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[dreman9999]

ElitePinecone wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
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Please, please, please spellcheck your posts and maybe slow down a bit so you don't make so many typos. It hurts to read this. 

I'd be fine with the synthetic-DNA-transhumanism hoohah being TIM's/the Catalyst's opinion if it were clearly established that they're misguided - but the game takes it all deadly seriously, to the point where characters prance around talking about "new frameworks" and we're expected to be wowed by the profundity of it all? 

Even EDI's narration in the improbably utopian Synthesis ending waxes lyrical about understanding and mutual compromise, yadda yadda, but we have no idea how it works beyond some pictures of cells with gears inside them or something. It's presented as fact (the Catalyst's solution, perfect harmony), but the game can't make a case for it beyond space magic and vague platitudes about organic-synthetic convergence being some inevitable cosmic will. 

As I said before it's just an opinion. What does it matter it they go in detail about it. It's still an opinion. Added, you not even forced or need to choose the choice.  Hitler made an entire book about views and why he thought his views are right, but it did not make him right.

It's up to you to decide if the views stated are right or wrong. If you don't beleive in the catlyst view is right , don't pick it.

Modifié par dreman9999, 28 août 2012 - 07:05 .

[Sovereign24]

Baa Baa wrote...

Sovereign24 wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

Comsky159 wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...
This trilogy was about Shepard and his squadmates.  The ending was about Star Brat and the Reapers.  The Reaper story (which is internally inconsistent from ME1/2 to ME3, by the way) isn't interesting.  The Reapers are the enemy.  The trilogy is not about the enemy.  It is about the relationships needed to defeat the enemy.  

Now, as if Bioware was attempting to justify why its ending is about something completely divorced from the thrust of the trilogy, they give us another story largely about the antagonist.  That isn't why people played the games.

Now that's a good way to put it.

I personally don't feel this way. I never really felt any connection for most of my squad mates (in 1, 2 and 3), as I found most of them to be pretty bland. The 3 that I probably felt something for all died (Wrex in 1 and Legion and Mordin in 3).
 
I guess I just viewed it differently. For me ME was always about the Reapers. It was that way ever since that epic conversation with Soverign on Virmire.

Really?
:crying:I'll be honest I kind of feel sorry for you not liking any of the characters. Although I liked the Reapers in 1 and 2 the Squadmates were the appeal to me.

It's not like I hate them or anything (although Ashley got close),  it's just that most of them didn't have an impact on me.

Now that I think of it, I did also like Thane. Alas another one that died as well.

[Rex Fallout]

DENNIStehMENACE wrote...

i dont see why it matters if this dlc affects the ending or not. i think EC did a very good job with the ending. I mean come on this dlc finally gave us the answer to a question we've had since ME1. the origin of the reapers! thats a HUGE deal. but i guess everyone is more pissed off that we didnt get another sentence or two from the catalyst or because we didnt get an extra slide wit the leviathans.

From what I can tell people aren't angry about that, in fact it seems that they are upset because everything makes even LESS sense than it did before.  That is just what I am getting from reading some of the posts.  Correct me if I am wrong.  

[Baa Baa]

Sovereign24 wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

Sovereign24 wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

Comsky159 wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...
This trilogy was about Shepard and his squadmates.  The ending was about Star Brat and the Reapers.  The Reaper story (which is internally inconsistent from ME1/2 to ME3, by the way) isn't interesting.  The Reapers are the enemy.  The trilogy is not about the enemy.  It is about the relationships needed to defeat the enemy.  

Now, as if Bioware was attempting to justify why its ending is about something completely divorced from the thrust of the trilogy, they give us another story largely about the antagonist.  That isn't why people played the games.

Now that's a good way to put it.

I personally don't feel this way. I never really felt any connection for most of my squad mates (in 1, 2 and 3), as I found most of them to be pretty bland. The 3 that I probably felt something for all died (Wrex in 1 and Legion and Mordin in 3).
 
I guess I just viewed it differently. For me ME was always about the Reapers. It was that way ever since that epic conversation with Soverign on Virmire.

Really?
:crying:I'll be honest I kind of feel sorry for you not liking any of the characters. Although I liked the Reapers in 1 and 2 the Squadmates were the appeal to me.

It's not like I hate them or anything (although Ashley got close),  it's just that most of them didn't have an impact on me.

Now that I think of it, I did also like Thane. Alas another one that died as well.

Lol I agree with you there.
And, well it's pretty obvious I like Thane too.

[dreman9999]

Rex Fallout wrote...

DENNIStehMENACE wrote...

i dont see why it matters if this dlc affects the ending or not. i think EC did a very good job with the ending. I mean come on this dlc finally gave us the answer to a question we've had since ME1. the origin of the reapers! thats a HUGE deal. but i guess everyone is more pissed off that we didnt get another sentence or two from the catalyst or because we didnt get an extra slide wit the leviathans.

From what I can tell people aren't angry about that, in fact it seems that they are upset because everything makes even LESS sense than it did before.  That is just what I am getting from reading some of the posts.  Correct me if I am wrong.  

How does it make less sense?

The catalyst was made to perseve life at any cost . It was shackled to solve the problem be not give any limits to how by the Leviathans who were arrogant slavers.
It back fired because the catalyst took to it' programing  " to perseve life at any cost " by forcing it's creators to be perserved as a reaper via a surprise attack with e minnions it was allowed to make. Then it did it to the other races.

It's clear now that everything happened because of a very arragant race.

[R3MUS]

Anyone uploaded the catalyst with the leviathan questions yet? I need to go to bed.

[dreman9999]

Nyoka wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

I was watching the DLC on Youtube and I get to thinking...

Ann Brysonn
Miranda
Tali
Garrus (kinda...)
Wrex
Liara (sorta)
Jacob
Thane (was the daddy issue)

Does somebody at Bioware have daddy issues?

Dawn Star, Silk Fox, Anora, Alistair, Carver...

Getting back of on topic, mmm... leviathans.

The main charater of BULDERS GATE. That's real daddy issues.

[Leanansidhe]

I really enjoyed the DLC.  It's better the Lair, which was the undisputed champ before today.  Keep up the good work and don't let the trolls drag you down.

Back to my self-imposed exile.  I just keep wondering, if all of these people hate this game so much, why are they still here screaming about it?

I used to love True Blood.  Now it's quite possibly the dumbest thing ever, so I stopped watching it.  I don't go to the forums everyday, spamming my hatred.  I just...stopped watching it, and moved on to something I like better.  See?  Simple.

Seriously.

Seek help.

Have a great day!

[mauro2222]

We seek to improve the writing, you don't seem to give a damn, that's the difference.

[kronus the playtpus]

now im waiting for an "epilogue" dlc just like the arrival dlc was

[dreman9999]

starlitegirlx wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

starlitegirlx wrote...

At the risk of being flamed or loathed, I'm going to say that I am in the indoctrination theory camp when I look at the starbrat and how control and synthesis, especially when gussied up by the EC DLC to come off as utopias in their own unique ways. Now with this added info, I have to say that if shep lets leviathan loose and leviathan easily mind controls, then he does it under mind control. It's the only logic I can make of it. It's the only conclusion I can come to especially given this husk skull bit. WTF is that?

Maybe the creative folk at BW are really evil geniuses and it's really all a commentary on sheeple and how easy it is to brainwash or mind control/manipulate someone to your side when they are in need of help or searching for answers or even just not having any awareness or understanding of certain facts and ideas. Shep thinks leviathan can help. Easy target. Shep thinks the reapers are the true bad guys, but really, they only come around every 50k years and leave young civilizations an opportunity to thrive. That trumps this other kind of leviathan kind of long term slavery. It's a choice of the lesser of two evils. But at the core there is still the mind control brainwashing issue which was a constant in ME1 if you chose to ask questions of certain people who had been up against it and especially with saren and benezia. It then disappeared in ME2 with only the constant reminder from illusive man's eyes (wasn't there some material published about what the eyes of an indoctrinated person look like?) I think he was exposed along with a friend that died, no? But in ME3 it's barely a footnote if you don't deal with the hannar side mission at the citadel. Leviathan seems to put all that back in the game again. Very prominently. So maybe it's just some kind of brilliant commentary that's getting back to a key story aspect of ME1.

I just don't know anymore.

I honestly don't think IT will happen, but hey it's still a better concept then the story as is. Husk skull is likely a reference to prometheus.

I'm thinking IT did happen already and adding in Leviathan gives you a place to see how and where it did, but this is all based on desperation to make sense of one more bit of confusing storyline stuff that BW just handed us. Or maybe not make sense of it so much a justify what seems to be just another reason to sell some game play parts to people who will buy them.

Looking back at the trilogy as a whole, it is a disaster and BW should be so ashamed of it that they never make another DLC for it ever again. It started smart and savvy and very interesting with huge potential that was squandered at every opportunity. They wanted the shooter fans and slowly drew them in and dumbed down the RPG factor and decisions basically disappeared by ME3 if you remove the gaining assets factors which most of have already been set in stone during ME1 and ME2. Some remain in three. But mostly it's done unless you deliberate act against previous decisions I think.

You missed place in that notion. I seethe ending this way...Thereaper let Shepard up the crucible to find a new solution. The stroy is not a mess. It based on the antagonist drive to do what it's programed to do.

[dreman9999]

mauro2222 wrote...

We seek to improve the writing, you don't seem to give a damn, that's the difference.

Understand it first. If you don't understand the catalyst you never get the stories point.

[Memnon]

Ah those creators - they saw organics building machines, and the machines turning on them. They had to stop it so .... they built a machine. What a bunch of frigging morons

[nevar00]

It sounds like they just made the plot they threw together in the last 5 minutes even more convoluted than it was before.

[GreyLycanTrope]

dreman9999 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

We seek to improve the writing, you don't seem to give a damn, that's the difference.

Understand it first. If you don't understand the catalyst you never get the stories point.

He isn't shackled if that's what your refering to, even if he was it changes nothing.

[dreman9999]

nevar00 wrote...

It sounds like they just made the plot they threw together in the last 5 minutes even more convoluted than it was before.

How is the dlc story convoluted?

[mauro2222]

dreman9999 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

We seek to improve the writing, you don't seem to give a damn, that's the difference.

Understand it first. If you don't understand the catalyst you never get the stories point.

At this point, you're in to be hated...

Did I ever contradict your crazy crusade over the Catalyst being programmed to what it should do? I understand perfectly the ending, the damn plot solution aka Catalayst and the damn dlc.

Yeah, it's programmed to do such things, but the shackled and unshackled thingy can't be assured with the current information.

Modifié par mauro2222, 28 août 2012 - 07:20 .

[Exodusith]

Well, I enjoyed the DLC. As one of the very vocal haters of the endings, I was pleasantly surprised at how the revelation of the Leviathan ties back to the crucible.

Certainly, whomever was the writer for this DLC should be head writing Mass Effect 4 (Shift whatever) imo.

Kudos Bioware. You took a small step to redemption in my eyes today.

[R3MUS]

Stornskar wrote...

Ah those creators - they saw organics building machines, and the machines turning on them. They had to stop it so .... they built a machine. What a bunch of frigging morons

Well... if you were listening to what the Leviathans said you would understand better...

Maybe the Leviathans decided to create an intelligence to prove to the lesser species (Leviathans thought to be Gods) that Synthetics/AI's/Robots could be friendly and coexist with organics.

Or use it as a tool, like a hammer or wrench in an enormous scale. And also to control all the synthetics that would come forth sooner or later.

The Leviathans were so arrogant.

[mauro2222]

Exodusith wrote...

Well, I enjoyed the DLC. As one of the very vocal haters of the endings, I was pleasantly surprised at how the revelation of the Leviathan ties back to the crucible.

?

[dreman9999]

Greylycantrope wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

We seek to improve the writing, you don't seem to give a damn, that's the difference.

Understand it first. If you don't understand the catalyst you never get the stories point.

He isn't shackled if that's what your refering to, even if he was it changes nothing.

Leviathan: The intelligence was envisioned as another tool
Shepard:And now we all pay the price of you mistake
Leviathan: There was no mistake. It still serves it's perpose

And on it's programing aka perpose...


Leviathan:  To counter this problem we creater an intelligence with the mandate to perserve life at any cost.

That basicly means  they made a shackled  AI to solve a problem with no limit ever given to how .
It's shackled.

Modifié par dreman9999, 28 août 2012 - 07:35 .

[dreman9999]

mauro2222 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

We seek to improve the writing, you don't seem to give a damn, that's the difference.

Understand it first. If you don't understand the catalyst you never get the stories point.

At this point, you're in to be hated...

Did I ever contradict your crazy crusade over the Catalyst being programmed to what it should do? I understand perfectly the ending, the damn plot solution aka Catalayst and the damn dlc.

Yeah, it's programmed to do such things, but the shackled and unshackled thingy can't be assured with the current information.

Leviathan: The intelligence was envisioned as another tool
Shepard:And now we all pay the price of you mistake
Leviathan: There was no mistake. It still serves it's perpose

And on it's programing aka perpose...


[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">Leviathan: ]perserve life at any cost.[/color]

Leviathan:  To counter this problem we creater an intelligence with the mandate to perserve life at any cost.

[color="#aaaaaa"]That basicly means  they made a shackled  AI to solve a problem with no limit ever given to how.[/color] 
It's shackled.

Modifié par dreman9999, 28 août 2012 - 07:35 .