for appreciating what we do. I don't want to seem like I am not grateful for all the thanks I've received so I'd like to take this chance to really thank you guys. Farewell.

What? Damn, I missed this.

The time you took to do all these tests sir, is very much appreciated. Thank you for all you did for us gamers. It's sad to see you going away from this community, although sooner or later it happens to everyone I guess. I hope you can find some other game to enjoy as much as you did with this and another community to amuse with your great tests.

Live long and prosper :happy:





That said, I'd like to ask Peddro if he is willing to do a pretty simple test. I'd like to test the Slayer's light melee, if it was not already done. I am totally up for being a test slave and do everything you ask 

I will *probably* be on later today and can do this.  Anytime someone is motivated enough to volunteer to be a test slave I will do my best to help.  Send me an origin friend request, TyHW, and hopefully we'll be on at the same time at some point soon.

[Deerber]

tyhw wrote...

Deerber wrote...

corlist wrote...

This shall be my last post in a while and I will not be returning anytime soon.

Since all of the reasonable tests are done, peddro can now spend more time in fallen enchantress. If you want to get peddro to actually do tests, offer to be a test slave help (get all the necessary powers/builds/equipment and perform all necessary actions while peddro just sits and record numbers) in his tests (if you're on PC) and that normally provides sufficient motivation.

Thanks to the support from other testers, my unfortunate tests slaves and all you people for appreciating what we do. I don't want to seem like I am not grateful for all the thanks I've received so I'd like to take this chance to really thank you guys. Farewell.

What? Damn, I missed this.

The time you took to do all these tests sir, is very much appreciated. Thank you for all you did for us gamers. It's sad to see you going away from this community, although sooner or later it happens to everyone I guess. I hope you can find some other game to enjoy as much as you did with this and another community to amuse with your great tests.

Live long and prosper :happy:





That said, I'd like to ask Peddro if he is willing to do a pretty simple test. I'd like to test the Slayer's light melee, if it was not already done. I am totally up for being a test slave and do everything you ask 

I will *probably* be on later today and can do this.  Anytime someone is motivated enough to volunteer to be a test slave I will do my best to help.  Send me an origin friend request, TyHW, and hopefully we'll be on at the same time at some point soon.

Uh, my bad, didn't see this. Gonna add you asap 

[Shampoohorn]

corlist wrote...

Shampoohorn wrote...

Your mission, Numerical Testers, should you choose to accept it... )

Do the drell get DR during their light melee animation?

I've always assumed they did, but Tyhw pointed out to me in another thread that this isn't confirmed or listed anywhere like it is for their dodge (@ 50%). My in game experience would say the answer is yes, but I might just be fooling myself.

Thanks!

Yes. They get similar DR when side and back flipping and during heavy melee.
Data.

...


This shall be my last post in a while and I will not be returning anytime soon.

Since all of the reasonable tests are done, peddro can now spend more time in fallen enchantress. If you want to get peddro to actually do tests, offer to be a test slave help (get all the necessary powers/builds/equipment and perform all necessary actions while peddro just sits and record numbers) in his tests (if you're on PC) and that normally provides sufficient motivation.

Thanks to the support from other testers, my unfortunate tests slaves and all you people for appreciating what we do. I don't want to seem like I am not grateful for all the thanks I've received so I'd like to take this chance to really thank you guys. Farewell.

Thanks for confirming the drell DR.

Thanks in general for all the bug and feature testing.  The knowledge you guys have plundered as definitely improved my game experience.