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[mathewgurney]

Been nigh on a month since release, still no patch to fix the glaring problems that should have been caught before release, so for me DA:O is going back to the shop tomorrow as trade-in for something that doesn't fail on so many counts both technical and gameplay related.  Good job wasting my time and money Bioware/EA, luckily i know not to throw good after bad so i wont be buying anything else you produce in future until it's dirt cheap in the bargain bin 12 months after release and just to make myself feel better about the hit i've taken i'm going to badmouth your trash product and your now-compromised brandname to every Xbox360 gamer i know.

It would take too long and be unnecessary to list all the flaws with DA:O, several threads in this forum have attempted to do so and failed due to the number and complexity of the problems and the lack of reliable info or feedback from Bioware/EA.  The point is, however you attempt to play the game, if on the Xbox360 you WILL most likely find no way to avoid encountering during any playthrough, bugs ranging from frustration with the clumsily implemented control system and camera, annoyances with the completely broken DEX stat,  dissapointments with the lack of graphical quality and animation, to game-breaking quest brick walls and corrupted save games. So overall, minus a few randomly entertaining conversations and lolworthy characters who occur along the linear and restricted path the game follows we are left with a pile of diseased dog faeces with a £40 price-tag.

We are not beta-testers, you are not paying us, we are not masochistic lab rats paying you to experiment on us, we are the mob, the heaving masses, fail to provide us with our opiates, our games, and like the roman plebs before us we WILL pull you down.  You have insulted our intelligence, shown no respect, given us spoiled goods, taken our money, and shown no remorse,  in return you are outcast, exiled from the ranks of the gaming greats, no longer will Biowares name be spoken with the previous respect and reverence, now it will be muttered on the night-breath of only the most drunkenly nostalgic fanboy and be accompanied by a deeply unpleasant whiff as though he had eaten a turd for lunch, listeners will recoil in disgust and he will be ostracized as a broken fool living in the past.

lt will be amusingly ironic for regular visitors here to see this post deleted by the moderators as it will most likely be the only reason they enter this seemingly completely ignored section of the forum and take action in any meaningful way in a month.   This is only symptomatic of the disregard Bioware/EA seem to regard the Xbox360 community with as a whole.

/rantmode OFF

Modifié par mathewgurney, 24 décembre 2009 - 04:07 .

[Taiko Roshi]

No mods enter here so don't worry. Nice post BTW. Very well said.

[Duhragon]

At least I played and beat the game within two weeks before all this bugs and server issues come about. You have a strong point gurney. I guess I am gonna wait just a bit before i trade-in DAO. Sometimes a little patience goes a long way, although it is wearing thin.

[Crimzon Nutcase]

mathewgurney wrote...

Been nigh on a month since release, still no patch to fix the glaring problems that should have been caught before release, so for me DA:O is going back to the shop tomorrow as trade-in for something that doesn't fail on so many counts both technical and gameplay related.  Good job wasting my time and money Bioware/EA, luckily i know not to throw good after bad so i wont be buying anything else you produce in future until it's dirt cheap in the bargain bin 12 months after release and just to make myself feel better about the hit i've taken i'm going to badmouth your trash product and your now-compromised brandname to every Xbox360 gamer i know.

It would take too long and be unnecessary to list all the flaws with DA:O, several threads in this forum have attempted to do so and failed due to the number and complexity of the problems and the lack of reliable info or feedback from Bioware/EA.  The point is, however you attempt to play the game, if on the Xbox360 you WILL most likely find no way to avoid encountering during any playthrough, bugs ranging from frustration with the clumsily implemented control system and camera, annoyances with the completely broken DEX stat,  dissapointments with the lack of graphical quality and animation, to game-breaking quest brick walls and corrupted save games. So overall, minus a few randomly entertaining conversations and lolworthy characters who occur along the linear and restricted path the game follows we are left with a pile of diseased dog faeces with a £40 price-tag.

We are not beta-testers, you are not paying us, we are not masochistic lab rats paying you to experiment on us, we are the mob, the heaving masses, fail to provide us with our opiates, our games, and like the roman plebs before us we WILL pull you down.  You have insulted our intelligence, shown no respect, given us spoiled goods, taken our money, and shown no remorse,  in return you are outcast, exiled from the ranks of the gaming greats, no longer will Biowares name be spoken with the previous respect and reverence, now it will muttered on the night-breath of only the most drunkenly nostalgic fanboy and be accompanied by a deeply unpleasant whiff as though he had eaten a turd for lunch, listeners will recoil in disgust and he will be ostracized as a broken fool living in the past.

lt will be amusingly ironic for regular visitors here to see this post deleted by the moderators as it will most likely be the only reason they enter this seemingly completely ignored section of the forum and take action in any meaningful way in a month.   This is only symptomatic of the disregard Bioware/EA seem to regard the Xbox360 community with as a whole.

/rantmode OFF

Sorry dude but that's not much of a rant, it's more of a call for the waaaaahbulance. I mean seriously, you're going to cry about a few issues. Sure they're a bit annoying but the devs have promised a fix, but you just aren't very patient. So you're going to go and cry about a company that's been pumping out quality titles, where you gonna get your mass effect fix? My bet you end up buying ME2 and/or the Ostagar DLC.

[Snarf95]

i'm a cat

[Baalaaxa]

I blame EA.

I mourn BW.

[Crimzon Nutcase]

Heartlocker wrote...

Damn, a waaaahbulance? What the **** are you talking about? What he said is TRUE, people got shafted due the game breaking glitches and broken quests. Go **** yourself if you cannot see how many people are suffering from this.

DA:O is the aborted child of EA as they want Mass Effect 2 to be great and awesome, the flagship of BW. They rushed this game and left us to our own devices, not to mention they announce a DLC before a patch right away.

Are you kidding me, nobody deserves this, nobody.

Aight buddy you gotta calm down. For one you make too many assumptions about companies, and I highly doubt that they would intentionally flake on their own products, especially with one that has so much money invested in out of their own pockets. Plus has someone come out and stated that, " We here at EA thought it would be such a smart idea to, skimp on DA: O and then just beef the **** out of ME2." Yeah don't think so bub.

He totally needs the waaaaaahbulance, it's these types of pansy antics that prove how pathetic people can get. He thinks that the Devs from EA/BW are actually reading these boards? LOL fail much? The admins here aren't the game designers, they're just enforcers of rules and regs. People like the OP and YOU are the ones who blame the admins who are just doing their job to give you news and help you with tech issues.


So yeah you and him need to simma down naow, or Ima have ta call da waaaaaahbulance. Merry Christmas

[mathewgurney]

Of course you are right Crimzon Nutcase, no company in the history of the world has EVER compromised on product quality in order to make a quick £. It would be unthinkable in the highly moral and almost religiously ethical climate that international business occupies. Especially when they know the majority of thier customer base wants thier next product so bad they think of it in terms of a drug-fix, it's unthinkable they would abuse such reliance. They would never set up a cordon or buffer zone of soporific admin employees to insulate themselves from any real contact with unreasonably disgruntled consumers, it would cut them off from the negative feedback which is so valuable to thier dedicated quality control departments who are working tirelessly to ensure that EVERY customer is satisfied with thier purchase before they even think of releasing anything else. Whole departments of employees would probably commit honourable suicide should they even mistakenly imagine that they had overlooked a flaw in thier product or that they were accidentally working on DLC instead of fixing the problems people were experiencing.

Modifié par mathewgurney, 24 décembre 2009 - 01:22 .

[Crimzon Nutcase]

mathewgurney wrote...

Of course you are right Crimzon Nutcase, no company in the history of the world has EVER compromised on product quality in order to make a quick £. It would be unthinkable in the highly moral and almost religiously ethical climate that international business occupies. Especially when they know the majority of thier customer base wants thier next product so bad they think of it in terms of a drug-fix, it's unthinkable they would abuse such reliance. They would never set up a cordon or buffer zone of soporific admin employees to insulate themselves from any real contact with unreasonably disgruntled consumers, it would cut them off from the negative feedback which is so valuable to thier dedicated quality control departments who are working tirelessly to ensure that EVERY customer is satisfied with thier purchase before they even think of releasing anything else. Whole departments of employees would probably commit honourable suicide should they even mistakenly imagine that they had overlooked a flaw in thier product or that they were accidentally working on DLC instead of fixing the problems people were experiencing.

MY POINT EXACTLY!!!!! I'm so glad you get me. We must be family, distant cousins of sorts. I don't know and I don't care but....we're meant for each other!!!!! OH SNAP! Look at that I can use sarcasm too, amazing, eh?

Now I didn't say that companies don't have their flaws, but really you wanna whine so much about this game. Go enjoy what Ubisoft considers RPG's, or better yet wait the 4-5 years in between each Bethesda RPG's. After you've waited 20 years to play 4 titles tell me how good your "addiction of gaming" is going for ya.

Also these guys are Canadian, they don't commit seppuku, otherwise they would have long time ago with the induction of Degrassi. As for how you're going to badmouth EA/BW to all of your friends, I highly doubt they're going to listen. As Mass Effect 2 and multitudes of other Bioware games that are coming out will surely blow away any ill words you have to spew. However, while you're spewing your blah blah blah, I'll be talking up EA/BW because I believe in them and their games. While there are bugs as there are with ANY video game, at least they are working on a fix, you just need patience.

[mathewgurney]

Crimzon Nutcase

Yes, congratulations on demonstrating sarcasm, next time if you include a point it might be more meaningful for your readers.

I've been gaming for well over 20 years, thankfully i'm not blindly obsessed with one company so there is always variety to satisfy my gaming interests.

Also props for your grasp of Canadian politics, perhaps you should further your research into other cultures though, the Japanese do not have the monopoly on honourable suicide, there are many historic examples you might find interesting.

I know it might be difficult for you to comprehend, given your own probable situation, but i have friends who actually listen to and value my opinion, so much so that they will most likely repeat the opinion to thier friends. This is a concept called "word of mouth" and as everyone who has ever been involved in any kind of business knows it can kill your customer base off faster than anything else.

The difference between I and you telling our friends about our experiences with this game are that they can confirm my opinion by playing themselves away from me, while you will have to lean over thier shoulder and blindfold them whenever one of the obvious bugs pop up so that they don't see that your blind fanaticism is clouding your judgement.

Multitudes, where, titles ? Pretty damn sure the definition of multitudes of games is not 2 or 3 un-confirmed speculations.

Frankly, after a month, my patience is exhausted both with this game and with listening to the prattle of mindless rednecks like yourself, continue to post in my thread if you must but i will no longer respond as it's becoming very boring talking to the 1001th fanboy clone and having to translate words like bub, blah blah blah and waaambulance into something an adult mind can comprehend and respond to.

[Crimzon Nutcase]

mathewgurney wrote...

Crimzon Nutcase
Yes, congratulations on demonstrating sarcasm, next time if you include a point it might be more meaningful for your readers.
I've been gaming for well over 20 years, thankfully i'm not blindly obsessed with one company so there is always variety to satisfy my gaming interests.
Also props for your grasp of Canadian politics, perhaps you should further your research into other cultures though, the Japanese do not have the monopoly on honourable suicide, there are many historic examples you might find interesting.
I know it might be difficult for you to comprehend, given your own probable situation, but i have friends who actually listen to and value my opinion, so much so that they will most likely repeat the opinion to thier friends. This is a concept called "word of mouth" and as everyone who has ever been involved in any kind of business knows it can kill your customer base off faster than anything else.
The difference between I and you telling our friends about our experiences with this game are that they can confirm my opinion by playing themselves away from me, while you will have to lean over thier shoulder and blindfold them whenever one of the obvious bugs pop up so that they don't see that your blind fanaticism is clouding your judgement.
Multitudes, where, titles ? Pretty damn sure the definition of multitudes of games is not 2 or 3 un-confirmed speculations.
Frankly, after a month, my patience is exhausted both with this game and with listening to the prattle of mindless rednecks like yourself, continue to post in my thread if you must but i will no longer respond as it's becoming very boring talking to the 1001th fanboy clone and having to translate words like bub, blah blah blah and waaambulance into something an adult mind can comprehend and respond to.

Problem?

[Lohe]

Im with you mathew concerning the patience. Its now nearby 6 weeks since release and nothing has changed. Cool, we can buy avatar things and new content. Great investment, if parts of the main engine doesnt work so far. But there was a small announcement that there will be a title update#1 lately. I dont see it so far. Now with the release of the MAC version and new upcoming problems on this plattform I dont expect any update on the xbox-version of this game. If you summarize all reported bugs, its easier to program a new game instead of patching an existing one. Even if there would be an update, it wont fix all of the errors. Im sure.



And all these fanboys wont help to improve the games quality. They should just shut up. Without critic voices there cant be any progress. See history.

[Crimzon Nutcase]

Lohe wrote...

Im with you mathew concerning the patience. Its now nearby 6 weeks since release and nothing has changed. Cool, we can buy avatar things and new content. Great investment, if parts of the main engine doesnt work so far. But there was a small announcement that there will be a title update#1 lately. I dont see it so far. Now with the release of the MAC version and new upcoming problems on this plattform I dont expect any update on the xbox-version of this game. If you summarize all reported bugs, its easier to program a new game instead of patching an existing one. Even if there would be an update, it wont fix all of the errors. Im sure.

And all these fanboys wont help to improve the games quality. They should just shut up. Without critic voices there cant be any progress. See history.

Who ever said I was a fanboy? Also the Mods did announce that the update will surface with the new dlc and that you WON'T have to buy the dlc to get said patch. You all are pessimistic, I mean sheesh. You wanna talk about long turn around time for a fix? You should have played Rainbow six vegas 2 when it was first released. They had so many 10 year olds crying because they got, "spawn camped" Know what they did? They destroyed the game play by putting in random respawns, know how long it took to get them to remedy this? 6 MONTHS. So six weeks vs 6 months.... And that was Ubisoft, which has the worlds shottiest customer service. At least the people here have responded to our complaints. You want amazing customer service? Go to Bungie they are amazing.

[Kavva]

Is it me or the avarage Xbox user have mental problems ;P Stop whining and play it on PC (no issues here..) kkthxbb

[Crimzon Nutcase]

Kavva wrote...

Is it me or the avarage Xbox user have mental problems ;P Stop whining and play it on PC (no issues here..) kkthxbb

Good thing I'm not average. As for the other guy, Problem?

[mathewgurney]

Kavva wrote...

Is it me or the avarage Xbox user have mental problems ;P Stop whining and play it on PC (no issues here..) kkthxbb

It's you, the only post you've managed in eight days or ever "love that profile button" is completely facetious and patently untrue, (no issues here..) is far from the truth even on the much more well-supported PC version which you would see for yourself if you visited the correct forum for the platform version you're playing. 

[Ernest Ixen]

Kavva wrote...

Is it me or the avarage Xbox user have mental problems ;P Stop whining and play it on PC (no issues here..) kkthxbb

Please, please crawl back under your PC rock.  Why you are even posting under a 360 section when you don't own the 360 version is a mystery to me.  Do you seriously troll the 360 forum waiting for someone to make a comment about the 360 version and think to yourself, "how can I throw gas on this fire?"

However, I should thank you.  Your post encouraged me to go through my old post and make sure I was posting under the right forum.  Thanks to your PC Hurbris, I was able to relocate one of my post to the correct forum.

Now as for the sarcastic pseudo-fanboy (Crimzon Nutcase).

[Statements not worth quoting]

Your satisfaction with this game (or Bioware's work on this game) is based on what?  Do you even know the origin of, "when all else fails, go for the eyes".  Go ahead and Google it or Wikipedia it as I imagine that you fall under that generation.  By going through the forums you can tell the old school rpg gamers for the new ones.  The old were expecting a game that works and received a game that does not work.  The new ones got to see boobies and half-arsed romance scenes and got that funny feeling in their pants.

[Crimzon Nutcase]

Ernest Ixen wrote...

Kavva wrote...

Is it me or the avarage Xbox user have mental problems ;P Stop whining and play it on PC (no issues here..) kkthxbb

Please, please crawl back under your PC rock.  Why you are even posting under a 360 section when you don't own the 360 version is a mystery to me.  Do you seriously troll the 360 forum waiting for someone to make a comment about the 360 version and think to yourself, "how can I throw gas on this fire?"

However, I should thank you.  Your post encouraged me to go through my old post and make sure I was posting under the right forum.  Thanks to your PC Hurbris, I was able to relocate one of my post to the correct forum.

Now as for the sarcastic pseudo-fanboy (Crimzon Nutcase).

[Statements not worth quoting]

Your satisfaction with this game (or Bioware's work on this game) is based on what?  Do you even know the origin of, "when all else fails, go for the eyes".  Go ahead and Google it or Wikipedia it as I imagine that you fall under that generation.  By going through the forums you can tell the old school rpg gamers for the new ones.  The old were expecting a game that works and received a game that does not work.  The new ones got to see boobies and half-arsed romance scenes and got that funny feeling in their pants.

BOOBIES!!! Wowies! I missed dem boobays. Now seriously, yes I know the term. I'm 20, not stupid. I guess I was just one of the lucky ones to not get hit by the hurrendous bugs that I hear of. However I did get hit by the achievement glitch. My beef isn't with him saying the game is flawed or not. It's with him whining so much over something they promised to fix, they just asked for patients. Also the guys at bioware at least do something compared to mutiple other companies as I've already referenced Ubisoft's major folley on Rainbow Six. What's the point in whining, **** if you're a gamer then go game don't sit here whining about how broke your saved **** is. Plus if this dude is oldschool, that means he's prolly 30-40 and if so, why is he whining like a 2 year old? Hmmm? Also using the most cliche of xbox live combacks, REDNECK, LAWLS...You old farts make me roflcopter.

[StaticSilence]

Stop buying games on the day they are released. Then read up in it's forums to find if there are gamebreaking bugs before you buy.



It will save us the grief of accidentally reading unnecessary posts like these.

[Lohe]

Crimzon Nutcase wrote...

Lohe wrote...

Im with you mathew concerning the patience. Its now nearby 6 weeks since release and nothing has changed. Cool, we can buy avatar things and new content. Great investment, if parts of the main engine doesnt work so far. But there was a small announcement that there will be a title update#1 lately. I dont see it so far. Now with the release of the MAC version and new upcoming problems on this plattform I dont expect any update on the xbox-version of this game. If you summarize all reported bugs, its easier to program a new game instead of patching an existing one. Even if there would be an update, it wont fix all of the errors. Im sure.

And all these fanboys wont help to improve the games quality. They should just shut up. Without critic voices there cant be any progress. See history.

Who ever said I was a fanboy? Also the Mods did announce that the update will surface with the new dlc and that you WON'T have to buy the dlc to get said patch. You all are pessimistic, I mean sheesh. You wanna talk about long turn around time for a fix? You should have played Rainbow six vegas 2 when it was first released. They had so many 10 year olds crying because they got, "spawn camped" Know what they did? They destroyed the game play by putting in random respawns, know how long it took to get them to remedy this? 6 MONTHS. So six weeks vs 6 months.... And that was Ubisoft, which has the worlds shottiest customer service. At least the people here have responded to our complaints. You want amazing customer service? Go to Bungie they are amazing.

Hello.

Maybe. I havent played RSV2, but a bit  Ghost Recon in times Ubisoft was good enough to spend money in. So youre right in this point. But I wont go anywhere with DAO, because I have bought this game. My version isnt pirated so I dont see ANY reason to shut up or to go somewhere else. This is the bioware forum and even if they dont show up, they will read. Im sure in a few weeks they want to get rid off it and develop the update! As usuall, as on other games. Its always the same. Now one time more on Bioware.

[p4t4]

i have finished 4 playthroughs with all the problems and bugs. it DOES suck but, i dont have to play, i choose to. there are lots of problems with the game, i am trying to be patient that they will fix. all of us paid for the game and we certainly have the right to complain and expect them to fix it. to be fair, i have read alot of threads on this forum about problems players cause themselves, the corrupt saves because players try to use thr redcliffe cheat, getting stuck in orzamar because they go too far into each side before picking harrow. or bhelen, getting stuck because you sold something to wade and then completed the scale quests and get locked out. these are just a few of the most common and these are players fault, not the game. bottom line is yes, you paid for it and it sucks to feel ripped off but, you DONT HAVE TO PLAY! quit if you dont like it, cry if you must or voice your complaints here and soldier on. good gaming to you all, even the rednecks

[ReverendJynx]

I don't believe the rant is in the correct place because it isn't stating a request for help regarding a technical issue.



That aside, has anyone here honestly tried their hand at some real honest to goodness programming? Further, programming that is broken up between teams working on specific areas and trying to make them all fit and work together? This is a huge process and rarely is it perfect.



When trying to correct issues with a piece of software, especially one already released, they need to be even more careful. They need to make sure whatever they do doesn't break anything else and go through the code with a fine-toothed comb to locate the problem bit. This (depending on the amount of code) can be very daunting and will in fact take a while to accomplish.



With all the alleged game-breaking bugs, I managed to make my way through the game 7 times with only only bug (Redcliff) requiring a reload of a previous save.



While not perfect and acknowledging the bugs, the game is still pretty damn great. Could it be better? Yes. Is it worthy of a trash bin? Not really.



Regarding the length of time to get patched, on the console they have to go through a few more checks and balances because they deal with MS and Live. Any updates and patches need to go through the process they have set up because of liability. For example say a vindictive ex employee had slipped a final bit of code in the patch that threw up hardcore porn. The updates are checked and tripple checked to make sure malicious code doesn't hit us with a simple patch.



In a perfect world everything worked perfectly the first time every time. We don't live in a perfect world. If you think you do, get out of your mother's basement.



Sorry you don't like the game. Someone will enjoy a discounted copy for Christmas.





Remember folks, whining and moaning won't solve anything. If you have an issue, present it appropriately, succinctly, and with a solution or idea if possible. The folks working on it have a hard enough time taking care of the problems without having to swim through the morass of textual sludge just to find the few gems of insight they may need or like to see to help make their job easier.