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#576
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RiptideX1090 wrote...

Nothing. 5000 War Assets, Refuse ending.

You get one option on the dialogue wheel and it adds nothing you did not already know.

Nothing.


Thank you Rip. you suffered so others wouldn't have to. I hereby honor your sacrifice by awarding you the Maurauder Shields Star of Bravery! Wear it with pride.:)

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Unschuld wrote...

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That's... sick, is his cabin?


Yeah, it just chills there... staring at you from the desk... while you have sexytime with your LI.


But you can at least choose to not bring it to the ship can't you? :unsure:

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HBC Dresden wrote...

So, what exactly is the new Catalyst dialogue?


Nothing the player wouldn't already know after completing Leviathan, just Catalyst acknowledgement of its creators and whatnot instead of the ambiguous line about Shepard not standing a chance of knowing them and there being no time to explain.

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I wonder if the Leviathans get green eyes in a synthesis slide...or the husk in Shep's cabin!

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Unschuld wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

That's... sick, is his cabin?


Yeah, it just chills there... staring at you from the desk... while you have sexytime with your LI.


I guess we found his new fetish.

*tries to ignore the image of a collection of heads screaming and whistling during the love making*

#581
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Was in it for the story . Didnt really care much for the ending so I don't see how I wasted my 10 bucks on this one .

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Ranger1337 wrote...

Was in it for the story . Didnt really care much for the ending so I don't see how I wasted my 10 bucks on this one .


In the coming weeks, perhaps months, perhaps eternity on the BSN, your voice will be drowned out by seven seas of angst. You'd do best to do what I do, and post such thoughts on other forums.

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RiptideX1090 wrote...

Nothing. 5000 War Assets, Refuse ending.

You get one option on the dialogue wheel and it adds nothing you did not already know.

Nothing.

Thanks for saving me 10$, seriously.

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darthnick427 wrote...

Ranger1337 wrote...

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Fawx9 wrote...

Velocithon wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

I just realized Shepard doesn't even ASK what the Catalyst is. It's the most crucial piece of intel in the war and he didn't bother asking the Leviathans about it.

Wow. Shoddy writing abounds.


You mean to leviathan? He wouldn't have known about it yet though.


He still knows he needs it(thoughnot sure what it is) at that point. Wouldn't he bother asking if these guys knew about it?


Leviathan flat out says they know of the Crucible. They knew of the lesser species creating it but it has failed times beyond counting. How woudld they know about the Catalyst when they didn't help create it, have little to no knowledge of it other than it's existance, and have been in self imposed exile on an unknown planet the last 50 billion years and killed anyone that came close to discovering them.


The Universe only existed for 6 billion years or so . Or did it? o_O


lol well I was just throwing a random number out there. it's probably much less. more around 2 billion I assume


Way more. Around 14 billion...

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JeffZero wrote...

Ranger1337 wrote...

Was in it for the story . Didnt really care much for the ending so I don't see how I wasted my 10 bucks on this one .


In the coming weeks, perhaps months, perhaps eternity on the BSN, your voice will be drowned out by seven seas of angst. You'd do best to do what I do, and post such thoughts on other forums.


I have a feeling it all will be for naught and only delay the inevitable...

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Ranger1337 wrote...

Was in it for the story . Didnt really care much for the ending so I don't see how I wasted my 10 bucks on this one .


Indeed. Bioware said a million times they weren't changing the ending. I don't know how many more they must say it before people get it through their skull.

Leviathan was a great piece of DLC. Well worth the $10.

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I though they'll try to sugar coat synthesis with this DLC. seem I was wrong...
(opposite, if you ask me)

also, the meeting with laviathan is way cooler than glowing kid.

#588
xlI ReFLeX lIx

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Well that's 10$ saved. I think I'll go buy a slush at the corner store now.

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SoldierGryphon wrote...

Ranger1337 wrote...

Was in it for the story . Didnt really care much for the ending so I don't see how I wasted my 10 bucks on this one .


Indeed. Bioware said a million times they weren't changing the ending. I don't know how many more they must say it before people get it through their skull.

Leviathan was a great piece of DLC. Well worth the $10.


EC wasn't going to change the endings either, because you know, they believe in the artistic vision of their writers :lol:

Modifié par mauro2222, 28 août 2012 - 04:32 .


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Is the ending affected at all? We were told it would have an effect on the ending.

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mauro2222 wrote...

HBC Dresden wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

"Each formed in Harbinger's image"... retcons, they just simply love them. Instead of changing textures they retcon things. How lazy is that?


Umm, actually the Catalyst implies this in the Extended Cut before Leviathan was released.


Not so literal, the retcon is still there though.

Not literal?
"If fire burn, is it at war, in conflit, or is it doing what it's programed to do...We(catalyst/reapers) are no different"

And then it tells you he is being forced.

The dlc is just bw bluntly stating it for the people who did not get it can get it.
 This is not a retcon. Just you being late getting it.

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Was really interested in this DLC.
But hearing that it's not all that great, and seeing that it doesn't look all that great on YouTube; I probably won't buy it.
Plus c'mon, Leviathan looks lame. He's probably only the size of the Normandy.

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ShepnTali wrote...

Is the ending affected at all? We were told it would have an effect on the ending.


It adds extra dialogue. They never said it would change the ending.

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xlI ReFLeX lIx

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ShepnTali wrote...

Is the ending affected at all? We were told it would have an effect on the ending.


You get an extra line from the Catalyst

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Velocithon wrote...

Riptide...you aren't done yet right? That can't be the only thing he says...


Feeling that sick feeling I get whenever I see Liara's image fizzle out after she explains they lost and the credits start, like this is somehow a valid excuse for an ending. There's nothing.

I can not recommend this DLC. It has some good ideas, but they're sadly ideas that have already been done. The Mech suit, but in another location, even if it is a cool one. The bit with EDI investigating the lab was great, too bad she gets nuked in Destroy, and it's just a rip of of Liara's apartment, even if the dialogue is amusing.

The characters introduced are weak at best, and they try too hard to be deep or emotional like with the ****ign Vent kid, only this time with Ann. And it falls so flat. The acting is atrocious, the dialogue is poor, and we ultimately do not care because we do not know the woman.

Hell, I feel more attachment to Grace Sato and Aethyta, and they didn't get their own DLC.

As for the Leviathans, they are an utter disappointment. They look like mini reapers made of coral. Finding Leviathan was interesting, but everything after he first enters the screen just goes downhill. No mention of the Catalyst, they just skip right over it's relevence to the Crucible (even though they know of the Crucible and have had plenty of time to obtain the plans for themselves once the Reapers retreated). Another plot hole. It feels like the entire point of the plot is to justify or rationalize and explain the Catalyst further. Again, it falls flat. Plotholes and idiot logic are the name of the game. And for some reason, the Leviathans can think a Reaper to death, or enslave it or whatever. Which begs to question how they lost the war in the first place, or why they can't do that to every Reaper.

Worst of all are the implications for the future. Leviathan ends abruptly with NO choices. You do not get to choose whether you even want Leviathan's help. You can not elect to destroy it, which would be a wise course of action given that these beings once conquered the galaxy with their simple PRESENCE. It's especially bad for Destroy, because with the Reapers gone, there is nothing to really stop them from doing this again.

All in all? I'm not impressed. Here, there is none of the character of Shadow Broker, none of the satisfaction of Bring down the Sky, none of moral questioning of Overlord, and none of the novelty of Arrival. Leviathan is devoid of charm and character, lacks coherence, has absolutely no impact on anything, and any implications that arise are forced and only add to the futility of the endings. I feel as though I just sat through several hours of Mac and Casey trying to shove my face in crap and convince me it smells good. I am left only with a desire to vomit.

That is my subjective opinion, take it for what it is. I am glad I was able to bring breaking information to you guys, thank you for giving me the opportunity.

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xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

Is the ending affected at all? We were told it would have an effect on the ending.


You get an extra line from the Catalyst

Seriously?
I was expecting something for Shepard to argue with the Catalyst about, concerning Leviathan. I was expecting at least like 4 to 5 added lines....

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SoldierGryphon wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

Is the ending affected at all? We were told it would have an effect on the ending.


It adds extra dialogue. They never said it would change the ending.


Didn't say change. Effect on the ending.

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Ha, it's up on Origin. "Do you dare face Leviathan," it says, no Bioware, what you claim to be Artistic Integrity is far scarier.

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RiptideX1090 wrote...

Nothing. 5000 War Assets, Refuse ending.

You get one option on the dialogue wheel and it adds nothing you did not already know.

Nothing.


Thanks. I will buy it anyway.

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dreman9999 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

HBC Dresden wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

"Each formed in Harbinger's image"... retcons, they just simply love them. Instead of changing textures they retcon things. How lazy is that?


Umm, actually the Catalyst implies this in the Extended Cut before Leviathan was released.


Not so literal, the retcon is still there though.

Not literal?
"If fire burn, is it at war, in conflit, or is it doing what it's programed to do...We(catalyst/reapers) are no different"

And then it tells you he is being forced.

The dlc is just bw bluntly stating it for the people who did not get it can get it.
 This is not a retcon. Just you being late getting it.


What in the name of muffins does this have to do with every Reaper looking like a copy of each other?

Now, you're killing my neurons.

Modifié par mauro2222, 28 août 2012 - 04:40 .