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[aridor1570]

3DandBeyond wrote...

AstusOz wrote...

So, considering that we have the impression that within the Reaper shell, there's a shell that's a representation of the original species harvested. Does that mean that Harbinger has exactly the same thing in miniature on the inside? Is Harbinger the Universe's first Babushka Doll?

Oh god this is hilarious-I never thought of it like that.  That was a way I think in order to explain away proto reapers and the lack of diversity amongst the reaper reapers.  I still have a hard time seeing a human proto reaper inside a reaper, flying it around.  But even more hilarious is the idea of a flying biped reaper, like some evil mechanical anti-Superman in space.

As I've said, Harbinger might be the only "pure" reaper without a shell of it's own, mostly because he is the made out of the Leviathans, this is pure speculation, of course.

[dreman9999]

3DandBeyond wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...


Yeah, and EDI is shackled because she does exactly what she was amde to do. Run the Normandy.

Humans breed. They are designed to seek a mate for procreation. Humans are shackled.

Whatever Starbinger is, it isn't shackled. Shackled AI's do not turn and overthrow their creators.

Exactly, unless they are the most idiotic people ever.  First rule, program the big bad AI so it won't hurt us, especially if other big bad AIs and synthetics have been hurting people.  And the problem is that if shackled the AI kid would have had an extremely linear idea of what "create peace and balance" would mean.  He couldn't interpret that to mean create war to create peace.  In order to do that he would have to be more adaptive and sentient and less shackled.  His programming would limit him to do certain things and other things would be illogical unless he was given freer ability to decide.

That's the problem. What is allowing the catalyst to attack it's creators is an issue of defination. It sees what it does as helping and preserving, not killing. Get it.
This is hal form Odyssey 2001 all over again.

Modifié par dreman9999, 28 août 2012 - 05:23 .

[darkiddd]

R3MUS wrote...

So... Anyone got the scene with the extra dialogue choices with the Catalyst?

And this Intelligence, the Catalyst. It is the Citadel. So the Leviathans built the Citadel or did the Intelligence built it to start the whole cycle trap?

Not even the writers know that mate. They make it all up as the story progresses. That's artistic integrity for them.

[Bierwichtel]

cotheer wrote...

R3MUS wrote...

All the Leviathans have 5 tendrils/arms, why do Harbinger have only 4?

Maybe it's a SHE 

now I need to go and bleach my brain... thanks

wonder how they procreated, though:devil:

[cydoniawarrior]

cotheer wrote...

R3MUS wrote...

All the Leviathans have 5 tendrils/arms, why do Harbinger have only 4?

Maybe it's a SHE 

A sheaper? 

or that could be a term for someone who likes farm animals too much 

[Bierwichtel]

cydoniawarrior wrote...

cotheer wrote...

R3MUS wrote...

All the Leviathans have 5 tendrils/arms, why do Harbinger have only 4?

Maybe it's a SHE 

A sheaper? 

or that could be a term for someone who likes farm animals too much 

do reapers dream of husk-ified sheep?

[Sovereign24]

aridor1570 wrote...

Sovereign24 wrote...

Are we sure that there are only 3 of those beings left? We only see 3 in the cut scene, but I can't remember them saying how many were left.

The Leviathan claims the rest of the Leviathans hide in the derkest corners of the galaxy, I think that confirms there are more than three.

So once we Destroy the Reapers, the Leviathans move in.

Man this galaxy is screwed.

[Tazzmission]

wooo im loving it so far!


the first mission felt really dead spacey to me wich i liked alot

[10K]

Is it just me or do Dr. bryson sound a bit like Hulk Hogan.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Sovereign24 wrote...

aridor1570 wrote...

Sovereign24 wrote...

Are we sure that there are only 3 of those beings left? We only see 3 in the cut scene, but I can't remember them saying how many were left.

The Leviathan claims the rest of the Leviathans hide in the derkest corners of the galaxy, I think that confirms there are more than three.

So once we Destroy the Reapers, the Leviathans move in.

Man this galaxy is screwed.

Like I said, we're stuck with mind-controlling cuttlefish no matter what.  Destroy ending?  Leviathans still around.  Control ending?  Leviathans still around, and they can apparently just shut off newly reprogrammed Reapers.  Synthesis ending?  Intelligence gets what it wants and big giant cuttlefish are still in control.

wheeeeee

[R3MUS]

darkiddd wrote...

R3MUS wrote...

So... Anyone got the scene with the extra dialogue choices with the Catalyst?

And this Intelligence, the Catalyst. It is the Citadel. So the Leviathans built the Citadel or did the Intelligence built it to start the whole cycle trap?

Not even the writers know that mate. They make it all up as the story progresses. That's artistic integrity for them.

Watched the conversation with the Leviathan.

The Intelligence/Catalyst made the Reapers build the Mass Relays. To speed up the cycles for better efficency.

So i guess the Catalyst was like a computer or harddrive on the Leviathans homeworld before it commanded the Reapers to build the Citadel and place him there at the tower.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Tazzmission wrote...

wooo im loving it so far!


the first mission felt really dead spacey to me wich i liked alot

The entire bit on the asteroid is my favorite part of Leviathan. The scenery was impressive. Not to mention the indoctrinated miners who really added to the feeling with their dialog and behavior.

[cydoniawarrior]

Bierwichtel wrote...

cydoniawarrior wrote...

cotheer wrote...

R3MUS wrote...

All the Leviathans have 5 tendrils/arms, why do Harbinger have only 4?

Maybe it's a SHE 

A sheaper? 

or that could be a term for someone who likes farm animals too much 

do reapers dream of husk-ified sheep?

perhaps 

[Darkstarr11]

I get the feeling that without the Reapers about, Leviathan might be worse. And it's possible that the Catalyst KNOWS it. What if it realized that Leviathan was the problem...and it was due to their screwed up logic that the Reapers because the universe stomping force that they are?

Simply put, HAL had to Zeroth Law Space Cthulhu to prevent VIKI from wiping out all life. At least, it's a possibility...

[dreman9999]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Sovereign24 wrote...

aridor1570 wrote...

Sovereign24 wrote...

Are we sure that there are only 3 of those beings left? We only see 3 in the cut scene, but I can't remember them saying how many were left.

The Leviathan claims the rest of the Leviathans hide in the derkest corners of the galaxy, I think that confirms there are more than three.

So once we Destroy the Reapers, the Leviathans move in.

Man this galaxy is screwed.

Like I said, we're stuck with mind-controlling cuttlefish no matter what.  Destroy ending?  Leviathans still around.  Control ending?  Leviathans still around, and they can apparently just shut off newly reprogrammed Reapers.  Synthesis ending?  Intelligence gets what it wants and big giant cuttlefish are still in control.

wheeeeee

There only a few left. Nothing compared to the reapers.

[dreman9999]

RinjiRenee wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
The point I was making is that the catalyst is shackled. Are you saying I'm blindly saying that?

No, I'm saying that it doesn't matter if the AI is shackled or not (and it isn't).  What, are we supposed to feel sorry for it?

It is shackled. This dlc make it clear. And you fell empathy for it....Then you destroy it. And don't do what it's creators did.

[Darkstarr11]

starlitegirlx wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Sovereign24 wrote...

aridor1570 wrote...

Sovereign24 wrote...

Are we sure that there are only 3 of those beings left? We only see 3 in the cut scene, but I can't remember them saying how many were left.

The Leviathan claims the rest of the Leviathans hide in the derkest corners of the galaxy, I think that confirms there are more than three.

So once we Destroy the Reapers, the Leviathans move in.

Man this galaxy is screwed.

Like I said, we're stuck with mind-controlling cuttlefish no matter what.  Destroy ending?  Leviathans still around.  Control ending?  Leviathans still around, and they can apparently just shut off newly reprogrammed Reapers.  Synthesis ending?  Intelligence gets what it wants and big giant cuttlefish are still in control.

wheeeeee

Wait! They just made one of the most horrific endings in game play worse with my $10? I just bought an even worse ending? Tell me that is not the case because I swear my head will explode.

If you didn't like them before...well...

...have you ever seen Scanners?  Jes' curious...um...is all...

[dreman9999]

starlitegirlx wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Sovereign24 wrote...

aridor1570 wrote...

Sovereign24 wrote...

Are we sure that there are only 3 of those beings left? We only see 3 in the cut scene, but I can't remember them saying how many were left.

The Leviathan claims the rest of the Leviathans hide in the derkest corners of the galaxy, I think that confirms there are more than three.

So once we Destroy the Reapers, the Leviathans move in.

Man this galaxy is screwed.

Like I said, we're stuck with mind-controlling cuttlefish no matter what.  Destroy ending?  Leviathans still around.  Control ending?  Leviathans still around, and they can apparently just shut off newly reprogrammed Reapers.  Synthesis ending?  Intelligence gets what it wants and big giant cuttlefish are still in control.

wheeeeee

Wait! They just made one of the most horrific endings in game play worse with my $10? I just bought an even worse ending? Tell me that is not the case because I swear my head will explode.

There's only a few left. Nothing compared to the reapers.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Nyoka wrote...

How many decisions do you get to make in this dlc?

There's no real decisions at all.

I was actually expecting a choice to either have Leviathan join you or exterminate it, as it kind of was building up to that during the mission. Evidently, that's not what happens. You do get a rather interesting conversation at the end, though.

[3DandBeyond]

dreman9999 wrote...

So you never heard of Hal?
What's happening in ME3 with the catalyst is not new to scifi. Shacled AI can defy there creators programing by doing thing the creators do not expect them to do. The leviathean wanted the catalyst to presevere life, it in turn preserve life in a form of a reaper. The leviatheans never thought the catalyst would do it so no block were in place to stop it from doing that action. A shackled AI is a slave to it'sprograming, not it's creators or masters. What you miss understanding is the concept of interface. A machine has to be program to obey the interfact of the use to be stopped by it's masters orders. That is not how the catalyst was programed. It was progremedto think of a solution on it's own then impose it.

Ok, just stop.  If he's shackled it was a poor job-once again you ignored that.  Enough about this, really.  That's all you come back to is shackling.  I don't think people care about that at all.  HAL was messed up too, and still Dave tried to "argue" with him, to make him see that his interpretation of his programming was illogical.  Shackling in either case wasn't done well and was overcome and misinterpreted.  Even Spock's logic could be argued with and he was part human.  All logic can be, even an advanced AIs because it may see that it's own interpretation was illogical. 

[Fawx9]

dreman9999 wrote...

starlitegirlx wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Sovereign24 wrote...

aridor1570 wrote...

Sovereign24 wrote...

Are we sure that there are only 3 of those beings left? We only see 3 in the cut scene, but I can't remember them saying how many were left.

The Leviathan claims the rest of the Leviathans hide in the derkest corners of the galaxy, I think that confirms there are more than three.

So once we Destroy the Reapers, the Leviathans move in.

Man this galaxy is screwed.

Like I said, we're stuck with mind-controlling cuttlefish no matter what.  Destroy ending?  Leviathans still around.  Control ending?  Leviathans still around, and they can apparently just shut off newly reprogrammed Reapers.  Synthesis ending?  Intelligence gets what it wants and big giant cuttlefish are still in control.

wheeeeee

Wait! They just made one of the most horrific endings in game play worse with my $10? I just bought an even worse ending? Tell me that is not the case because I swear my head will explode.

There's only a few left. Nothing compared to the reapers.

They can mind control people with ease.

With the relays shut down how hard do you think it would be for them to move on the fringe worlds and build up an army of loyal subjects?