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[steverw1975]

whatsdafus wrote...

Snoopy1955 wrote...

Astronaughte wrote...

Someone was playin hookie in kindergarten. Lemme get you up to speed, everybodies different you just have to deal with it. capitalize on it. Besides if they're holed up more kills for you right

Did you know campers were the first to go in **** Germany?

Actually, as the World Wars saw the dawn of trench warfare, one might say that most soldiers in them were campers as they dug cover that they could use and then shot at other people who had dug cover that they could use.


Did you know that the British who were stuck in the old mindset of not taking cover and just sending a line of guys up against another line of guys lost a whole lot of battles against the americans who had learned from the natives that hiding behind trees and then shooting people tended to be a very good strategy against people who didn't take cover?

wow... using ww1 tactics.....

im sure they worked well in ww2 or even today

Maybe, maybe not. They certainly work in ME3 mp, however, and that's what has some players acting all butthurt. They view themselves as elite, and can't stand that "lesser" players can be every bit as successful as they are. Personally, I think they just need to grow up and deal with it. They play how they want, and others can play how they want. There is no one right or wrong strategy/build/etc. There's only what works for you.

[EloreRainbrought]

Does the map shows 4 personal vs 10 platoon of well arm army?

[steverw1975]

Star fury wrote...

To all of you who compare fbw/glacier camping with real life warfare. This is what happens in reality, when one side just defends passively.

Your argument contains one fatal flaw. Campers aren't "defending passively". They're luring the enemy into an ambush, and raining down fire on them as soon as they enter the kill box. Huge difference between that and trying to string out your troops in a vain effort to defend a huge front. In that case, you give the initiative to the attacker. They can pick their point of attack and the ground they wish to fight on, while the defender is left rushing to move troops into position in the combat zone. Campers, on the other hand, pick the battle ground, are dug in behind cover, and know where the enemy will be while the enemy is forced to scout out their position. So, campers have even more initiative than the attackers in the scenario you're discussing.

[EloreRainbrought]

And this map is not a scenario of 4 personal vs 10 platoon (WAVE)

[ReverendBeast]

Okay, I have not been playing that long... BUT... I learned the game from players with N7's of 10K+ and 9K+... All we play is platinum AND complete 85-90% of matches... I can't see how running around with 4 players can take out 4 Banshees, 2 GP's, and the assorted RT and pyros.(we always play Geth enemy). We play the roving teams if we choose to play silver so we can level up a recently promoted character... BUT the serious runs require "camping" we call it shooting from a defensive position with cover. To each his own playing style I guess,,,, But a roving squad on FBW at platinum with Geth enemies? Has not worked once for me...

[ReverendBeast]

steverw1975 wrote...

Star fury wrote...

To all of you who compare fbw/glacier camping with real life warfare. This is what happens in reality, when one side just defends passively.

Your argument contains one fatal flaw. Campers aren't "defending passively". They're luring the enemy into an ambush, and raining down fire on them as soon as they enter the kill box. Huge difference between that and trying to string out your troops in a vain effort to defend a huge front. In that case, you give the initiative to the attacker. They can pick their point of attack and the ground they wish to fight on, while the defender is left rushing to move troops into position in the combat zone. Campers, on the other hand, pick the battle ground, are dug in behind cover, and know where the enemy will be while the enemy is forced to scout out their position. So, campers have even more initiative than the attackers in the scenario you're discussing.

  Can't read Russian! Is this a map of the German invasion or the Russian break out?

[Star fury]

steverw1975 wrote...

Star fury wrote...

To all of you who compare fbw/glacier camping with real life warfare. This is what happens in reality, when one side just defends passively.

Your argument contains one fatal flaw. Campers aren't "defending passively". They're luring the enemy into an ambush, and raining down fire on them as soon as they enter the kill box. Huge difference between that and trying to string out your troops in a vain effort to defend a huge front. In that case, you give the initiative to the attacker. They can pick their point of attack and the ground they wish to fight on, while the defender is left rushing to move troops into position in the combat zone. Campers, on the other hand, pick the battle ground, are dug in behind cover, and know where the enemy will be while the enemy is forced to scout out their position. So, campers have even more initiative than the attackers in the scenario you're discussing.

LOL. Campers don't move, they sit in one place, it's an epitome of passive defense. Enemy doesn't flank them, doesn't even try to encircle them. They can't even get past glitched counter. Geth, the most popular enemy of campers don't use grenades. In short, campers are sitting ducks. Anyone who can't see it is blind or just dumb.    

Modifié par Star fury, 27 août 2012 - 11:34 .

[Star fury]

ReverendBeast wrote...

  Can't read Russian! Is this a map of the German invasion or the Russian break out?

This map shows Soviet counter-offensive at Stalingrad in 1942, when hundreds of thousands Germans were encircled and annihilated near and in Stalingrad.
 

[ASmoothCriminalx]

GlassElephant wrote...

I have fun camping with my Demolisher as I spam grenades.

this

[Ladymac9811]

Why make this thread? I'm not about to go running around with a demolisher?? It's a legitimate strategy.

[Najarati]

I'll take an effective camper over a run-and-gun poster child for medigel. Snark aside, I've seen both types of play do well. For me, like most things, it depends on the situation; class also plays into it. As a QFE and QFI I tend to roam around a lot, but if I can hold a line somewhere I will. My Demolisher does better camping, but I'll be right up there in the thick of it doing objectives when the time comes.

Modifié par Najarati, 27 août 2012 - 11:32 .

[ASmoothCriminalx]

ReverendBeast wrote...

 I can't see how running around with 4 players can take out 4 Banshees

Did you mod your credit income too? or did you just allow 4 Banshees to spawn at once?

Modifié par ASmoothCriminalx, 27 août 2012 - 11:33 .

[Oz not Ozzy]

“He who is prudent and lies in wait for an enemy who is not, will be victorious.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

[mbergeron468]

Why not run around yourself while your team camps? It can work just fine and you get to enjoy running and gunning.

[ReverendBeast]

Star fury wrote...

ReverendBeast wrote...

  Can't read Russian! Is this a map of the German invasion or the Russian break out?

This map shows Soviet counter-offensive at Stalingrad in 1942, when hundreds of thousands Germans were encircled and annihilated near and in Stalingrad.
 

  Uh okay...  You realize this happened after the Germans had all their logistic chains severed right?  Plus the germans did not have Biotic Powers and could not revive fallen soilders by smashng the A button...  I think trying to bring in anything but a few highly limited small squad tactics into this game is a bit of a stretch don't you?  I mean I can't even call in arty or air support. 

[bogsters23]

 ReverendBeast wrote

[/quote]
  Uh okay...  You realize this happened after the Germans had all their logistic chains severed right?  Plus the germans did not have Biotic Powers and could not revive fallen soilders by smashng the A button...  I think trying to bring in anything but a few highly limited small squad tactics into this game is a bit of a stretch don't you?  I mean I can't even call in arty or air support.  [/quote]

LOL:D

Modifié par bogsters23, 27 août 2012 - 11:44 .

[ReverendBeast]

ASmoothCriminalx wrote...

ReverendBeast wrote...

 I can't see how running around with 4 players can take out 4 Banshees

Did you mod your credit income too? or did you just allow 4 Banshees to spawn at once?

Neither...  Have you played Platinum on FBW much?  Your question suggests it's not your "go to" game...

[Finnegone]

whatsdafus wrote...

 I don't understand them....


Sit in a spot for 30 mins while **** slowly walks to you.  Hide behind a wall.  How N7 like!


Im tired of plat runs on glacier whereas soon as the game loads, 1 to 2 morons make a bee line for the control room.  We need to start frap'ing games on how to play MP without cowering in a corner

Played with two campers last night on U/U/G. I play U/U/G so I don't have to camp to be a team player; these two (who were quite nice, if not a bit stubborn - camping on Glacier, for example, which is just stupid) seemed to know every semi viable camp spot on every map. What's the point, though? If you're going to camp, throw on some gear and play FBWCP - it's more rewarding, and a lot faster.

[Star fury]

ReverendBeast wrote...

Star fury wrote...

ReverendBeast wrote...

  Can't read Russian! Is this a map of the German invasion or the Russian break out?

This map shows Soviet counter-offensive at Stalingrad in 1942, when hundreds of thousands Germans were encircled and annihilated near and in Stalingrad.
 

  Uh okay...  You realize this happened after the Germans had all their logistic chains severed right?  Plus the germans did not have Biotic Powers and could not revive fallen soilders by smashng the A button...  I think trying to bring in anything but a few highly limited small squad tactics into this game is a bit of a stretch don't you?  I mean I can't even call in arty or air support. 

To all of you who compare fbw/glacier camping with real life warfare. This is what happens in reality, when one side just defends passively.

These lines are written three times on this page only, one time on previous page. You can't read English too?

Now direct your sarcasm to guys who first brought real life examples and compared them to camping in a video game.

[silencekills]

whatsdafus wrote...

silencekills wrote...

whatsdafus wrote...

Sit in a spot for 30 mins while **** slowly walks to you.  Hide behind a wall.  How N7 like!

Because real N7s put their lives and the mission at risk unnecessarily. They might fail the mission and lose their lives, but at least they can say "I ran around in the open while getting shot by Primes, warped by Banshees, set on fire by pyros, shreded by turrets, snuck up on by Hunters, and blasted by hand cannons. True story." if they survive.

Anywho, it's cool if you camp, cool if you run around. One is safer, one is faster. Doesn't really matter so long as things work out,.

Safer?  When two banshees enter your lil nursery.... People die left and right... Oh but rezzing is ok for you guys there...


Also, if bw fixed that lil cover blocks banshees trick, what would you guys do then?

Prolly make a forum post about how bw ruins everything

Interesting. Might I ask who your refering to with "you guys"? From where i'm sitting, sounds like unnecessary butthurt to me. Ya know, "I go into public lobbys and am angry when people go to the well known spot for hunkering down. Better make a thread".

As for the first, yes, safer. Focus fire still works pretty darn well at killing Banshees not to mention the 20 rockets you have. If people die to a Banshee, they're not getting rezed, so I don't know what that last bit means.

Glacier control room camping has no cover beyond the sides of the room. I don't think Bioware fixing that will do anything.

Modifié par silencekills, 28 août 2012 - 12:00 .

[ReverendBeast]

Star fury wrote...

ReverendBeast wrote...

Star fury wrote...

ReverendBeast wrote...

  Can't read Russian! Is this a map of the German invasion or the Russian break out?

This map shows Soviet counter-offensive at Stalingrad in 1942, when hundreds of thousands Germans were encircled and annihilated near and in Stalingrad.
 

  Uh okay...  You realize this happened after the Germans had all their logistic chains severed right?  Plus the germans did not have Biotic Powers and could not revive fallen soilders by smashng the A button...  I think trying to bring in anything but a few highly limited small squad tactics into this game is a bit of a stretch don't you?  I mean I can't even call in arty or air support. 

To all of you who compare fbw/glacier camping with real life warfare. This is what happens in reality, when one side just defends passively.

These lines are written three times on this page only, one time on previous page. You can't read English too?

Now direct your sarcasm to guys who first brought real life examples and compared them to camping in a video game.

Excuse me but who produced a map of a real battle in WW2 and compared it to this game and then tries to justify it as "This is what happens in reality. when..."   So you counter their illogical and incorrect premise with your own and then get mad when someone points it out?  SHEESH...  As I said... "I think trying to bring in anything but a few highly limited small squad tactics into this game is a bit of a stretch don't you?"

[Star fury]

ReverendBeast wrote...

Star fury wrote...

ReverendBeast wrote...

Star fury wrote...

ReverendBeast wrote...

  Can't read Russian! Is this a map of the German invasion or the Russian break out?

This map shows Soviet counter-offensive at Stalingrad in 1942, when hundreds of thousands Germans were encircled and annihilated near and in Stalingrad.
 

  Uh okay...  You realize this happened after the Germans had all their logistic chains severed right?  Plus the germans did not have Biotic Powers and could not revive fallen soilders by smashng the A button...  I think trying to bring in anything but a few highly limited small squad tactics into this game is a bit of a stretch don't you?  I mean I can't even call in arty or air support. 

To all of you who compare fbw/glacier camping with real life warfare. This is what happens in reality, when one side just defends passively.

These lines are written three times on this page only, one time on previous page. You can't read English too?

Now direct your sarcasm to guys who first brought real life examples and compared them to camping in a video game.

Excuse me but who produced a map of a real battle in WW2 and compared it to this game and then tries to justify it as "This is what happens in reality. when..."   So you counter their illogical and incorrect premise with your own and then get mad when someone points it out?  SHEESH...  As I said... "I think trying to bring in anything but a few highly limited small squad tactics into this game is a bit of a stretch don't you?"

Nope, my example is logical while theirs is not.

[whatsdafus]

silencekills wrote...

whatsdafus wrote...

silencekills wrote...

whatsdafus wrote...

Sit in a spot for 30 mins while **** slowly walks to you.  Hide behind a wall.  How N7 like!

Because real N7s put their lives and the mission at risk unnecessarily. They might fail the mission and lose their lives, but at least they can say "I ran around in the open while getting shot by Primes, warped by Banshees, set on fire by pyros, shreded by turrets, snuck up on by Hunters, and blasted by hand cannons. True story." if they survive.

Anywho, it's cool if you camp, cool if you run around. One is safer, one is faster. Doesn't really matter so long as things work out,.

Safer?  When two banshees enter your lil nursery.... People die left and right... Oh but rezzing is ok for you guys there...


Also, if bw fixed that lil cover blocks banshees trick, what would you guys do then?

Prolly make a forum post about how bw ruins everything

Interesting. Might I ask who your refering to with "you guys"? From where i'm sitting, sounds like unnecessary butthurt to me. Ya know, "I go into public lobbys and am angry when people go to the well known spot for hunkering down. Better make a thread".

As for the first, yes, safer. Focus fire still works pretty darn well at killing Banshees not to mention the 20 rockets you have. If people die to a Banshee, they're not getting rezed, so I don't know what that last bit means.

Glacier control room camping has no cover beyond the sides of the room. I don't think Bioware fixing that will do anything.

control room does glitch.... i posted it before... people hug the wall that is left of the door. banshees will not come into the room.  They also do this so the geth pyros dont go in the room as well and fire harmlessly into the wall. 

thus all the lil ballerina biotic waves going thru the wall can kill the banshees/pyro's without one of them stepping foot into the room

[ReverendBeast]

Star fury wrote...

ReverendBeast wrote...

Star fury wrote...

ReverendBeast wrote...

Star fury wrote...

ReverendBeast wrote...

  Can't read Russian! Is this a map of the German invasion or the Russian break out?

This map shows Soviet counter-offensive at Stalingrad in 1942, when hundreds of thousands Germans were encircled and annihilated near and in Stalingrad.
 

  Uh okay...  You realize this happened after the Germans had all their logistic chains severed right?  Plus the germans did not have Biotic Powers and could not revive fallen soilders by smashng the A button...  I think trying to bring in anything but a few highly limited small squad tactics into this game is a bit of a stretch don't you?  I mean I can't even call in arty or air support. 

To all of you who compare fbw/glacier camping with real life warfare. This is what happens in reality, when one side just defends passively.

These lines are written three times on this page only, one time on previous page. You can't read English too?

Now direct your sarcasm to guys who first brought real life examples and compared them to camping in a video game.

Excuse me but who produced a map of a real battle in WW2 and compared it to this game and then tries to justify it as "This is what happens in reality. when..."   So you counter their illogical and incorrect premise with your own and then get mad when someone points it out?  SHEESH...  As I said... "I think trying to bring in anything but a few highly limited small squad tactics into this game is a bit of a stretch don't you?"

Nope, my example is logical while theirs is not.

Please read my first response; as this states the flaw in using your example to counter the original premise.
I'm not trying to anagonize you.  Your counter to the argument has no relevance and is not a logical answer as you and the originator of the statement both tried to apply "real life tactics" to this game... 

Again.... "I think trying to bring in anything but a few highly limited small squad tactics into this game is a bit of a stretch don't you?"

[silencekills]

whatsdafus wrote...

silencekills wrote...

whatsdafus wrote...

Safer?  When two banshees enter your lil nursery.... People die left and right... Oh but rezzing is ok for you guys there...


Also, if bw fixed that lil cover blocks banshees trick, what would you guys do then?

Prolly make a forum post about how bw ruins everything

Interesting. Might I ask who your refering to with "you guys"? From where i'm sitting, sounds like unnecessary butthurt to me. Ya know, "I go into public lobbys and am angry when people go to the well known spot for hunkering down. Better make a thread".

As for the first, yes, safer. Focus fire still works pretty darn well at killing Banshees not to mention the 20 rockets you have. If people die to a Banshee, they're not getting rezed, so I don't know what that last bit means.

Glacier control room camping has no cover beyond the sides of the room. I don't think Bioware fixing that will do anything.

control room does glitch.... i posted it before... people hug the wall that is left of the door. banshees will not come into the room.  They also do this so the geth pyros dont go in the room as well and fire harmlessly into the wall. 

thus all the lil ballerina biotic waves going thru the wall can kill the banshees/pyro's without one of them stepping foot into the room

Wow. That seems pretty effective then. Really safe then. Safer, yet slower than going to spawns and clearing up.

Modifié par silencekills, 28 août 2012 - 12:26 .