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[Badpie]

I liked it a lot. Some new toys, some great squad banter, interesting story and I really liked the investigative aspect of it. Well done. And I thought it added a nice thick layer of lore and story. PLUS OMG MY NEW CENTERPIECE! ...I'll be sure to turn it away when I bring my LI up to the cabin...

[Mara Shep]

I enjoyed the underwater scene. Well "enjoyed" isn't the right word really, more like terrified me. I have a huge phobia of water, so much so that even playing underwater scenes in games can make me feel trapped. So as Shepard plummeted deeper and deeper, I was filled with dread for sure.

Where does the lovely centre piece go in your cabin?  I completely missed that and didn't get it.  Oh well.

Modifié par Mara Shep, 29 août 2012 - 12:47 .

[Revanor]

 It wasn't bad, but I don't think I've learned anything new. The only thing that was new, that the creators of the Reapers look exactly like the reapers and are as big as well. Plus that the reapers betrayed them. 
I would have liked to see more of the ancient stuff, because this way, the whole concept of the leviathans was just out of the blue. When I first read about the Leviathan of Dis in ME1, I didn't bother to ask "what could have killed it" ?
I mean, after all the united fleets managed to defeat Sovereign too, or that other reaper in ME2 that was killed by a huge mass accelarator. Yeah maybe another ME1 refrence, the 'creatures of light, defenders of organics" could be a reference to them, but that's all. I understand how you don't really know what kind of DLC you're gona do, so you can't put references in the game, 4 years earlier, that's why it would have been nice, if Ann shows us around the dig site before the Reapers attack, so we can learn a bit more about the thing. Even in the DLC trailer that scientist said "We searh for myths and stories from ancient times, regarding the reapers". I know that in ME1 and 2 there were several planets that hinted that at one time they were eradicated by the Reapers, or that obelisk from ME1 that said "Walk amongst our buildings and see our might." and on the other side: "Machine monsters from the ID." But many people haven't read it, or can't rememebr it, so it would have been nice to revisit those and stories about the leviathans trough conversation, because as I said before, it feels completely new and uncalled for.

Curiosity killed the cat it seems. Before the end of ME3,  the Reapers were a really cool and very scary enemy.
I wanted to know more about their origins and purposes sure, but that made them almost everyday-like.
I still think they are cool, but I'm not afraid of them any longer. They always said how they are above organics and that their reasons are so damn profane and it cannot be understood, they transcend our very understanding blah blah blah, but in the end they turned out to be overgrown washing machines, doing what they're told, a failed experiment.
I think I even pity them, because it seems they are the one that can't think outside the box, they are narrow minded and limited, not the organics. And I hoped leviathan would somehow change this, make the reapers scary again, but no. It was still a good dlc, not as good as the Shadowbroker dlc, but still good, the only thing I missed really was talking more about the ancient myths and walking around dig sites in peace, that would've given it a really neat feeling.

Modifié par Revanor, 29 août 2012 - 01:17 .

[GreenFlag]

love it

Modifié par GreenFlag, 29 août 2012 - 12:56 .

[DarkMoon596]

youtu.be/yLpVhOhH- not my video.

Modifié par DarkMoon596, 29 août 2012 - 01:00 .

[joker_jack]

The lovecraftian feel to the dlc is what I like about this. The leviathan race feels like something right out of call of cthulhu. The end scene makes me feel like I'm reading dagon when he rises up from the ocean. This dlc was rather well done.

[Urdnot Amenark]

I really liked the DLC. I'm glad that they added something which kind of removes the bad taste from my mouth after they dumbed down the Reapers with the whole concept of the Leviathans as the great race that created the Reapers. It's also suitable that the Reapers would resemble them. There was alot to do in this DLC, though I will say it doesn't have half the value that the LOTSB DLC did. They add a nice amount of War Assets too, but it still sucks that they still ultimately don't have that much of an influence on the ending apart from a few extra lines. With the Leviathans on our side, I could definitely see a victory without the Crucible possible, but that's another thread.

Oh, and I enjoyed the weird screaming husk head and the indoctrinated miners who talked like they were high on LSD.

[Urdnot Amenark]

joker_jack wrote...

The lovecraftian feel to the dlc is what I like about this. The leviathan race feels like something right out of call of cthulhu. The end scene makes me feel like I'm reading dagon when he rises up from the ocean. This dlc was rather well done.

That's exactly what I thought when I saw the Leviathan.

[Revanor]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Ranger1337 wrote...

Yeah that's what I thought too . That last dream sequence where Shepard and the child burned in a fire kinda made it seem that Shepard has fully succumbed to indoctrination . 

The way I interpreted that was that Shepard was watching parts of her mind being lost to indoctrination.

It wouldn't be safe to assume they had fully succumb, because then everything afterwards wouldn't have played out the way it did.

But imo, the Shepard avatar we are using when running around in the dreams is Shepard's consciousness looking for the doubt in her mind, which is obviously the kid. To see why it's happening, each time that avatar goes to investigate. It gets lost when the child burns at the end.

Then in the last seen. When Shep sees herself burning. She's watching other parts of her mind being taken over by doubt/indoctrination.

Therefore the avatar we use in each dream sequence, isn't the same avatar each time but different parts of Shepard's consciousness.

Or that's my interpretation anyway.

Yeah I feel like the dreams were ment to be mean more, but Bioware didn't have enough funding/time to finish it. 
Perhaps in a later DLC? What I really miss the most is a dream after Thessia. It is said that Shepard has those dreams when he really starts doubting himself and when something bad happens. I think we all felt bad after Thessia, yet no dreams. Everything seemed pretty fine before assaulting Cronos station, yet there is a dream.
It could have been intended to be attempts of indoctrination. There should be a dream after Thessia, and in the final dream before Cronos station, you'd have some active role, and you'd have to fight indoctrination or something...



But back to the matter at hand, the boy represents all the innocent people Shepard could not save.
The boy can be seen running away from the Reapers and Shepard trying to catch him means he's trying to save him.
Given how the Catalyst shows up in the form of the boy in the end (Shepard should have asked the Catalyst why he looks like that boy from Earth and his dreams, and the boy could have said "we were trying to get a control over you, we chose this form because it made you vulnerable, but your will proved to be too strong to get indoctrinated in such a short time) and how the boy represents the people of the galaxy, him and Shepard burning is a symbolic thing, not his mind dying. What can we see? That Shepard saved the boy (the peoples of the galaxy) but he died.
In the endings, Shepard die, and thus he saves the galaxy. The final dream could hint that in order to save the boy, he must die. But then, the boy can also be seen burning, and after the destruction ending, we can see Shepard taking a breath. So this could mean that the boy in the dreams is the Catalyst, which would mean that following the boy would lead to Shepard's death. ... A DLC could comfirm this matter.

[Krogan Warlord]

I didn't buy the DLC.Watched it on Youtube.Glad I didn't buy it.This is the most dissapointing DLC in my life.I bought every DLC in ME1 and ME2 didn't regret a penny.But since I saw ME3 ending I was in caution for the DLC's that might be released.And the caution payed off.Money well spent on other stuff.
Goodbye ME3!
ME3 R.I.P for me...

Modifié par Krogan Warlord, 29 août 2012 - 01:10 .

[Krogan Warlord]

BTW did it really change any of those artistic endings?

[Gethrian]

I enjoyed it gameplay wise though some sort of boss fight would have been nice. Story wise not so much. It didn't really tell me anything I didn't already knew about the Reapers. Only that their creators were giant cuttlefishes. I think I would have prefered Leviathan to be rogue Reaper instead of their creator to be honest.

I also expected it to have at least some effect to rest of the game. I mean seriously, Shepard had just discovered race that created the Reapers to be still alive. Leviathans seems like they could be trouble too if there weren't any Reapers around. Just seems like they would start to try dominate other races if given a chance. Which makes me question Destroy ending since Reapers are gone and everyone are weakened. As far as I can tell the Leviathans stay at bottom of that sea aren't really at risk to be killed by the Reapers so are at full strenght at the end of the game. On other hand this could be to that they setting it up for future ME games where Levianthans are the enemy. To me it would feel like we go from Reapers to organic version of them though.

There's not any mention of the Levianthan after completing DLC besides the Catalyst unless I missed something. War assets you never see aren't that great and lack of choices didn't make it any better either.  And what's with Bioware and daddy issues?

[Urdnot Amenark]

DarkZexy wrote...

I enjoyed it gameplay wise though some sort of boss fight would have been nice. Story wise not so much. It didn't really tell me anything I didn't already knew about the Reapers. Only that their creators were giant cuttlefishes. I think I would have prefered Leviathan to be rogue Reaper instead of their creator to be honest.

I also expected it to have at least some effect to rest of the game. I mean seriously, Shepard had just discovered race that created the Reapers to be still alive. Leviathans seems like they could be trouble too if there weren't any Reapers around. Just seems like they would start to try dominate other races if given a chance. Which makes me question Destroy ending since Reapers are gone and everyone are weakened. As far as I can tell the Leviathans stay at bottom of that sea aren't really at risk to be killed by the Reapers so are at full strenght at the end of the game. On other hand this could be to that they setting it up for future ME games where Levianthans are the enemy. To me it would feel like we go from Reapers to organic version of them though.

There's not any mention of the Levianthan after completing DLC besides the Catalyst unless I missed something. War assets you never see aren't that great and lack of choices didn't make it any better either.  And what's with Bioware and daddy issues?

It adds 400 War Assets automatically once you complete it, not including the other assets you can find now. That's a hefty amount. I do wish it would have had a bigger impact on the ending. As it currently stands, it's really a sorely missed-opportunity for Bioware.

[Zero132132]

Krogan Warlord wrote...

I didn't buy the DLC.Watched it on Youtube.Glad I didn't buy it.This is the most dissapointing DLC in my life.I bought every DLC in ME1 and ME2 didn't regret a penny.But since I saw ME3 ending I was in caution for the DLC's that might be released.And the caution payed off.Money well spent on other stuff.
Goodbye ME3!
ME3 R.I.P for me...

Stupid **** like this is why I avoid the story forums.

So what, you preferred Pinacle Station and Overlord more? Stuff that doesn't relate to the broader plot at all and largely doesn't have new dialogue for anyone but Shepard?

They should have separate forums for 'Discussion' and 'Aimless Hatred for Bioware' or something. Saying you hate DLC doesn't qualify as discussion.

[Russmandarin]

This was a DLC huh?
Anyway onto the dumb plot that Bioware has now porked once more
Hey guiz we gonna make some robots so you won't get killed by all these robots you made
Oh snap the robots are killing us
Its okay its all good we just gonna hide now
Oh snap the robots are found me time to one shot em
Oh no we seriously couldn't have possibly beat them like I just did twice now they are far too weak for the leviathan race to ever possibly fight back against until now

I swear its like with every little addition to this series the lore get's dumber and dumber.

[Revanor]

RiptideX1090 wrote...



Worst of all are the implications for the future. Leviathan ends abruptly with NO choices. You do not get to choose whether you even want Leviathan's help. You can not elect to destroy it, which would be a wise course of action given that these beings once conquered the galaxy with their simple PRESENCE. It's especially bad for Destroy, because with the Reapers gone, there is nothing to really stop them from doing this again.

Hah, haven't even thought about it. The leviathans just wanted to live in peace for the most time, but you're right, after the destruction of the Reapers, what stops them from trying to reclaim their lost glory? 
If the circumstances were better (the quality of the DLC and the original ending of ME3) this could be a starting point for ME4, either still with Shepard as a protagonist, or a start of a new trilogy a few centuries after ME3. 
But given how things turned out, I don't think they'd even attempt it (especially after saying there won't be any ME after Shepard), so if they do, that will be simply outrageous, they'd really have to achieve over the top to make it good. 

[Revanor]

The Twilight God wrote...
  First rule, program the big bad AI so it won't hurt us, especially if other big bad AIs and synthetics have been hurting people.  And the problem is that if shackled the AI kid would have had an extremely linear idea of what "create peace and balance" would mean.  He couldn't interpret that to mean create war to create peace.  In order to do that he would have to be more adaptive and sentient and less shackled.  His programming would limit him to do certain things and other things would be illogical unless he was given freer ability to decide.

The Romans said "If you want peace, prepare for war."

[AlexPorto111]

Zero132132 wrote...

Krogan Warlord wrote...

I didn't buy the DLC.Watched it on Youtube.Glad I didn't buy it.This is the most dissapointing DLC in my life.I bought every DLC in ME1 and ME2 didn't regret a penny.But since I saw ME3 ending I was in caution for the DLC's that might be released.And the caution payed off.Money well spent on other stuff.
Goodbye ME3!
ME3 R.I.P for me...

Stupid **** like this is why I avoid the story forums.

So what, you preferred Pinacle Station and Overlord more? Stuff that doesn't relate to the broader plot at all and largely doesn't have new dialogue for anyone but Shepard?

They should have separate forums for 'Discussion' and 'Aimless Hatred for Bioware' or something. Saying you hate DLC doesn't qualify as discussion.

[Russmandarin]

Man this whole organics vs machine thing just got pushed to the point of stupidity

[Revanor]

cotheer wrote...
 
[On Harbinger's arms]
Maybe it's a SHE 

That would be the greatest thing ever. Harbinger is a She, she can't bring herself to kill Shepard because she's in love with him! Women do like strong and confident men after all, and Shepard is the ultimate man. (Or Harbi is a lesbian and is into strong women). She's a lady, she only wants attention and love. The cycles? Women have cycles too when they go on sort of a rampage and there's lot of blood involved.

[AlexMBrennan]

Overlord gave you the Hammerhead, and not just two pretty maps with bog standard cover shooting.

Also, some people here might want to google "zeroth law rebellion".

[Revanor]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Sovereign24 wrote...

aridor1570 wrote...

Sovereign24 wrote...

Are we sure that there are only 3 of those beings left? We only see 3 in the cut scene, but I can't remember them saying how many were left.

The Leviathan claims the rest of the Leviathans hide in the derkest corners of the galaxy, I think that confirms there are more than three.

So once we Destroy the Reapers, the Leviathans move in.

Man this galaxy is screwed.

Like I said, we're stuck with mind-controlling cuttlefish no matter what.  Destroy ending?  Leviathans still around.  Control ending?  Leviathans still around, and they can apparently just shut off newly reprogrammed Reapers.  Synthesis ending?  Intelligence gets what it wants and big giant cuttlefish are still in control.

wheeeeee

If at least Bioware was a japanese company, I would understand their fetish of fish with tentacles.

[KyuzoS7]

Krogan Warlord wrote...

BTW did it really change any of those artistic endings?

no same endings....

[DoomNation]

Revanor wrote...

cotheer wrote...
 
[On Harbinger's arms]
Maybe it's a SHE 

That would be the greatest thing ever. Harbinger is a She, she can't bring herself to kill Shepard because she's in love with him! Women do like strong and confident men after all, and Shepard is the ultimate man. (Or Harbi is a lesbian and is into strong women). She's a lady, she only wants attention and love. The cycles? Women have cycles too when they go on sort of a rampage and there's lot of blood involved.

Now that got a snort out of me. Would still have been a better and more coherent ending than what we got.