You watch, now we resolved this peacefully the mods will come in and banhammer it all anyway damnit lol. Ah well, this troll is gonna crawl back under his stone before the sun comes up, catch ya later.
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Posté 26 décembre 2009 - 04:32
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ReverendJynx wrote...
Taiko,
This forum is for technical problems and solutions. If you don't have anything constructive to add to the topics you have been spamming with your negative and off topic comments, please desist.
At the very least, keep it to the correct area of the forums. For example the general discussion section. Further, the insults are not necessary, and if you wish to be taken seriously you would do well to find another way to communicate your frustration. Tantrums are a great age indicator.
Thank you.
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This whole thread doesn't even belong here but alas here it is. So to address the technical aspect of the few issues mentioned in the OP... A few of the bugs can be worked around if one actually takes their time and is patient. The other more serious ones, until a patch comes out you are stuck.
I do find it odd how many people don't hit these bugs while a few do. It would be interesting to see a session ran side by side to determine what is being done to actually cause the bugs. If the devs are having a difficult time reproducing the bugs reliably it will take them a bit more time to pin down the issues.
I believe if the devs reported the progress or had someone from the team do so on a blog or the like it would go a long way towards aleviating the tension many of the frustrations of the impatient bunch.
Got to love backseat moderators. How about you go **** yourself? Nothing like a sanctimonious fanboy trying to defend a game which is clearly broken and has not been fixed. Please tell me, do you like bending over and being shafted by EA/BW?
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Posté 26 décembre 2009 - 10:33
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Commenting here might be beating a dead horse but oh well - for the most part I agree with mathewgurney's initial post and find it very disappointing that the game is so unpolished on the consoles. The graphics are a mess and step backwards. I've hit some a few other technical snags here and there. I read about some gameplay issues that seem like massive oversights and it's hard to find a clear answer as to what exactly is broken and when things might be fixed.
That said, I also love that game, have put about 150 hours into it so far and still have a strong desire to keep playing and making new characters. I haven't run into any 'game-breaking' bugs. I'm sure I'll buy the new DLC and hopefully there is a patch that fixes some things. I'm sure the experience is better on the PC, but I strongly prefer consoles and didn't feel like upgrading my computer.
To me the whole of Dragon Age outweighs the sum of its parts. Every time I'm running around heinous looking environments like the Kokari Wilds I sigh and think, 'this game could have been epic with some more polish.' Then I just accept that instead it is just a very good game that I enjoy playing and offers someone like me exactly what they want from a video game when it comes to gameplay.
So yea, a lot of these things suck. But I've also had and continue to have a lot of fun playing it.
That said, I also love that game, have put about 150 hours into it so far and still have a strong desire to keep playing and making new characters. I haven't run into any 'game-breaking' bugs. I'm sure I'll buy the new DLC and hopefully there is a patch that fixes some things. I'm sure the experience is better on the PC, but I strongly prefer consoles and didn't feel like upgrading my computer.
To me the whole of Dragon Age outweighs the sum of its parts. Every time I'm running around heinous looking environments like the Kokari Wilds I sigh and think, 'this game could have been epic with some more polish.' Then I just accept that instead it is just a very good game that I enjoy playing and offers someone like me exactly what they want from a video game when it comes to gameplay.
So yea, a lot of these things suck. But I've also had and continue to have a lot of fun playing it.
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Posté 28 décembre 2009 - 12:18
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Well the game's gone back to the shop, maybe i'll pick it up again in a few months if it ever gets patched and patched to a good enough standard for me to care, and i don't have to pay for the patch lol. Hope all you people who are more patient than I get the fix you're waiting for soon and for free, but for me it's trade-in for a new copy of Oblivion and actually having fun rather than sitting around waiting for Bioware to get thier collective arses in gear. I guess if i was rich then i wouldn't have been so annoyed over all this but i got kids to feed and can only afford one game every couple of months so Bioware has really screwed all my free time for the last month and that gets me down, having a good relaxing session on the xbox is kinda my reward to myself and keeps me sane, somebody taking that away from me tends to be on my sh*tlist for a long time lol.
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Posté 28 décembre 2009 - 03:46
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Ok next topic... Prep H vs. Tucks. I prefer Tucks personally. It isn't bugged. I mean why the hell would anyone subject themselves to the brokenness of using their finger when Tucks clearly has the upper hand of having a nice little pad. Tucks went through quality control obviously.
Prep H is broken! Return it if they don't provide a free applicator!
Good lord I need a vacation from my vacation. Time to polish up the springer and hit the twisties.
Prep H is broken! Return it if they don't provide a free applicator!
Good lord I need a vacation from my vacation. Time to polish up the springer and hit the twisties.
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Posté 28 décembre 2009 - 03:58
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Stasis,
The clear bugs which need fixing are the memory leaks, character randomly running the wrong direction, messed up spawning, and certain quest related issues.
Yes they could have done with more polish. Like you I have put many hours into the game and feel that overall I got my money's worth.
Regarding PC vs. console, the PC currently has the upper hand in several areas. Graphics are better, you can create your own content, you can actually utilize tactics.
Sadly certain games don't port well to console but it was a decent attempt. A better way to port would probably be from console to PC since you can always tweak the PC version a bit easier. When going from PC to console you have to get rid of a lot of the functionality that only plays well via the PC.
It is still sad how much people while about something they feel they are entitled to without realizing the complexity of the task or having the skills required to do something about it themselves. If DA went the way of Alpha Protocol and got pushed back the week before release they would be complaining too.
Can't please everyone and no one should have to. I feel EA should have left things to Bioware to do properly but EA is... EA. Things will get sorted but it may take time. I've been able to put over 200 hours in so I'm good to go and can wait for the patch that fixes my supposedly "broken" game.
Happy Holidays
The clear bugs which need fixing are the memory leaks, character randomly running the wrong direction, messed up spawning, and certain quest related issues.
Yes they could have done with more polish. Like you I have put many hours into the game and feel that overall I got my money's worth.
Regarding PC vs. console, the PC currently has the upper hand in several areas. Graphics are better, you can create your own content, you can actually utilize tactics.
Sadly certain games don't port well to console but it was a decent attempt. A better way to port would probably be from console to PC since you can always tweak the PC version a bit easier. When going from PC to console you have to get rid of a lot of the functionality that only plays well via the PC.
It is still sad how much people while about something they feel they are entitled to without realizing the complexity of the task or having the skills required to do something about it themselves. If DA went the way of Alpha Protocol and got pushed back the week before release they would be complaining too.
Can't please everyone and no one should have to. I feel EA should have left things to Bioware to do properly but EA is... EA. Things will get sorted but it may take time. I've been able to put over 200 hours in so I'm good to go and can wait for the patch that fixes my supposedly "broken" game.
Happy Holidays
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Posté 28 décembre 2009 - 07:04
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ReverendJynx wrote...
Stasis,
The clear bugs which need fixing are the memory leaks, character randomly running the wrong direction, messed up spawning, and certain quest related issues.
I'd say saves corrupting during gameplay is a pretty big bug that should be fixed before these relatively minor annoyances that you've mentioned here.
Also, the game-stopping bug in Orzammar might be a pretty high second on that list.
Personally, I feel rather lucky that I made it through this game relatively unscathed...but I still feel for the people who haven't. I can't imagine putting 50-70 hours into a game that suddenly refuses to allow me to finish.
The fact that a patch still hasn't been released after almost two months is truly poor form by EA/Bioware.
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Posté 29 décembre 2009 - 07:19
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It's amazing in a way that I totally agree with the OP's... OP (Matthew's deviation into the mock insulting of Crimson was amusing too, props to you both).
I bought Dragon Age originally because of three major reasons: 1) I am anticipating Mass Effect 2. 2) I needed a quality RPG (note; not JRPG's as they all seem to be so derivative of each other nowadays I think they are injection moulded in some crazy factory) game and BioWare (usually) crafts those. 3) I couldn't remember the last time I played a dark gothic fantasy world... Actually I do, it was Gothic 2 I believe aroundabouts when it came out.
Now, I do actually have programming experience (and more to the point - game related programming experience) and yes I am aware of the complexities of balancing and even getting Microsoft/Sony certification for your patches but this is all besides the point. It's now been an appreciable amount of time since we have heard any whisperings about progress and frankly it's getting old.
If you enjoyed it, that's awesome! Just as many probably aren't enjoying the game for whatever reason (for me, it's the memory leaks that annoy me the most to the point where I have plain just stopped playing it).
It's a tired analogy to be sure but if you bought a house, you expect a house. You don't expect to buy a house without it's roof, even if said roof would be 'patched' in about a month afterwards.
I bought Dragon Age originally because of three major reasons: 1) I am anticipating Mass Effect 2. 2) I needed a quality RPG (note; not JRPG's as they all seem to be so derivative of each other nowadays I think they are injection moulded in some crazy factory) game and BioWare (usually) crafts those. 3) I couldn't remember the last time I played a dark gothic fantasy world... Actually I do, it was Gothic 2 I believe aroundabouts when it came out.
Now, I do actually have programming experience (and more to the point - game related programming experience) and yes I am aware of the complexities of balancing and even getting Microsoft/Sony certification for your patches but this is all besides the point. It's now been an appreciable amount of time since we have heard any whisperings about progress and frankly it's getting old.
If you enjoyed it, that's awesome! Just as many probably aren't enjoying the game for whatever reason (for me, it's the memory leaks that annoy me the most to the point where I have plain just stopped playing it).
It's a tired analogy to be sure but if you bought a house, you expect a house. You don't expect to buy a house without it's roof, even if said roof would be 'patched' in about a month afterwards.
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Posté 29 décembre 2009 - 09:04
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crimzon nutcase wrote...
go through the code with a fine-toothed comb to locate the problem bit.
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First off believe me its more then JUST a BIT of bad code . And would of been nice if they would of did said combing before they released the game. It just seems like more and more they just throw the game out with very little beta testing, Or beta tested by a bunch of either blind or mute people that cant SEE anything wrong or cant SPEAK to tell them of the bugs or problems.
I just can't shake the feeling that now a days it seems like i am paying these game makers to beta test their games for them. Then put out patches to try and fix things , and this is after they sell the game All my disdain goes to-words the beta testers its obvious they don't realize how important their job is.
And yes i do know its hard to make a game work on all systems . So if anyone at bioware
reads this (though i doubt it ) maybe let the testers buy a few different makes of computers with
different components in them . And not all top of the line stuff some high some low end stuff
that way you would avoid allot of this stuff. it just seems like you just beta test on one and thats it.
You would get better results and hopefully better feedback from your testers. And in turn have more
satisfied customers . thats if we mean anything to you guys other then just our $$$$.
I could list most of whats wrong with this game but, i really don't want to have to type so much. And most have already said them not all but most. come on don't you guys put any pride in your work seems like you don't,
I if i were you i would never say i worked on this game for 5 YEARS and released it in the state it was in. It might of been a good for a selling point .But i would keep that part quiet from now on. Its
nothing to be proud of trust me. So instead of ranting about it i chose to give suggestions to help you
out . Anyway i already have a few of my own posts where i was , lets just say not so nice : )
go through the code with a fine-toothed comb to locate the problem bit.
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First off believe me its more then JUST a BIT of bad code . And would of been nice if they would of did said combing before they released the game. It just seems like more and more they just throw the game out with very little beta testing, Or beta tested by a bunch of either blind or mute people that cant SEE anything wrong or cant SPEAK to tell them of the bugs or problems.
I just can't shake the feeling that now a days it seems like i am paying these game makers to beta test their games for them. Then put out patches to try and fix things , and this is after they sell the game All my disdain goes to-words the beta testers its obvious they don't realize how important their job is.
And yes i do know its hard to make a game work on all systems . So if anyone at bioware
reads this (though i doubt it ) maybe let the testers buy a few different makes of computers with
different components in them . And not all top of the line stuff some high some low end stuff
that way you would avoid allot of this stuff. it just seems like you just beta test on one and thats it.
You would get better results and hopefully better feedback from your testers. And in turn have more
satisfied customers . thats if we mean anything to you guys other then just our $$$$.
I could list most of whats wrong with this game but, i really don't want to have to type so much. And most have already said them not all but most. come on don't you guys put any pride in your work seems like you don't,
I if i were you i would never say i worked on this game for 5 YEARS and released it in the state it was in. It might of been a good for a selling point .But i would keep that part quiet from now on. Its
nothing to be proud of trust me. So instead of ranting about it i chose to give suggestions to help you
out . Anyway i already have a few of my own posts where i was , lets just say not so nice : )
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Posté 29 décembre 2009 - 09:18
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You should all be lucky they even made the deision to port it over to yor crappy console in the first place...thats where your probems are.
Should have been kept a PC only release, then it would have been out 6 months ago pretty much big free.
Nothing more to be said really is there?
Should have been kept a PC only release, then it would have been out 6 months ago pretty much big free.
Nothing more to be said really is there?
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Posté 29 décembre 2009 - 09:45
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Maviarab wrote...
You should all be lucky they even made the deision to port it over to yor crappy console in the first place...thats where your probems are.
Should have been kept a PC only release, then it would have been out 6 months ago pretty much big free.
Nothing more to be said really is there?
All right, I'll bite. Your ridiculous argument falls down on one 'simple' fact that is probably the most frustrating thing about this whole experience: The insides of a 360 are all the same. The same architecture, the same memory tricks, the same processing speed, the same quality of the RAM chips (give or take), the same memory footprint, the same process threading, the same graphics and audio pipeline, the same OS message pump!
I am willing to bet that I probably understand more about these things than you do (simply because you mentioned 'crappy console' which is amusing in and of itself) and I do not deny that the mere prospect of hunting for memory leaks is an incredibly daunting prospect (dragon age; for all I know, could be at least 600,000 lines of code) but I also know that it is per say easier than doing the same on a 'boring PC.'
Of course, how much time they were actually allowed to bugfix before it going gold is a private matter between BioWare and EA (which are now the one and the same) and therefore never going to leave the company itself, but the effects of memory leaks are stupidly obvious and you would think that EA/BW would be eager to the point of 'post-haste' to rectify the problem.
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Posté 29 décembre 2009 - 01:01
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Arijharn wrote...
It's a tired analogy to be sure but if you bought a house, you expect a house. You don't expect to buy a house without it's roof, even if said roof would be 'patched' in about a month afterwards.
Bad analogy. Nothing is missing from the game. A better one would be a pipe that didn't have a proper seal from a bad job sweating it. Or if you must use a roof then a shingle with a crack in it allowing water in.
The contractors get back and fix it as soon as they can get there and locate the problem and do the job.
Extremes hurt the argument more than they help it.
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Posté 30 décembre 2009 - 06:59
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ReverendJynx wrote...
Arijharn wrote...
It's a tired analogy to be sure but if you bought a house, you expect a house. You don't expect to buy a house without it's roof, even if said roof would be 'patched' in about a month afterwards.
Bad analogy. Nothing is missing from the game. A better one would be a pipe that didn't have a proper seal from a bad job sweating it. Or if you must use a roof then a shingle with a crack in it allowing water in.
The contractors get back and fix it as soon as they can get there and locate the problem and do the job.
Extremes hurt the argument more than they help it.
I honestly disagree with you in this case because Memory Leaks are probably the worst thing that can happen to a shipped product. If you want to argue technicalities then fine; technically you can live in a house with no roof as much as you can play and enjoy a game with memory leaks.
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Posté 30 décembre 2009 - 10:20
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Maviarab wrote...
You should all be lucky they even made the deision to port it over to yor crappy console in the first place...thats where your probems are.
Should have been kept a PC only release, then it would have been out 6 months ago pretty much big free.
Nothing more to be said really is there?
Well. Thats your point. My one describes more the positive financial impact on BW by releasing a console port too. You know, we pay not only a few bucks more that pc gamers for any game we buy. you pc gamer (the ones with the smaller pockets) are just a mass-market and thats why you can get nearby every game for just a few bucks right after release (come one...DAO for 40Euros in new condition...thats no money, thats a gift). The console version was about 70Euros for me. Thats nearby doubled in price. So dont come in here and tell me, the console port is crap and a port is a wrong decision. The higher the price, the better the quality. Just look into your pc....graphic card...which one? The best? I doubt it. The same is on a lot of others things...tools, cars, DLC, dogs, clothes...
With 5th January Im sure we will get a big positive hit on our gameplay again. Im sure BW has fixed some things. If the console version isnt selling okay, there wouldnt be support and RTO for console. So pc gamers should stop their whining/ bashing. Or is it because our version runs stutterless on our crappy consoles? ;-)
BW is on consoles gamer side - 5th January will prove that, no matter what pc gamers are want them to think :-)
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Posté 30 décembre 2009 - 11:08
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*smacks head on wall* Crap now I have a headache.
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I never said memory leaks weren't an issue or that they were minor. I simply pointed out the bad analogy.
A better way to use that missing roof analogy would be to ship the game with a missing character creator or perhaps missing the final battle and ending.
If you'll look a bit further back I mentioned the memory leaks as a fairly noticeable issue that I felt should be a priority. I rate it higher than a "game breaking" bug because of people trying to play both sides of the field in Orzamar. Corrupting saves? Sure. I haven't experienced it with my hundreds of hours playing but if it happens to others they need to find out what exactly is causing it. Who knows, maybe it is hardware related. What drives are people saving them on? 20GB, 120GB etc. Are they playing from the disc or HD? Perhaps it is the folks with huge drives or overfilled drives causing the game to react strangely because of the sectors the game tries to save to. Weird stuff happens.
At any rate I'm pissed because my xbox just RROD'd on me. Maybe I should blame Bioware and EA cause their game made me play it so much. I mean hell, 2 years and it worked great, I get this game and the damn thing dies on me
A better way to use that missing roof analogy would be to ship the game with a missing character creator or perhaps missing the final battle and ending.
If you'll look a bit further back I mentioned the memory leaks as a fairly noticeable issue that I felt should be a priority. I rate it higher than a "game breaking" bug because of people trying to play both sides of the field in Orzamar. Corrupting saves? Sure. I haven't experienced it with my hundreds of hours playing but if it happens to others they need to find out what exactly is causing it. Who knows, maybe it is hardware related. What drives are people saving them on? 20GB, 120GB etc. Are they playing from the disc or HD? Perhaps it is the folks with huge drives or overfilled drives causing the game to react strangely because of the sectors the game tries to save to. Weird stuff happens.
At any rate I'm pissed because my xbox just RROD'd on me. Maybe I should blame Bioware and EA cause their game made me play it so much. I mean hell, 2 years and it worked great, I get this game and the damn thing dies on me
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Posté 31 décembre 2009 - 07:18
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ReverendJynx wrote...
Arijharn wrote...
It's a tired analogy to be sure but if you bought a house, you expect a house. You don't expect to buy a house without it's roof, even if said roof would be 'patched' in about a month afterwards.
Bad analogy. Nothing is missing from the game. A better one would be a pipe that didn't have a proper seal from a bad job sweating it. Or if you must use a roof then a shingle with a crack in it allowing water in.
The contractors get back and fix it as soon as they can get there and locate the problem and do the job.
Extremes hurt the argument more than they help it.
I'd say that your analogy is equally bad. At least for those who have been more unlucky than you.
For the people who've experienced corrupted saves or legitimate game-stopping bugs, I'd say its more analogous to the roof caving in, rendering the home unlivable, and then the contractors (EA/Bioware) refusing to acknowledge or do anything about it for nearly two whole months and counting.
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They have not refused to acknowledge or do anything about it. It has been posted they are working on it.
Sorry you fail. If you are going to try and jump into a conversation with the big kids, make sure you can keep up. Thanks for adding nothing whatsoever to the conversation.
Sorry you fail. If you are going to try and jump into a conversation with the big kids, make sure you can keep up. Thanks for adding nothing whatsoever to the conversation.
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They have not refused to acknowledge or do anything about it. It has been posted they are working on it.
Sorry you fail. If you are going to try and jump into a conversation with the big kids, make sure you can keep up. Thanks for adding nothing whatsoever to the conversation.
Yes, they've done a fine job. Taking two months to "work on it", as you've so aptly put it. Until they actually fix it, talk is cheap.
Sorry, but you fail, with your pompous, condescending attitude. As if you're some mature adult, above it all, and the rest of us are just children "whining" about some unimportant bugs in a game that we've paid good money for. If you haven't experienced the game-stopping bugs or corrupting saves, you really have nothing to say about it.
I doubt you'd be defending Bioware/EA so much, if you did.
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