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darkiddd

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The type of games Bioware tries to create require a completely different vision of the one EA has of the gaming industry. RPGs need planification, a good story, great investment, and real consequences after your choices. All this things revolve around one essential element: time. 

And this is a factor Bioware can't control because their EA overlords put on them constant time sheets and tight deadlines to meet the expectations of their market and shareholders. Trying to maximize every benefit by swinging the lead of the resources spent even if it is at the cost of the game quality and the consumers trust. Then releasing DLCs at the cost of more consumers money to slightly improve a story that is just too flawed and incomplete to be fixed.

Bioware will continue to produce more or less mediocre games like DA2 or ME3 because it is not a problem of "they should have done this or that" or "the writers got this event completely wrong" this are also existing flaws on their last two games but the fundamental problem is how the philosophy of work they have been forced to adapt collides completely with the phylosophy of work that RPGs require. A philosophy that rewards patience, dedication, and amongst all, the underlying idea of "we do this because we want to tell a good story to please fans and get money to create more good stories". And not " we do this because we want to make money, money, money."

Bioware had the first phylosophy of work but at one point of the road they lost their identity and so they also lost the point and central themes of dragon age and mass effect with DA2 and ME3.

Unless Bioware leaves EA or EA is bought by another company with different ideas Bioware will continue to produce mediocre games until one day people won't care anymore. 

Modifié par darkiddd, 27 août 2012 - 02:44 .


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MegaSovereign

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Lemme guess "without your intervention?"

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I sort of agree.
EDIT: Lol @ MegaSovereign's comment

Modifié par Baa Baa, 27 août 2012 - 02:47 .


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Kathleen321

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EA is killing Bioware but when you make a deal with the devil....

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Thank you, professor.

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I don't know how much it has to do with EA.

It has a lot to do with they decided to phone in ME3 and DA2 and take the best people off of those projects for the star wars MMO. Perhaps that was an EA decision, who knows. But wrecking two franchises to help one, that really didn't stand much chance against World of MMO Market Domination for 10 years in the first place, seems silly to me.

Modifié par Justin2k, 27 août 2012 - 02:49 .


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I liked DA2 and parts of ME3. I don't think they are doomed. They do seem to be heading in a slightly different direction with their storytelling. But, that is what companies do, evolve. I think that would have happened even without EA. the direction might have been different is all.

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I never played a BioWare game before ME1 (Bungie is the developer I fanboy over), so I don't have a history with them. But they got my interest with ME1, really wowed me with ME2, and then hit me with a jackhammer with ME3.

I don't plan on pre-ordering anything of theirs anymore...

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I agree. It's a bit obvious now anyway.

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darkiddd wrote...

The type of games Bioware tries to create require a completely different vision of the one EA has of the gaming industry. RPGs need planification, a good story, great investment, and real consequences after your choices. All this things revolve around one essential element: time. 

And this is a factor Bioware can't control because their EA overlords put on them constant time sheets and tight deadlines to meet the expectations of their market and shareholders. Trying to maximize every benefit by swinging the lead of the resources spent even if it is at the cost of the game quality and the consumers trust. Then releasing DLCs at the cost of more consumers money to slightly improve a story that is just too flawed and incomplete to be fixed.

Bioware will continue to produce more or less mediocre games like DA2 or ME3 because it is not a problem of "they should have done this or that" or "the writers got this event completely wrong" this are also existing flaws on their last two games but the fundamental problem is how the philosophy of work they have been forced to adapt collides completely with the phylosophy of work that RPGs require. A philosophy that rewards patience, dedication, and amongst all, the underlying idea of "we do this because we want to tell a good story to please fans and get money to create more good stories". And not " we do this because we want to make money, money, money."

Bioware had the first phylosophy of work but at one point of the road they lost their identity and so they also lost the point and central themes of dragon age and mass effect with DA2 and ME3.

Unless Bioware leaves EA or EA is bought by another company with different ideas Bioware will continue to produce mediocre games until one day people won't care anymore. 


As someone who dabbles in game making, I can confirm RPG style games take WAY more time then scripting linear games.

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They're fine to take a different direction in future games.
They are wrong to take a different direction with already existing franchises.

They mis-sold ME3 to a lot of people.  People who have played the first two games were expecting an RPG.  They got a dialogue driven shooter.

Bioware knew they could rely on fans sales, so they sold out their fans and tried to reach for a new market.  Thats what it comes down to.  They know they have your pre-order, so they'll make a game for people who do not have a pre-order.

This only works a few times.  Then the original pre-orderer stops pre-ordering.

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EA Edmonton will rise out the ashes of Bioware to make bland RPG type games like Dragon Effect 3, i still have a sliver of hope that Bioware can make a miraculous come back with it's next game

Modifié par spinachdiaper, 27 août 2012 - 02:55 .


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I don't believe they are doomed. To a certain extent they are more restricted than before in terms of the specifics of a game they can produce, but that has more to do with the way the industry as evolved - specifically the extreme rising costs of development necessitating very little risk taking or diverse gameplay.

The best example was the dialogue wheel being forced into DA2 when DA Origins' dialogue system was already excellent; it was clear they thought that since ME was so popular and had the wheel it would make DA more popular.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 27 août 2012 - 03:00 .


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ITT: OP invents the word "planification"

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They have moved around the publishers before, they might be able to do that again...unless they are bound by a horrible contract, and get dissolved into EA like Westwood studios.

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Outamyhead wrote...

They have moved around the publishers before, they might be able to do that again...unless they are bound by a horrible contract, and get dissolved into EA like Westwood studios.


BioWare is EA now. They aren't a separate company contracted by the publisher.

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bioware it IS doomed or atleats is going downhill from a path that is filled with suffering and confusion!
TURN TO THE LIGHTSIDE!

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Hackulator wrote...

ITT: OP invents the word "planification"


English isn't my first language. I must have mistaken what I meant with the spanish or french word.

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Doomed!

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CronoDragoon

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darkiddd wrote...
 RPGs need planification, a good story, great investment, and real consequences after your choices. All this things revolve around one essential element: time.


Good story is subjective. Besides the ending I thought ME3 had a great story. Not sure what you mean by great investment, but this game absolutely had real consequences for your choices.

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Bioware is a namesake now not an individual company, hey it could be worse the EA part of the company could of been like lets turn Mass Effect into Madden Effect and made a yearly port out of this franchise that would of ruined the....

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In before the lock.

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Urdnot Amenark wrote...

In before the lock.


You're right, they'll lock it. Although that doesn't mean what I wrote isn't true.

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darkiddd wrote...

Hackulator wrote...

ITT: OP invents the word "planification"


English isn't my first language. I must have mistaken what I meant with the spanish or french word.


Actually, considering that fact its a pretty apt construction, but you would just use the word "planning". Your english is quite good btw.

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Remember Westwood is all I'm going to say on this matter.