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[Crimzon Nutcase]

ReverendJynx wrote...

I don't believe the rant is in the correct place because it isn't stating a request for help regarding a technical issue.

That aside, has anyone here honestly tried their hand at some real honest to goodness programming? Further, programming that is broken up between teams working on specific areas and trying to make them all fit and work together? This is a huge process and rarely is it perfect.

When trying to correct issues with a piece of software, especially one already released, they need to be even more careful. They need to make sure whatever they do doesn't break anything else and go through the code with a fine-toothed comb to locate the problem bit. This (depending on the amount of code) can be very daunting and will in fact take a while to accomplish.

With all the alleged game-breaking bugs, I managed to make my way through the game 7 times with only only bug (Redcliff) requiring a reload of a previous save.

While not perfect and acknowledging the bugs, the game is still pretty damn great. Could it be better? Yes. Is it worthy of a trash bin? Not really.

Regarding the length of time to get patched, on the console they have to go through a few more checks and balances because they deal with MS and Live. Any updates and patches need to go through the process they have set up because of liability. For example say a vindictive ex employee had slipped a final bit of code in the patch that threw up hardcore porn. The updates are checked and tripple checked to make sure malicious code doesn't hit us with a simple patch.

In a perfect world everything worked perfectly the first time every time. We don't live in a perfect world. If you think you do, get out of your mother's basement.

Sorry you don't like the game. Someone will enjoy a discounted copy for Christmas.


Remember folks, whining and moaning won't solve anything. If you have an issue, present it appropriately, succinctly, and with a solution or idea if possible. The folks working on it have a hard enough time taking care of the problems without having to swim through the morass of textual sludge just to find the few gems of insight they may need or like to see to help make their job easier.

p4t4 wrote...

i have finished 4 playthroughs with all the
problems and bugs. it DOES suck but, i dont have to play, i choose to.
there are lots of problems with the game, i am trying to be patient
that they will fix. all of us paid for the game and we certainly have
the right to complain and expect them to fix it. to be fair, i have
read alot of threads on this forum about problems players cause
themselves, the corrupt saves because players try to use thr redcliffe
cheat, getting stuck in orzamar because they go too far into each side
before picking harrow. or bhelen, getting stuck because you sold
something to wade and then completed the scale quests and get locked
out. these are just a few of the most common and these are players
fault, not the game. bottom line is yes, you paid for it and it sucks
to feel ripped off but, you DONT HAVE TO PLAY! quit if you dont like
it, cry if you must or voice your complaints here and soldier on. good
gaming to you all, even the rednecks

^this. These two guys got it down pat, except p4t4 had to make reference to my sun-burned neck. Oh well.

[Taiko Roshi]

Crimzon Nutcase wrote...

Heartlocker wrote...

Damn, a waaaahbulance? What the **** are you talking about? What he said is TRUE, people got shafted due the game breaking glitches and broken quests. Go **** yourself if you cannot see how many people are suffering from this.

DA:O is the aborted child of EA as they want Mass Effect 2 to be great and awesome, the flagship of BW. They rushed this game and left us to our own devices, not to mention they announce a DLC before a patch right away.

Are you kidding me, nobody deserves this, nobody.

Aight buddy you gotta calm down. For one you make too many assumptions about companies, and I highly doubt that they would intentionally flake on their own products, especially with one that has so much money invested in out of their own pockets. Plus has someone come out and stated that, " We here at EA thought it would be such a smart idea to, skimp on DA: O and then just beef the **** out of ME2." Yeah don't think so bub.

He totally needs the waaaaaahbulance, it's these types of pansy antics that prove how pathetic people can get. He thinks that the Devs from EA/BW are actually reading these boards? LOL fail much? The admins here aren't the game designers, they're just enforcers of rules and regs. People like the OP and YOU are the ones who blame the admins who are just doing their job to give you news and help you with tech issues.


So yeah you and him need to simma down naow, or Ima have ta call da waaaaaahbulance. Merry Christmas

Geez, you must have a really SLIM grasp on reality if you think this is how it works in the real world. Stop playing fantasy games and go outside. As for "getting help with tech issues" you must really be a ****ing newbie to this section of the forums, because there is ****ing very little help for any issue. Good day, idiot.

And the whole lets be patient and wait is starting to be a total joke. What is next from you insipid fanboys, when EA/BW bundle the patch with the DLC and force us to pay for the patch, you will be saying its ok?

Modifié par Taiko Roshi, 25 décembre 2009 - 12:16 .

[ReverendJynx]

Taiko,

This forum is for technical problems and solutions. If you don't have anything constructive to add to the topics you have been spamming with your negative and off topic comments, please desist.

At the very least, keep it to the correct area of the forums. For example the general discussion section. Further, the insults are not necessary, and if you wish to be taken seriously you would do well to find another way to communicate your frustration. Tantrums are a great age indicator.

Thank you.

_______

This whole thread doesn't even belong here but alas here it is. So to address the technical aspect of the few issues mentioned in the OP... A few of the bugs can be worked around if one actually takes their time and is patient. The other more serious ones, until a patch comes out you are stuck.

I do find it odd how many people don't hit these bugs while a few do. It would be interesting to see a session ran side by side to determine what is being done to actually cause the bugs. If the devs are having a difficult time reproducing the bugs reliably it will take them a bit more time to pin down the issues.

I believe if the devs reported the progress or had someone from the team do so on a blog or the like it would go a long way towards aleviating the tension many of the frustrations of the impatient bunch.

Modifié par ReverendJynx, 25 décembre 2009 - 01:32 .

[Crimzon Nutcase]

ReverendJynx wrote...

Taiko,

This forum is for technical problems and solutions. If you don't have anything constructive to add to the topics you have been spamming with your negative and off topic comments, please desist.

At the very least, keep it to the correct area of the forums. For example the general discussion section. Further, the insults are not necessary, and if you wish to be taken seriously you would do well to find another way to communicate your frustration. Tantrums are a great age indicator.

Thank you.

_______

This whole thread doesn't even belong here but alas here it is. So to address the technical aspect of the few issues mentioned in the OP... A few of the bugs can be worked around if one actually takes their time and is patient. The other more serious ones, until a patch comes out you are stuck.

I do find it odd how many people don't hit these bugs while a few do. It would be interesting to see a session ran side by side to determine what is being done to actually cause the bugs. If the devs are having a difficult time reproducing the bugs reliably it will take them a bit more time to pin down the issues.

I believe if the devs reported the progress or had someone from the team do so on a blog or the like it would go a long way towards aleviating the tension many of the frustrations of the impatient bunch.

Rev, dude you took the words right out of my mouth, but alass our words are futile here. As so many of the people would rather be bitter and angry than to take the time and cool down, and stop with the BS. Takio is just a pessimist. Almost every time I see his posts in other threads they're bad mouthing the company or b!tching about something else. Also I've been noticing a lot of the people who have had serious problems with bugs, have been using exploits in the game like the redcliff glitch.

[mathewgurney]

Tantrums "to use your derogatory word" or rather PROTESTS do not indicate age, they indicate personality and individualism in a person, the will to not simply bend over and take what's given to them no matter how much they truthfully dislike it. Sadly the majority of people these days seem willing to exist as good little citizen drones happy to bow and scrape, curtail thier own rights for the sake of staying on the good side of the man, simply out of weakness and fear. Condemning revolutionary spirit and seeking to emulate or aspiring to be the unjust systems enforcers are common denominators of this spineless type. Normally this type of personality grows from a privileged background where during development it does not face many of lifes challenges that others experience, thus not developing any kind of defense mechanism skills other than conformity and the occasional bit of brown-nosing. Followers of the major mono-theistic religions are excellent archetypes of this form of human, being willing to completely abrogate responsibility for any decision they might make in thier life in favour of some un-knowable entity making it for them, which frankly is quite sickening to me.

This may be titled "xbox360 tech support" forum but frankly there is no seperate "xbox360 discussion" forum so any threads relating directly to this platform should in my opinion be quite at home here whether they be tech or gameplay related. Although shortly i fear we will see a moderator pop in to delete and censor in response to the plaintive call of one of the fanboys here.

Taiko Roshi had a good point which has gone un-answered surprisingly, theoretically should Bioware/EA choose to make us pay for the upcoming patch WHAT would your response be Crimzon Nutcase and ReverendJynx ?

Modifié par mathewgurney, 25 décembre 2009 - 03:39 .

[Crimzon Nutcase]

mathewgurney wrote...

Tantrums "to use your derogatory word" or rather PROTESTS do not indicate age, they indicate personality and individualism in a person, the will to not simply bend over and take what's given to them no matter how much they truthfully dislike it. Sadly the majority of people these days seem willing to exist as good little citizen drones happy to bow and scrape, curtail thier own rights for the sake of staying on the good side of the man, simply out of weakness and fear. Condemning revolutionary spirit and seeking to emulate or aspiring to be the unjust systems enforcers are common denominators of this spineless type. Normally this type of personality grows from a privileged background where during development it does not face many of lifes challenges that others experience, thus not developing any kind of defense mechanism skills other than conformity and the occasional bit of brown-nosing. Followers of the major mono-theistic religions are excellent archetypes of this form of human, being willing to completely abrogate responsibility for any decision they might make in thier life in favour of some un-knowable entity making it for them, which frankly is quite sickening to me.

This may be titled "xbox360 tech support" forum but frankly there is no seperate "xbox360 discussion" forum so any threads relating directly to this platform should in my opinion be quite at home here whether they be tech or gameplay related. Although shortly i fear we will see a moderator pop in to delete and censor in response to the plaintive call of one of the fanboys here.

Taiko Roshi had a good point which has gone un-answered surprisingly, theoretically should Bioware/EA choose to make us pay for the upcoming patch WHAT would your response be Crimzon Nutcase and ReverendJynx ?

MATTY!! You're speaking to me again, you don't know how happy that makes me. I'm giddy to the brim!
/sarcasm

You sir are making this about more than a video game, you're throwing religion and conformity into the mix. It's not about any of those things. I'm betting you're also the person who sees something like Transformers Revenge of the Fallen and turns the Twins into a scapegoat for racism. Seriously bub you're quite rediculous.

Oh and to answer your bad theory question. I'm buying the DLC when it hits the marketplace, so I don't care if I get the patch that way or not it's mine (que evil laugh).

One more thing!!! uMAD? I can tell you are. I see you getting mad.

[mathewgurney]

I'm speaking to you to give you an opportunity to actually demonstrate that you have a point and to back it up with some kind of demonstrable motivation in an attempt to redeem yourself and prove you're not simply a "redneck fanboy" as has been posited. Your post seems to suggest that you wish to remain as such and have no interest in entering the discussion on an actual logical basis however which is sad but im willing to keep trying as i know you're only young and trying to open people's minds a little is amusing to me.
No subject can be divorced from the motivations of those considering it, to think it can is foolish and short sighted, religion and conformity are enmeshed with all subjects whether you like it or not. I hope for your sake that you don't actually bet on anything of importance, your intuition is way off the mark, i've never seen that film and i'm an avid racist so i probably wouldn't respond to it in the way you think anyway even should i choose to watch such childish trash.
I didn't actually mention the DLC at all in my question which you failed to notice maybe due to being so keen to reply with emotive giggling but let me re-phrase the question so you can less easily avoid its thrust with banality and actually answer truthfully if you so wish.
If Bioware/EA package and charge for the patch seperately from the DLC, would you be happy to pay for it ? I understand that you may be in an early life-position where funds have less meaning for you than some, so try to imagine yourself with responsibilities, dependants and a budget and then answer if you still think it would be fair.
Contrary to what you may think i have no emotional investment in you at all at this point, i simply find discussion interesting. Could you possibly focus on an intelligent response ? Trying to bait me truly is pointless and will only get you ignored again which i know you don't want seeing the overflowing happiness however masked with sarcasm with which you greeted my re-opening of communications.

Modifié par mathewgurney, 25 décembre 2009 - 05:08 .

[AiTenshi1]

ReverendJynx offers decent insight, folks. I'd like to add that people need to look at the company doing the CONSOLE versions (Edge of Reality) rather than attempting to blame Bioware or EA for all console problems.



DA: O has problems, certainly. However, it's interesting to me that as a gamer since Pong and with experience in programming and analysis, I have not experienced the so-called "game breaking" bugs that various people claim. I have seen some bugs, yes, but nothing game breaking by any means.



With respect to voicing feedback, there are positive and negative ways to offer input for anything. The OP isn't the most negative on the forums, but the specific tone and choice of phrasing is certainly not helpful for any type of effort meant to correct and resolve issues.



Some people compare Bioware and Bethesda, and I think that this is apt as far as game complexity is concerned. Bethesda is also known for having many bugs in their software, but people enjoy their games anyway. Many people do, at least, and those that don't go elsewhere, I'm sure. Likewise for Bioware, or any other company in any industry.



Of course, Bioware and EA exist due to customers, and they are not deliberately attempting to offend anyone either with specific content or with issues and bugs. You may want to try voicing complaints in a helpful, constructive way rather than simply offering insults and accusations.

[ReverendJynx]

I won't hit on the trolling comments because it detracts from the issue but I shall address the pointed question which was posed.



If I were forced to pay for a patch we must first make the presumption that the company would be unbelievably naive enough to think they could get away with it. If this is to be so we may suspend belief in the plausible so be it.



I would make a decision based on a few factors:

1. Does the game work for me as is?

2. Will the patch actually fix anything that requires fixing?

3. Can I still make a return for my full amount?

4. Am I capable of enjoying the game?

5. Am I ok in continuing to support a company that would extort it's clientele to milk even more money from them after they are already paying overly inflated prices?



Were they to actually force me to buy a patch for a completely broken game I would return the game. If unable to return the game I would consider each purchase from the company very carefully, and not buy a particular game of interest until it has been out for 6 months at the very least. Likely I wouldn't support the company further and report them to the Better Business Bureau.



The reason I didn't bother to address the original question is because it wasn't on topic and smells of troll. An inflammatory question was posed that goes beyond what is reasonable just to fan the flames.



Surely one such as yourself who can manage to use your brand new Christmas thesaurus could see that.



By the way the tantrums are indicative of age due to the nature of a tantrum. Tantrums are generally thrown by children. Adults can throw them however at that point they are acting like a child. Hence the tantrum throwing babies on the forums complaining and moaning in an nonconstructive manner in the wrong place.

Using extremes in your arguments to justify your position is a logic fallacy which will weaken your argument further. As I said, one can make their mind known without whining, crying, bleating, moaning, etc. State your point, leave the insults out, and make sure you can support your stance.



It isn't rocket science.

[ReverendJynx]

mathewgurney wrote...

... so try to imagine yourself with responsibilities, dependants and a budget and then answer if you still think it would be fair.

If it is really that tough, why are you spending the money on the game to begin with? Sorry the argument fails on so many levels and in so many ways.

Anyway, I'm done here as this thread is off topic.

[mathewgurney]

ReverendJynx wrote.

Anyway, I'm done here as this thread is off topic.

So glad, that was some quite stunningly boring and emotionless posting, goodbye. 
How do people of that ilk manage to ever have relationships or even get up in the morning without having some semblance of a personality to keep them motivated ?  Just like the damn tranquil in the mages tower, thankfully we have data entry and file sorting jobs so we can get some use from them before they inevitably expire from embolisms caused by being forced to interact with actual real emotional human beings instead of badly voice-acted AI when thier game platform breaks down.

Quick we need moderators here ! i'm having opinions and i can't express them in binary because i keep having these .... feelings like im.... alive or something. Error ! Error !

Waits for the sound of jackboots...................

Modifié par mathewgurney, 25 décembre 2009 - 09:07 .

[mathewgurney]

AiTenshi1 wrote...

ReverendJynx offers decent insight, folks. I'd like to add that people need to look at the company doing the CONSOLE versions (Edge of Reality) rather than attempting to blame Bioware or EA for all console problems.

I make a point of not listening to anyone with reverend before thier name, religious people are well-known to be completely insane.  Who do you think is responsible for hiring, paying and monitoring the work of "Edge of Reality" if not Bioware/EA ?  And this whole thread is about the console version, why the need to capitalise a moot point.

[Crimzon Nutcase]

mathewgurney wrote...

AiTenshi1 wrote...

ReverendJynx offers decent insight, folks. I'd like to add that people need to look at the company doing the CONSOLE versions (Edge of Reality) rather than attempting to blame Bioware or EA for all console problems.

I make a point of not listening to anyone with reverend before thier name, religious people are well-known to be completely insane.  Who do you think is responsible for hiring, paying and monitoring the work of "Edge of Reality" if not Bioware/EA ?  And this whole thread is about the console version, why the need to capitalise a moot point.

You sir are just an angry pile of sad. You say you have personality and blah blah blah...yet you make a very high point that you can't stand religions. Hate to break it to you buddy but most people with a religious poise are more colorful than anyone including the ones at parades. Also not EVERYTHING is enmeshed with religion and politics. People like YOU are the ones that make anything be symbolic of religion and whatnot. I can tell you need love. However you won't get it from me, and probably not any female. Good luck with your fail and a sock.

[mathewgurney]

Ok what you did there is called transference, it's a psychological term describing how someone imposes thier own desires and mores onto another, simply expressing what they find distasteful in thier own personality as an insult to another usually as part of a denial mechanism.
From your post we can conclude that you once saw a parade "possibly religious", didn't really understand it but thought it was quite colourful and fun, you're frustrated that you can't seem to achieve a sense of receiving love from a female "your mother/sister maybe ?" and so are thinking about homosexuality as an option to give you a sense of happiness but you are reluctant to commit to this as you are inhibited "probably by a christian upbringing", so in the meantime you are going to perform some auto-erotic "masturbation" activities involving a sock.
And people tell ME im off-topic !
Perhaps seeing as you are only 20 you should wait 5-10 years before deciding what your real opinions on things are and shouting about them on the internet, it's possible that you may feel differently later and it can be hard to change things once you've stated them publicly, you may be forced into living/acting in a way you don't really want to simply for the purposes of continuity.
Still not really sure what purpose you put that sock to, strange what people get up to, but i'm pretty sure that any major religion out there will frown upon whatever bizarre form of footwear related sexual activity it is.

Modifié par mathewgurney, 25 décembre 2009 - 11:08 .

[mathewgurney]

This is the best thread ever btw, thanks everyone for contributing, it's nice to have some freedom from the mods once in a while, should have posted in this forum earlier. Helpful as an informer early warning system too, they never come here obviously so as soon as one comes in here we're gonna know exactly whos been running to mama crying and can update our grass/rat filters accordingly. If you see any of my posts deleted in the near future you know what's happened, in which case thx for the fun and good-bye /wave.

[Crimzon Nutcase]

mathewgurney wrote...

Ok what you did there is called transference, it's a psychological term describing how someone imposes thier own desires and mores onto another, simply expressing what they find distasteful in thier own personality as an insult to another usually as part of a denial mechanism.
From your post we can conclude that you once saw a parade "possibly religious", didn't really understand it but thought it was quite colourful and fun, you're frustrated that you can't seem to achieve a sense of receiving love from a female "your mother/sister maybe ?" and so are thinking about homosexuality as an option to give you a sense of happiness but you are reluctant to commit to this as you are inhibited "probably by a christian upbringing", so in the meantime you are going to perform some auto-erotic "masturbation" activities involving a sock.
And people tell ME im off-topic !
Perhaps seeing as you are only 20 you should wait 5-10 years before deciding what your real opinions on things are and shouting about them on the internet, it's possible that you may feel differently later and it can be hard to change things once you've stated them publicly, you may be forced into living/acting in a way you don't really want to simply for the purposes of continuity.
Still not really sure what purpose you put that sock to, strange what people get up to, but i'm pretty sure that any major religion out there will frown upon whatever bizarre form of footwear related sexual activity it is.

Q_Q You made me sad. My poor defenseless 20 year old feelings are hurt.

I might be a sociopath, slightly homicidal, but I'm not homosexual. Nor am I in dispute with my sister/mother. Your entire post was incorrect. Maybe you're the one harnessing the ouchies of transference as you seem to display too much hatred. Probably from a drunk father/mother, maybe you were abused by a priest. That could explain your hatred towards religion. OH I hate to tell you though you keep mispelling their, I mean you've done it in every one of your posts. You're sooo worried to have everything correct but you're so anal about it that you miss one small word. It's their not thier, and I don't know if you've noticed or not but you suck at psychology. 


I'll leave you to whatever ill-witted retort you have for your next post. As I'm sure you're running out of words in your word a day calender to use.

[Crimzon Nutcase]

mathewgurney wrote...

This is the best thread ever btw, thanks everyone for contributing, it's nice to have some freedom from the mods once in a while, should have posted in this forum earlier. Helpful as an informer early warning system too, they never come here obviously so as soon as one comes in here we're gonna know exactly whos been running to mama crying and can update our grass/rat filters accordingly. If you see any of my posts deleted in the near future you know what's happened, in which case thx for the fun and good-bye /wave.

You fail as a troll but even worse a human.

[Fates end]

Guys (or girls) this is really getting pathetic.... stop please.



ON-topic: What game-breaking bugs are you talking about? I haven't really seen any specifically mentioned, and I've yet to encounter anything I'd call a bug. Could someone clarify this?

[mathewgurney]

Aha, so it was your sister not your mother, your father was a drunk, and you were sexually abused by a priest ? Damn i feel bad for you bub, perhaps i could call a waaahmbulance to offer you some assistance as long as you promise not to get "slightly homicidal" and half/partially kill them.

I'm sorry if i mis-diagnosed you to any degree, perhaps if you could further explain exactly what the "sock" comment WAS really all about we could achieve a new plateau of understanding and get some real healing going on up in here. I can feel the love, can you ?

[mathewgurney]

I'm just screwing around Fates end, don't take it too seriously, he did ask for it lol. Damn you don't see any bugs ? Read this forum, we got pages and pages of them.

[Crimzon Nutcase]

Fates end wrote...

Guys (or girls) this is really getting pathetic.... stop please.

ON-topic: What game-breaking bugs are you talking about? I haven't really seen any specifically mentioned, and I've yet to encounter anything I'd call a bug. Could someone clarify this?

The guy is a troll, he's just trying to enact a response LOL. However he fails upon this goal he has set.

mathewgurney wrote...

Aha, so it was your sister not your
mother, your father was a drunk, and you were sexually abused by a
priest ? Damn i feel bad for you bub, perhaps i could call a
waaahmbulance to offer you some assistance as long as you promise not
to get "slightly homicidal" and half/partially kill them.
I'm sorry
if i mis-diagnosed you to any degree, perhaps if you could further
explain exactly what the "sock" comment WAS really all about we could
achieve a new plateau of understanding and get some real healing going
on up in here. I can feel the love, can you ?

Sounds like you're mad. Trying to take control. Yet you've already lost it  Problem Operator?

[mathewgurney]

Still avoiding that sock issue eh ? Go on, explain it honestly and i'll stop, i promise.

[Crimzon Nutcase]

mathewgurney wrote...

Still avoiding that sock issue eh ? Go on, explain it honestly and i'll stop, i promise.

It's like preperation H it just feels good!!!

[mathewgurney]

Ok, i can appreciate true honesty, props to you. Let's end this hostility, however fun it might be.

I hate xmas but "happy non-denominational goodwill" to you !

[Crimzon Nutcase]

mathewgurney wrote...

Ok, i can appreciate true honesty, props to you. Let's end this hostility, however fun it might be.
I hate xmas but "happy non-denominational goodwill" to you !

Yeah well I hate non-denominational whatchamawhosit BUT..."Happy MotherFrackin Christmas".