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[Cassandra Saturn]

Draining Dragon wrote...

You aren't supposed to be good at everything. Shepard gets five weapons because he's basically a one-man army, and it takes a toll on your recharge.

yes that's true, but in MP it doesn't have toll on it.

[Dokteur Kill]

superblaze1 wrote...
yes that's true, but in MP it doesn't have toll on it.

Erm. What? 

[Cassandra Saturn]

Dokteur Kill wrote...

superblaze1 wrote...
well try that when you are cornered by 4 Geth Primes when you are just 50 steps away from the ammo crates upstair.

Thermal clip packs! They're not just there for show. 

There are good reasons for why characters might be able to carry more weapons, but running out of ammo isn't one of them.

actually, it is, when you run out of those clip packs, you can't fire, it's empty ammo

[Draining Dragon]

superblaze1 wrote...

Dokteur Kill wrote...

superblaze1 wrote...
well try that when you are cornered by 4 Geth Primes when you are just 50 steps away from the ammo crates upstair.

Thermal clip packs! They're not just there for show. 

There are good reasons for why characters might be able to carry more weapons, but running out of ammo isn't one of them.

actually, it is, when you run out of those clip packs, you can't fire, it's empty ammo

Running out of ammo should not be a problem.

[Dokteur Kill]

Ok, since you have your profile set to private, I don't know how long you are along the unlock tree, but if you've been playing for a while you should have five thermal clip packs to spend per match, and if you regularly spend all those five and still run out of ammo, then I can only say that you're doing it wrong. Pick up your tent and start moving around more.

[Mordred_Moridin]

superblaze1 wrote...

Mordred_Moridin wrote...

Um... More weaps on load out would be cool and all, but not for the reason you listed. The answer to the issue of ammo that you posed is thermal clip packs. Which I really only ever use for the grenade refill. Besides most of these maps are so small that you are never really that far from an ammo crate if you run and gun, and most camp spots have an ammo crate or 2 just a few steps away.

 well try that when you are cornered by 4 Geth Primes when you are just 50 steps away from the ammo crates upstair.

Four Geth Primes close enough to be a threat = nuke worthy situation.  Or if I am out of nukes and have burned through my ammo packs, arc grenade the floor in the middle of the primes so I can run past them upstairs.  There are just so many different ways to handle a situation like that that another weapon will probably not make or break the match.  Sure it would be cool for a specific stagger weapon, a ranged weapon, and a close weapon, but that is really the only reason I can think of to carry more than two weapons.  Usually you don't even need to carry more than one, even on Platinum.

[Cassandra Saturn]

Draining Dragon wrote...

superblaze1 wrote...

Dokteur Kill wrote...

superblaze1 wrote...
well try that when you are cornered by 4 Geth Primes when you are just 50 steps away from the ammo crates upstair.

Thermal clip packs! They're not just there for show. 

There are good reasons for why characters might be able to carry more weapons, but running out of ammo isn't one of them.

actually, it is, when you run out of those clip packs, you can't fire, it's empty ammo

Running out of ammo should not be a problem.

i have good reason it should be. in SP i constantly run out of the ammo when i fight bad guys, i tend to empty it all out on them fast. same happened to me on MP, they were basically like, "dude you just pumped him full of lead"
but yeah, you get the idea.

Edit: oh you mean the clips on left side of Dpad button, i don't use it LOL

Modifié par superblaze1, 27 août 2012 - 01:20 .

[Transairion]

Notice Wrex and Liara are loaded with every weapon invented at the time...



Not even having the option to go over 2 weapons is a slap in the face to good Soldiers everywhere. 4 weapons to 4 weapons + Heavy weapons to 2 weapons and a coupon for a Rocket Launcher use. How far we've fallen...

[BlessedSoldier]

Transairion wrote...

Consoles can only change between more than two weapons on a Pause Screen/Power Wheel/something that requires freezing ingame time.

This isn't available in their multiplayer, as the change weapon key in multiplayer only swaps between the last-used weapons (if there were 3 weapons available, you'd only be able to swap between two).

It's basically a case of something that makes no sense to be without on PC, but because it can't be put in on consoles it can't go on PC either. Maybe someone can explain it better than I can, but we can't have more than 2 weapons in MP because consoles don't have access to something they do in Singleplayer.

Bull****

We also get that special pause time menu on PC except it doesnt pause time at all and leaves us vulnerable. There is no reason the xbox ring and whatever PS3 use could not be implemented the same way and im quite sure it is already.

[r3apz515]

superblaze1 wrote...

cascinova wrote...

Xbox live, and Playstation live (whatever its called on playstation) really limit user bandwidth. They force developers into limit bandwidth usage because they don't want to overtax their networks. That's why other games like BF3 only allow 24 players on the consoles vs 64 on PCs. Adding additional weapons to each player would use up more bandwidth.

Obviously i am only making an educated guess, but i think it is a good one.

 did you hear that BF4 would allow 64 players on consoles (althrough it's just rumor, but not denied by DICE)

back on topic, i think it's probably an online mapping issues me thinks

BF4 64 on consoles? LOL LOL LOL

The game gets  less than 25-barely 30 FPS on a 12 man TDM..... u must be smoking something

unles sthey have it planned to be released with a new console system, which is the only chance it will happen..

BF2 was 64 way b4 the 360 came....so its sad for consoles that are 2 limited.

ME3 is fine with 2 weps on MP...no reason unless they take out the ammo boxes.


IN ME1 characters were allowed several weapons but most of them were on proficient in pistols only or shotgun only...you could train them for other weps but what was teh point.

in ME2 Thermal clips were pretty much scarce and sometimes hard to find and yo run out quick (if you play insanity and not noob casual) so yeah i can see the use of all weapons + heavy.

ME3 is well balanced at how easy its gotten for the 5 year old that play it and cant handle normal.

Modifié par r3apz515, 27 août 2012 - 01:24 .

[Cassandra Saturn]

r3apz515 wrote...

superblaze1 wrote...

cascinova wrote...

Xbox live, and Playstation live (whatever its called on playstation) really limit user bandwidth. They force developers into limit bandwidth usage because they don't want to overtax their networks. That's why other games like BF3 only allow 24 players on the consoles vs 64 on PCs. Adding additional weapons to each player would use up more bandwidth.

Obviously i am only making an educated guess, but i think it is a good one.

 did you hear that BF4 would allow 64 players on consoles (althrough it's just rumor, but not denied by DICE)

back on topic, i think it's probably an online mapping issues me thinks

BF4 64 on consoles? LOL LOL LOL

The game gets  less than 25-barely 30 FPS on a 12 man TDM..... u must be smoking something

unles sthey have it planned to be released with a new console system, which is the only chance it will happen..

BF2 was 64 way b4 the 360 came....so its sad for consoles that are 2 limited.

ME3 is fine with 2 weps on MP...no reason unless they take out the ammo boxes.

Troll.. ^  lol

[r3apz515]

superblaze1 wrote...

r3apz515 wrote...

superblaze1 wrote...

cascinova wrote...

Xbox live, and Playstation live (whatever its called on playstation) really limit user bandwidth. They force developers into limit bandwidth usage because they don't want to overtax their networks. That's why other games like BF3 only allow 24 players on the consoles vs 64 on PCs. Adding additional weapons to each player would use up more bandwidth.

Obviously i am only making an educated guess, but i think it is a good one.

 did you hear that BF4 would allow 64 players on consoles (althrough it's just rumor, but not denied by DICE)

back on topic, i think it's probably an online mapping issues me thinks

BF4 64 on consoles? LOL LOL LOL

The game gets  less than 25-barely 30 FPS on a 12 man TDM..... u must be smoking something

unles sthey have it planned to be released with a new console system, which is the only chance it will happen..

BF2 was 64 way b4 the 360 came....so its sad for consoles that are 2 limited.

ME3 is fine with 2 weps on MP...no reason unless they take out the ammo boxes.

Troll.. ^  lol

wouldnt call it trolling, when those are real life facts. scrub.

[Cassandra Saturn]

aside from that, i believe the weapon limit for 4 should be tested in MP by Bioware team to see if it's possbile without any issues.

[Cassandra Saturn]

r3apz515 wrote...

superblaze1 wrote...

r3apz515 wrote...

superblaze1 wrote...

cascinova wrote...

Xbox live, and Playstation live (whatever its called on playstation) really limit user bandwidth. They force developers into limit bandwidth usage because they don't want to overtax their networks. That's why other games like BF3 only allow 24 players on the consoles vs 64 on PCs. Adding additional weapons to each player would use up more bandwidth.

Obviously i am only making an educated guess, but i think it is a good one.

 did you hear that BF4 would allow 64 players on consoles (althrough it's just rumor, but not denied by DICE)

back on topic, i think it's probably an online mapping issues me thinks

BF4 64 on consoles? LOL LOL LOL

The game gets  less than 25-barely 30 FPS on a 12 man TDM..... u must be smoking something

unles sthey have it planned to be released with a new console system, which is the only chance it will happen..

BF2 was 64 way b4 the 360 came....so its sad for consoles that are 2 limited.

ME3 is fine with 2 weps on MP...no reason unless they take out the ammo boxes.

Troll.. ^  lol

wouldnt call it trolling, when those are real life facts. scrub.

 whoa easy there friend, i'm joking with you on that

[Dokteur Kill]

superblaze1 wrote...
Edit: oh you mean the clips on left side of Dpad button, i don't use it LOL

In that case, it's not really the game that there's a problem with, now is it?

[Cassandra Saturn]

Dokteur Kill wrote...

Ok, since you have your profile set to private

couple of guys asked me to see it i approved it, it is now viewable. feel free to check it out.

[Transairion]

Bull****

We also get that special pause time menu on PC except it doesnt pause time at all and leaves us vulnerable. There is no reason the xbox ring and whatever PS3 use could not be implemented the same way and im quite sure it is already.

We have that in MP sure, by pressing Shift (on my PC at least). But consoles apparently don't have that button or whatever, I've never heard a good excuse as to why, but apparently console people have no button to bring it up in MP.

And what's Lore got to do with the number of weapons we can carry? No matter how specshul Shepard is in Lore, his armor isn't some kind of super-fantastical-Ultra-Rare model, he just bothers to have the option to cart around other weapons.

Most players don't even use two weapons, true. It's their right to do so. But the fact we don't even have the CHOICE to take more than 2, even on classes that had double that in every other game.... yeah so where's the justification again?

Introducing the weight system + taking Soldier Ammo Powers + limiting weapons to 2 max is why MP Soldiers are pretty horrible. I played nothing but Soldiers across 3 games, got to MP then immediatly dumped them after my first few games they're that different from how they used to be.

Destroyer Soldier is what they all should be like, but he's considered Ohpee. Figures.


Note: I will say that wanting  a 3rd weapon (how can you count the Rocket Lancher, it's a consumable item?) just to fall back on isn't a great idea.... there's very few times that you'll ever use up all the ammo from TWO weapons to begin with. Try using the extended mag/clip mods or actually using the

3rd weapons should be available as optional for Soldiers who want to have horrid cooldowns. -200% cooldown Krogan Soldier needs to be good at something...

Modifié par Transairion, 27 août 2012 - 01:35 .

[Mordred_Moridin]

Dokteur Kill wrote...

superblaze1 wrote...
Edit: oh you mean the clips on left side of Dpad button, i don't use it LOL

In that case, it's not really the game that there's a problem with, now is it?

QFE

[Chaoswind]

Hardware limitations on consoles most likely...

Anyways I hardly ever run out of lead on my main gun (unless is my harrier), so maybe you need to comando more and boyscout less.

[Cassandra Saturn]

anyway, we're discussing about weapons addition to MP characters, not ammo

Modifié par superblaze1, 27 août 2012 - 01:38 .

[Nitrocuban]

tbh most chars work best with 1 weapon because of cooldown.
Running out of ammo is almost impossible and in most cases it´s better to run away instead of switching from a SR to a SMG or something.
The only Char that can make good use of two powerful weapons is the Destroyer and even he can cover all needs with 2 weapons (eg Thyphoon + Reegar or Indra + Piranha)

[Transairion]

anyway, we're discussing about weapons addition to MP characters, not ammos

It's only being brought up because part of your arguement for why they should be in the game is because you want something to fall back on if you use up both other weapons ammo. Which is frankly a LOT of ammo to begin with, and refusing to go to an ammo box/not using an clip pack consumable isn't really a good enough excuse.

[Galbrant]

Jesus I'm thinking about playing ME2 again just to see my femshep Soldier haul her Cain and Revenant around her back along with two other Weapons... a walking tank I say,