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[RiptideX1090]

halbert986 wrote...

Wow I didn't think they could do it. Bu they did it. They actually made the endings worse....

It implies that whatever choice you made at the end only makes things worse. It shows that Synthesis is exactly what the Catalyst is looking for, so you are beyond a shadow of a doubt bowing to the Reaper's will in that ending. It shows that the Reapers can be hacked in Control, which has it's own connotations. What happens if a race decides they don't like being ruled by Shepard and decide to try enslaving the Reapers for themselves.

Worst of all is what it does to Destroy, though, an ending where it already feels like we got kicked in the balls with the Geth's destruction. In that ending, without the Reapers to keep them in check, god only knows what the Leviathans are going to end up doing to the galaxy.

It's like no matter what you do, the universe we loved is still not safe, still ****ed, and everything we did is pointless. What was the point of stopping Soveriegn if everyone just turns into a Leviathan slave later anyway? Why keep everyone alive through the suicide run and continue the fight in the third game?

It's just one more hit to the nads after another.

[3DandBeyond]

babachewie wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Ok, my nephew came over and bought the dang thing and I watched him play it. So the great big new hub is Bryson's office? Woowie, fantastic. And it's really a little bit annoying. You have to keep coming back to it for new datapads and info, once the guy is dead? Why wouldn't they pick all of that stuff up the first time around? And then at that one point, James is just there all of a sudden.

Ok, parts of it look cool, but it makes a lot of the story even more confused. I'd have to watch it again or play it again to remember the things that made for more plotholes, but undoubtedly someone will post it here. Some videos have been posted so I'll probably go for that. My nephew didn't play to the catalyst, but from the time of getting the message on Shepard's terminal to finishing the main part of Leviathan-getting to Hackett's communication was about 2 hours give or take a bit.

I know one thing that bothered me was this Bryson had a lot of reaper stuff including a piece of Sovereign that he had shielded so it couldn't indoctrinate people-well, why couldn't that have been used to prove the reapers existed? And it seemed amazing to me that Hackett kept this info hidden from Shepard for so long.

So from what I gather you dont even understand what happeded but you just couldnt wait to **** about something. What a tool bag. 

My nephew did not play to the catalyst but he did play all of Leviathan and I watched him play it.  I stated I did not remember some of the specifics, but commented on what stuck out for me.  I didn't comment on what I had not seen.  My nephew had to leave so he didn't play to the catalyst, but he did finish the main Leviathan content and I watched that.  I'm not sure I have the desire to play all through the rest of the game past Leviathan because at least it means playing through Cronos and London and London is a lot of crap to me.

But thank you for your kind words-you've always shown the quality type of person you are with such comments for everyone-you never explain your opinions of things.  You just show how bitter you are.

[RiouHotaru]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

halbert986 wrote...

Wow I didn't think they could do it. Bu they did it. They actually made the endings worse....

It implies that whatever choice you made at the end only makes things worse. It shows that Synthesis is exactly what the Catalyst is looking for, so you are beyond a shadow of a doubt bowing to the Reaper's will in that ending. It shows that the Reapers can be hacked in Control, which has it's own connotations. What happens if a race decides they don't like being ruled by Shepard and decide to try enslaving the Reapers for themselves.

Worst of all is what it does to Destroy, though, an ending where it already feels like we got kicked in the balls with the Geth's destruction. In that ending, without the Reapers to keep them in check, god only knows what the Leviathans are going to end up doing to the galaxy.

It's like no matter what you do, the universe we loved is still not safe, still ****ed, and everything we did is pointless. What was the point of stopping Soveriegn if everyone just turns into a Leviathan slave later anyway? Why keep everyone alive through the suicide run and continue the fight in the third game?

It's just one more hit to the nads after another.

Not really.  But if you want to think that, go ahead.  Remember, the Galaxy has the Leviathan Codex, and there's very few of the cuttlefish left.

[babachewie]

3DandBeyond wrote...

babachewie wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Ok, my nephew came over and bought the dang thing and I watched him play it. So the great big new hub is Bryson's office? Woowie, fantastic. And it's really a little bit annoying. You have to keep coming back to it for new datapads and info, once the guy is dead? Why wouldn't they pick all of that stuff up the first time around? And then at that one point, James is just there all of a sudden.

Ok, parts of it look cool, but it makes a lot of the story even more confused. I'd have to watch it again or play it again to remember the things that made for more plotholes, but undoubtedly someone will post it here. Some videos have been posted so I'll probably go for that. My nephew didn't play to the catalyst, but from the time of getting the message on Shepard's terminal to finishing the main part of Leviathan-getting to Hackett's communication was about 2 hours give or take a bit.

I know one thing that bothered me was this Bryson had a lot of reaper stuff including a piece of Sovereign that he had shielded so it couldn't indoctrinate people-well, why couldn't that have been used to prove the reapers existed? And it seemed amazing to me that Hackett kept this info hidden from Shepard for so long.

So from what I gather you dont even understand what happeded but you just couldnt wait to **** about something. What a tool bag. 

My nephew did not play to the catalyst but he did play all of Leviathan and I watched him play it.  I stated I did not remember some of the specifics, but commented on what stuck out for me.  I didn't comment on what I had not seen.  My nephew had to leave so he didn't play to the catalyst, but he did finish the main Leviathan content and I watched that.  I'm not sure I have the desire to play all through the rest of the game past Leviathan because at least it means playing through Cronos and London and London is a lot of crap to me.

But thank you for your kind words-you've always shown the quality type of person you are with such comments for everyone-you never explain your opinions of things.  You just show how bitter you are.

Yes yes. Neato tale and all that. I just wanna know if you're gonna spend months and months on this one thread everyday like th extended cut one beating a dead horse into the ground. If so you can just save us a lot of bordom and uncaring if you just tell us you dont like it and be on your merry way. 

[Rip504]

The map reminded me of the SB ship and the last world in KoToR.

Also a little pointless,and expensive for a history lesson. One that only clarifies what the Catalyst already states.

[halbert986]

This has done it. This has officially killed mass effect for me. Final nail in the coffin, 6 feet under, shelved indefinitely. Good job bioware. Good job.

IT was cool and all but the only reason I placed such faith in it was because it fixed the absurd foundation of the story. If IT happened tomorrow I wouldn't care because the motivation, creation, logic, and very existence of the reapers has been completely obliterated.

They amount to nothing more than synthetic representations of an ancient cuttlefish race controlled by an "all powerful" AI. Designed to protect organics from "themselves." Good lord it's like an 8th grade creative writing class.

They couldn't even think of a good story behind the leviathans just more bull**** about a super advanced race. It's the same story we got with the reapers except that they're organic. But apparently immortal and capable of FTL travel outside of relays. Maybe it's like DBZ and they just "think happy thoughts" their way through space.

[GraysonJ507]

Terrible. Why do they do what Shepard says at all? Are you telling me that the most powerful beings in the known galaxy just up and decide to help in this cycle because of one person? Why didn't they intervene during any of the other cycles? Mass Effect 2 is now totally pointless; if all reapers are made to look like Harbinger, then WTF is up with the human reaper

[GraysonJ507]

Also its a $10 fart right in your mouth

[halbert986]

this game is nothing more than LOST 2.0
Writers with a good idea fumble their way through success and eventually get tangled in their own devices, plot holes, and the unexplained with an end result that is very forgettable.

In their attempts to explain it, they actually make things worse.

LOST of course had a much better ending... But the same basic concept applies here.

[Chakuura]

I thought it was enjoyable, not great but it certainly didn't make me mad or anything. Lack of squad interaction other than a few funny lines with James was a bit of a bummer though. The origin of the Reapers is pretty much what everyone said it was anyway, so no surprise there. I've yet to play through to the Catalyst though so I'm not sure what new lines he gets.

[UKillMeLongTime]

Dominate added will it make it to MP

But it was gôod

[halbert986]

Nyoka wrote...

GraysonJ507 wrote...

Terrible. Why do they do what Shepard says at all? Are you telling me that the most powerful beings in the known galaxy just up and decide to help in this cycle because of one person? Why didn't they intervene during any of the other cycles? Mass Effect 2 is now totally pointless; if all reapers are made to look like Harbinger, then WTF is up with the human reaper

They didn't intervene because the reapers hadn't found them yet. Yup, apparently the reapers have been looking for the leviathans for at least 37 million years (since that's the age of the derelict reaper we visited in ME2, so the reapers are at least that old)... it's just a miraculous coincidence that they happened to find the leviathans' location at the same time as Shepard.

Sooo... we did in eleven minutes what a hyper-advanced race of sentient genocidal machines couldn't do in 37 million years?

[MassEffect762]

Someone please explain to me how Leviathan and its kind are still around/alive.

Modifié par MassEffect762, 29 août 2012 - 04:34 .

[halbert986]

MassEffect762 wrote...

Someone please explain to me how Leviathan and it's kind are still around/alive.

it is not a thing.... 
Ok i wont say it but you know... 
Also 

[UKillMeLongTime]

And I like he extra dialogue with the main cast after each mission

[halbert986]

This DLC was built around the idea that everyone had already played the endings. So that in and of itself is bad writing.

Imagine playing this the first time with no idea what was going to happen. You'd leave this DLC with more questions than answers. It's one giant WTF machine.

[B.Shep]

They can't do much unless someone carry the control spheres which have a very limited range to someplace close to the enemy lines or behind them.

[B.Shep]

MassEffect762 wrote...

Someone please explain to me how Leviathan and its kind are still around/alive.

They spend all this time in hiding resigned after their "tool" kicked their aquatic a**es.

By the way, i wonder how much a leviathan lives (the one which talks with Shepard said they were the progeny from the catalyst's creators)

[DoomNation]

Where does it say there are so few Leviathans? It never gives a number. The main one keeps saying "we" and there could be more than three on that planet. It also said that there were others in the darkest parts of space. Aaaand this DLC makes the AI an even bigger dick. Damn, I wanna cause it so much pain and the horrible depression that still plagues me whenever I think of the red, green, blue, and f--k you endings :/ At least LI Garrus was adorable

[B.Shep]

Considering that planet was all covered by the sea it's very likely more leviathans live there.

[EnvyTB075]

halbert986 wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

GraysonJ507 wrote...

Terrible. Why do they do what Shepard says at all? Are you telling me that the most powerful beings in the known galaxy just up and decide to help in this cycle because of one person? Why didn't they intervene during any of the other cycles? Mass Effect 2 is now totally pointless; if all reapers are made to look like Harbinger, then WTF is up with the human reaper

They didn't intervene because the reapers hadn't found them yet. Yup, apparently the reapers have been looking for the leviathans for at least 37 million years (since that's the age of the derelict reaper we visited in ME2, so the reapers are at least that old)... it's just a miraculous coincidence that they happened to find the leviathans' location at the same time as Shepard.

Sooo... we did in eleven minutes what a hyper-advanced race of sentient genocidal machines couldn't do in 37 million years?

And they still say the Reapers can't be beaten conventionally....

[Foxbat Killer]

I thought it was quite good.