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[Kraftykity]

I like being able to mod stats, visual & upgrades. However I ADORE the random idea. I've seen that in other games, and think it would ROCK in Theodas.

That being said, crafting is okay, but not really why I play this particular game. If I want that, I'll play Skyrim. I don't. I play this game for the story, not the crafting.

[Ethexia]

In my opinion, the more you can customize, the better. I am definitely the person who goes for good looks in my games, i want to put as much personality as posibly i can. So, crafting... Well what personaly i love:

Crafting is based on :
Materials to gather / your crafting skill /  ability to slightly modify stats ( definately dont want the ability to be overpowered ) / ability to tailor your own design ( With possibly color dyes, or maybe with some different quality materials you get better quality ( stat based ) armor / weapon. / ability to enchance already crafted armor.

Basically what is very hard to do with crafting systems in games, to make it rewarding. I end up in most games, by the time i finish gather materials, and skill needed to craft particular armor, its pretty much outdated by vendors, therefore in most games crafting isnt very rewarding. I still do it tho, reason behind as always more customization. 

So please, make it most impotantly rewarding, for us to do crafting. I know i might suggest things that maybe isnt possible, or something but.. I would love to see more rewarding and unique crafting systems.
Cheers!


P.S. Sorry for mistakes.

Modifié par Ethexia, 27 août 2012 - 09:44 .

[Narokkurai]

My favorite crafting systems are the iterative kind. That is, you craft something, and then you can upgrade it, or craft it with something else to improve it even further. I especially like combination systems. JRPGs like Rogue Galaxy, Persona, and Lost Kingdoms all had interesting combination systems that allowed you to upgrade your weapons/personas/cards/whatever. Experimenting with different combinations was fun, and it was a reward in its own right when you discovered a combination that gave you a legendary new weapon or something.

I don't really know how to integrate that into a western game of the sort that Bioware makes, but when it comes to crafting systems, I know one thing: I have never used the crafting system in any WRPG, and I become nearly obsessed with crafting systems in JRPGs.

[Ser Redland]

I believe that previous DA crafting systems were balanced in terms of statistics (though maybe a bit high in the second game but that can be distorted by the fact that magic uses a higher attack roll0. The crafting of physical appearance or the ability to change the materials armor is made out of could be very interesting and allow for huge levels of design by the player and by the art team. Custom colors could be good as well. Ice cold blue silverite with silver silverite.
My favorite side-mission, if you wish to call it that, in Oblivion was the creation of spells. I would combine lightning with area create light for a big flash, ice with on target paralysis and chameleon to appear frozen, and other such affects. The ability to craft something like that, the freedom to customize stats or abilities as we wish (fairly, of course) would be a great addition to a DragonAge game.
I think so, anyway. It would be cool at the very least.

[MizuMegami]

For crafting I'd like to see a blending of Origins & II. The ability to hide the helm, putting runes on both armor & weapons, and being able to make your own poultices, poisons, traps, etc. The ability to change how something looks would be kinda cool, but not necessary I don't think. I also think it would be cool to add restrictions on who can wear what. For example how the heck can a Qunari fit into the same armor I just had my Dwarf wearing?

[mdigs150]

visual for weapons and armour would be awesome

[CuriousArtemis]

I've never used crafting before in either game. I do like the idea that it could change the way an item looks though. But otherwise, it's just a part of the game I'm not that interested in.

EDIT: As for changing appearance, I'd rather take my party's stuff to a blacksmith or tailor and get to play around with how it looks that way

Modifié par motomotogirl, 27 août 2012 - 09:51 .

[Linque]

Generally speaking I tend not to bother with crafting systems if they get to be too involved. I particularly shy away from the sort where you have to discover recipes for yourself--I have better things to be doing than throwing every weed I pass into a pot and seeing if something comes of it (and wasting materials while I'm at it).

With that being said, I do make use of smithing in Skyrim and find that it's pretty nicely straightforward. Smithing in WoW was painful sometimes due to the stats on an item being wonderful but the appearance turning out horrendously cartoonish. DA2 crafting was kind of excessively straightforward...I made use of it, but as someone who likes a totally immersive RP experience, it took a bit away to just poke a book at home and get an infinite number of runes so long as I'd discovered enough material locations and had the coin for them. Origins crafting I didn't use much...wasn't a flaw of the system, just didn't have enough of a need to bother with it.

I guess my ideal crafting system would allow for adding stats but also allow for some modification of item appearance. I also prefer to work from written recipes and learn from tradespeople rather than waste hours and materials trying to figure out how to make something when my time would be better spent making putrid smears out of darkspawn. Runes are helpful additions and I did like the rune system in both games. Randomization is okay for low level items but definitely not for items with high cost/rare materials. Buying crafting materials is fine (again unless it's something super rare) and, lastly, limit by skill level, not class.

[MKDAWUSS]

I'd like there to be personalized items of which we can upgrade both stats and appearances.

[Jobrill]

Oh, and I also 100% in favor of the ability to recraft the look of an item. I'd love to be able to make my Mage Hawke, for example, wear that basic, unassuming tunic and pants wherever he goes, even if a robe has better stats, because it's part of his RP nature to hide that he's a mage as much as possible.

[Mr.Possible]

The ability to tailor the way an item works (stats)
The ability to tailor the way an item looks (visual)
The ability to upgrade an item (runes)
Collecting lots of things to use in crafting
Randomizing the process (so you aren't guarenteed to always craft exactly the same thing; stats/visual variable etc)
Limits on what you can craft based on skill
Limits on what you can craft based on class
The ability to buy crafting materials
No crafting materials
etc etc etc

Remember, this is to call out the BEST things that you've seen in crafting systems or how you enjoy engaging with this feature.

Crafting is a huge thing for me in games. Baldurs Gate dark alliance was were my love for crafting really began, because not only did that give stat boosting runes and gems but it also (however slight) offered an aesthetic change as well. I liked how fable allowed the physical apperance of the hero weopons to change depending on your allignment, however they just didnt go far enough with it, was a very nice idea though and should be expanded. I also think that class specific crafting is something that should be included. I cant think of a game that already supports this but i think that when your a dwarf (for example) everything you craft should look dwarven, by this i mean solid, rugged, stone, angular. and if your an elf then wood and nature should come into play. As far as collecting multiple things to craft something goes, it can work, however only if the items you find are appropriate. Like for an axe, thick strong wood, flint, stone, vines, iron etc. I hope people take the time to read this and actually understand what im trying to say. 

Also naming a weapon as someone else said, would be kinda cool

I still have faith in you bioware!<3

Modifié par Mr.Possible, 28 août 2012 - 09:18 .

[Akrahun]

 I've recently been playing Funicom's The Secret World, and I find their crafting system to be quite ingenious,  Basically just about any item can be broken down into one of about half a dozen different components or magical runes, and then you place these base elements onto a grid in specific patterns in order to create various items, e.g one pattern would create a sword, another a hammer, another a magical glyph, etc.  What I like about that crafting system is that A. even stuff which normally wouldn't be useful for your character feels exciting to get, because you know you'll be able to use the base components, and B. it gives more of a feel of actually CREATING something than simply choosing a pattern from a list.

[Maugrim]

I love being able to determine how an item both looks and works and most importantly I like those two things to be completely unrelated to each other! I shouldn't be stuck with the Fluffy Pink Bunny Slippers of Sneaking just because I want that stealth bonus. If I want my footwear to look like Heavy Chain mail with Spikes of Doom and blood red highlights and I've gone through all the trouble to craft it then let it be so.  I always liked games/MMO's that gave your separate equipment and 'social' paperdolls you you could look like you wanted without suffering from bad stats.  Something similar would be nice.

Collecting lots of things? NO. Some things sure and of course the more uber stuff shouldn't be easy to get but you shouldn't be trying to increase sales of the game guide because the player doesn't want to deal with going on the internet to find the one ingredient that only drops on an enemy .001% of the time and only on February 29.

Randomization? Big no, especially when combined with lots of hard to find loot. NO!

Limits based on skill or class? Skill maybe but even then it's just annoying. It's rarely worth it to make a PC a skill crafting character in games so unless crafting is OP, which is usually a bad thing I'm either going to shuffle this off on the NPC I always leave at the party camp or just use a respec potion. So I say preferably no to both and even if you do implement either I'm on PC and I'll just do an end run around such silly roadblocks.

Yes we should be able to buy crafting materials it only makes sense unless it the one uber ingredient that's super rare and we can only obtain by slaying a boss or some such.

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 27 août 2012 - 10:12 .

[Don Lionheart]

I'm not a big fan of crafting systems in general. I feel that crafting takes away from the more fun aspects of the game like the gameplay and the story. However, it is because of this reason that I like the way that DA2 did crafting more than I liked the way that DA:O did it. This surprises me, because there are so many better aspects of DA:O over DA2, but I digress. The quick "I want a potion, let me order it and have it sent right to me" action was MUCH better than having to worry about collecting reagents and vials and all those things. There may be a good way to combine the two, like having the option to craft your own items OR order them. Stats and runes are nice as well, but the runes have always been too expensive for such a teeny tiny increase in damage or decrease in damage taken, and there are some stupid ones out there that don't quite make sense. The biggest problem is that we don't always know what each stat does for us (i.e. physical resistance), however being able to increase them with runes or choose which stat I want are some of my favorite things about crafting.

-Don

[Blackbyrd]

I like all of these ideas, but one thing has always bugged me about crafting systems in games-- it's purpose. I'd really like to see craft-able items being actually pretty good to use. I hate gathering all of the materials, doing all these quests, training my crafting skill (whatever it may be) to make this 'great' item. And it be rather useless. I like the way Blizzard did this in Diablo-- random rolls for stats, I think that you should have a quite high chance for 'good' stats, and a smaller chance for something great-- it really entices the player to use the crafting system more.

[kuoleman]

I like being able to change the stats of certain weapons/armors to what I like to use it for (ME3). I like being able to change the appearance of weapons/armors, coloring, details. If the mods I use change the appearance, so be it, although sometimes I may choose a mod strictly on appearance as opposed to the stat (ie pistol mod that turns weapon red, don't even know the stats: ME3) so I rather those two not be attached. VISUAL: YES STATS: YES
Random: No!!! I hate reloading, and guessing if I'll roll some good loot. I'd rather know where all the good stuff is and if I have to kill a dragon to get... so be it! Make me work for it, feel sense of accomplishment, not 'Ooh I got luck this time.'
Hate collecting millions of deathroot, etc. to craft, when I don't know where to look, or limited materials to begin with. Specified craft materials spawning locations. YES. If I need 30 wolf pelts to make AWESOMEBOW then I know to venture to Korcari Wilds, since that's where they all live.
Buying craft materials... eh, okay, if that's where I spend my money to make AWESOMESWORD instead of buying... I can see the fun in that. But it'd better be worth it!
Crafting and leveling, yes. Love when I read XYBOOK and get a recipe out of it. Makes reading and being completionist more worth it.
Dragon Age doesn't spend hours crafting and chasing ie. Skyrim, WOW, TOR. I don't want that to change. My squaddies can help out with tasks my personal class doesn't know. But Grey Warden/Hawke never seemed the type to spend/or have the time to learn a craft. They bribe/mooch/romance/fight/argue/talk their way into getting what they want. I'd love to see way more of that affect crafting than time spent/material fetching.

[Nakorius]

I liked the add-on to DAO where you got one metal ingot and could decide on one weapon for it. Watching Sword Art Online i thought of such a thing:
Recepiese for e.g. Swords, we can learn to make a few different visual styles of swords but the mesh and stats are dependant of the ore we use. Like the armour in DAO, there were a few similar sets that changed colour dependant by tier. Additional crafting materials could be used to give better stats e.g.. 1 lvl blacksmith can add 1 additional item, 20 lvl can add 2 and so on. Lyrium to add will, coarse-stone to add dmg, and so on.. The better materials give better stats but they are scarce and we cannot make to many weapons with them.
One more thing.. I know nobody cares for this but naming a weapon, that would be sweet...

[BubbleDncr]

I've never been big on crafting, but these are my thoughts:

Origins:
I liked that as long as I had a companion with a crafting ability with me, I could craft wherever I was.
I did not like having to carry a ton of crafting materials with me all the time.
I was not fond of how the crafting skill was set up - mainly because it seemed like it was very late in the game for me to unlock much, because the combat proficiency or whatever skills were so much more important to get early on.

DA2:
I liked how you only had to find resources and not have to carry things around with you.
I did not like that I couldn't craft wherever I was. I had to go home or to wherever some crafter in Kirkwall was.
I did not like that if you missed a crafting node once, sometimes you missed it forever. If I'm trying to just finish up one last quest before I go to bed, I may not scour every corner of the environment and miss a crafting material. Then at the end of the game, I can't make this awesome item because I'm one short of that certain material, but I can't ever go back and try and find it.

Edit: wanted to add that also - I think that if someone's at the best crafting level currently available to them and they're making the hardest things to craft, they should be the best items you can use for at least 3 or 4 levels. Make them be worth all the effort.

Modifié par BubbleDncr, 27 août 2012 - 10:17 .

[stucksuburbanite]

DA's potion crafting was way better than DA2's. I thought DA's system was perfect and like others have said, DA2's seems less involved and impersonal. Being able to tailor how the item works and looks is a definite must. Limiting what you can craft based on class and level not only gives a player a goal to achieve (level-wise) but also makes them want to play again so they can experience the other item crafting (class-wise).

I absolutely love the rune system in Awakening. DA2's ok but not as good. It's nice to be given an edge but not such a one where it makes battle a breeze: I do like a challenge. However, I'd like to see the possibility of combining two are more runes that result in a unique power in of itself. So rather than just a fire rune and a lightning rune resulting in 20% damage of each respective element, maybe add mana damage as well: on their own, the runes just do their specific damage to health, but together they do additional mana depletion. Or, you could just combine two runes into one and have one unique power. It would be a bit like a modified version of the hybrid runes from Awakening. Just a thought.

[lacrimasgladii]

I really enjoyed meeting a great armorer, Wade, and having him forge things for my character. I'd like to find other great armorers and weaponsmiths, who assign you to find odd things, so I can have armor and weapons made, not just two-handed swords and one handed swords; but staffs, bows, and knives, as well.

[Gen. Squee]

I feel customization in any RPG is important but especially when it comes to clothes/armor and gear.  I don't think it should be a necessary system for people to use to finish the main story line but those that due fully engage in the crafting system should be awarded with great gear that can be further customized on a superficial level.  

As far as examples for you to look at for DA3, don't look too far because I loved the crafting system in The Old Republic. Hunting down ingredients is not my favorite thing to do so the option of sending out my companions to do it for me was spectacular.  I still got the feeling of accomplishment after obtaining enough of an element but didn't have to spend hours killing the same creatures over and over.  I could play the story missions and resource gather at the same time.  It also encouraged me to play the game more often as I would want to check in and see how my companions faired with their tasks.
The other aspect that TOR did fantastically was the occasional "critical hit" crafting. Having it be possible to improve upon an item's original design was a great draw for me to keep building it in hopes that I might unlock the item's next level. Crafting the same sword repeatedly just to further one's skill level is only so entertaining but if there's a chance that the next craft will yeild something great, it helps make it worth while.  One gets a certain kind of glee when one sees that although a weapons dealer's wares are of a similar level, they are inferior to those hand made by the player.  If it's possible to buy better same level gear, then the crafting system has much less appeal.

What I do not like to deal with when it comes to crafting is a ridiculously large inventory.  I don't mind having to obtain ingredients for various items but I don't want to have to sort through them every time I open my bag.  In DA2, one simply had to find a resource source to use it so it never clogged up my inventory.  While that was nice and simple it also felt a little cheap. In TOR one's ingredients had a tendancy of taking over the inventory.  I was constantly reorganizing and juggling inventory slots.  I could stash ingredients on my ship and still access them, but it was highly inconvenient to travel all the way back to my ship mid-story mission just to drop off a few peices of durasteel.  I suggest you consider fusing the two ideas and have ingredients automatically transfer to a seperate storage facility, independant from other loot.  I would also recommend that these ingredients may be organized according to various attributes, such as level and purpose.  That way when one does advance to the next crafting stage, it would be a simple matter to sell off all the old ingredients rather than have to sort through pages and pages selling each off one by one.

It would be nice to also have a couple completly optional side mission sequences that lead specifically to gear, an example of this being Ocarina of Time's Biggoron Sword.  Wade, the armorer was in DA but his quest for the player was almost too easy to want to accomplish.  Complex and oft times a little silly and convoluted quests can be justified if the payoff is good enough.  In fact, maybe you could just ask Nintendo to let you put the Biggoron Sword into DA3.  That would make my day.

Thanks.

Modifié par Gen. Squee, 27 août 2012 - 10:36 .

[Hermonius]

Remember the game breaking rune from DA: Awakening, crit/backstab damage increased by 25%. You could stack those(and getting the 100% crit/backstab damage dagger), seriously overpowered.

[Henioo]

Finally a good question.

I did not like finding plants in DA2. If you're going to do that, make the plants distinctive or something. It's been five playthroughs of DA2 and I still haven't gotten the achievement for collecting all the plants.
In Gothic 3, the artists made health potions plants to be distinctive by having red parts - like fruits or leaves, and the ones for mana blue; the plants were also higher than useless plants, so it was easy to spot them.

Also in the Gothic series, you can craft weapons. It was one of the main sources of income in the games. With higher levels you could create better weapons, and new quests at blackmiths opened up, i.e. bring him some magic ore so he'd teach you how to make magic ore weapons. Also, weapons made by you and sharpened by you dealt more damage.

In the Witcher you can experiment with ingridients and often get something quite useful by just mixing random ingredients, or by talking to people and reading books to learn new recipes, which could be altered.

There could be potions that added strenght to warrior, cunning to rougues or magic to mages, for example - for a limited time, but they also wouldn't deplete one's wallet.

In Skyrim, you can destroy a found sword to learn how to make a more powerful one with the same properties. I found that interesting. For example, Wade tasks you with finding a rare Dalish arrow and then he either teaches you how to make them or sells them.

As per what haven't seen, but really liked - the visuals. Often I ended up using an inferior object because it looked better. Also, different visuals affect replayability value.

That's it for now.