ME3 Leviathan: SPOILER Discussion [poll included]
#1026
Posté 29 août 2012 - 05:34
#1027
Posté 29 août 2012 - 05:46
#1028
Posté 29 août 2012 - 05:53
#1029
Posté 29 août 2012 - 05:53
No amount of effort can result in eternal peace in this universe of ours, it's simply not possible. Conflict will always arise and we can only try do deal with it to the best of our ability when it does. Not sure what you're complaining about here. The ending is bad just because there is still dangerous stuff out there in the galaxy?RiptideX1090 wrote...
It implies that whatever choice you made at the end only makes things worse. It shows that Synthesis is exactly what the Catalyst is looking for, so you are beyond a shadow of a doubt bowing to the Reaper's will in that ending. It shows that the Reapers can be hacked in Control, which has it's own connotations. What happens if a race decides they don't like being ruled by Shepard and decide to try enslaving the Reapers for themselves.
Worst of all is what it does to Destroy, though, an ending where it already feels like we got kicked in the balls with the Geth's destruction. In that ending, without the Reapers to keep them in check, god only knows what the Leviathans are going to end up doing to the galaxy.
It's like no matter what you do, the universe we loved is still not safe, still ****ed, and everything we did is pointless. What was the point of stopping Soveriegn if everyone just turns into a Leviathan slave later anyway? Why keep everyone alive through the suicide run and continue the fight in the third game?
It's just one more hit to the nads after another.
#1030
Posté 29 août 2012 - 05:57
By the way, i liked you sign.
Modifié par B.Shep, 29 août 2012 - 05:57 .
#1031
Posté 29 août 2012 - 06:41
Modifié par Libstir, 29 août 2012 - 06:43 .
#1032
Posté 29 août 2012 - 07:01
The level design feels somewhere in between Noveria's Isolated Science Facility, with a bit of Bioshock 2's Outer Water-Level Sequences. As someone mentioned before, It's on par with LotSB. No doubt that was a major inspiration. Underwater mining colony Science-Fiction with Big Daddy Suits...
Modifié par DominusVita, 29 août 2012 - 07:02 .
#1033
Posté 29 août 2012 - 07:03
#1034
Posté 29 août 2012 - 07:07
They sure are listening to what the latest memes are on BSN =)
#1035
Posté 29 août 2012 - 07:15
#1036
Posté 29 août 2012 - 07:19
#1037
Posté 29 août 2012 - 07:21
#1038
Posté 29 août 2012 - 08:21
I would think that having the Leviathans on your side indoctrinating Reapers would have given some ****ing serious advantage to kick ass. I mean there were at least three Leviathans that could do some serious indoctrination of Reapers so they could kill each other but I guess that would be too much to ask for~
I loaded a 20+ hr save to play the DLC so I didn't play the end, does it make any difference in the story/gameplay having them on your side?
#1039
Posté 29 août 2012 - 08:39
Totally agreemrjoshiepoo wrote...
they did a nice job on this dlc. i def enjoyed it.
#1040
Posté 29 août 2012 - 08:47
Modifié par Voodoo2015, 29 août 2012 - 08:57 .
#1041
Posté 29 août 2012 - 08:52
I thought the combat was a bit tedious but that's just me, I don't play ME to shoot stuff, I play for the atmosphere and the story, which Leviathan done well.
Overall, I don't know, it still doesn't help with the problem I have with ME3 in that this whole Organic vs. Synthetic issue is a load of crap or that the Shepard breathe scene is still ambiguous.
Modifié par Lakeshow1986, 29 août 2012 - 08:52 .
#1042
Posté 29 août 2012 - 09:01
At first I was a bit worried when EDI walked in that for the rest of the DLC I would be stuck with her, so they did not have to pay the other squadmate-VAs for new lines (like in Arrival), but luckily I was wrong about that.^^
Exploring the lab was pure bliss afterwards, EDIs and Sheps lines made me burst in laughter more then once and as an old Resident Evil Fan (1-3 and Veroncia, there are no other games) it was fun checking around and putting pieces together.
Then on the mining colony. I mentioned I am RE fan, didn't I? Loved that part. The creepy workers, all talking like puppets... then the scene with fake Garneu behind the window ... can you say cold shivers? Great piece! Also I laughed out loud when I was at the reception and only after Liara pushed the call-button, they noticed my presense again.
The rest then was pretty basic. Playing "shoot the Reapers", mixed with an "escort-the-drone", an okay filler inbetween cutscenes. Nothing special.
Again I was very happy to run the ship after every mission to score the new lines from my mates. The best ones usually coming from Liara and Garrus of course. One thing I am not sure about: Did the Intercom-Flirting between Tali and Garrus always happen, or is that something new? I am not sure, if I heard all those lines before.
And then came the final part and I really liked that one as well. Not the fighting to pluck in Duracells surely, but the dive, damn that was fun. Ironically this reflects very much on the beginnings of science fiction and Verne, where the deep sea was just as unexplored and as alien as space. Of course the implication of the Leviathan being pretty much a sea moster is not lost on me as well.
The dive then was fun, I am not sure if you have to be faster on higher difficulties, but I had enough time look around and take in the nice underwater scenery with giant Han... jelly fishes. Then the rise of Leviathan(s), first the bubbles, then the first glimpses. Mind you, I carefully avoid any kind of spoiler, so everything it said came as a suprise to me, I even was suprised it was not just a Reaper-defector. Made for a nice "holy ****"-feeling.
The ending scene then could have been a bit longer, there should have been a bit more pillow talk with Liara (or your respective LI) about the things Shep experienced down there, but her line about not wanting a "tentacle creature" in my head except for herself knocked me out. Sigh... want more Ali Hillis!! (I actually had to play a bit of SWTOR afterwards to romance a cute Twi'lek with my Knight, just to hear more Hillis lines^^). If you want to do anything right Bioware, keep Liara for the next game in the universe, she has more then enough lifetime left^^
Anyway, you can say that I was very happy with the DLC. But I did not manage to play through the game again, because I already had a lot of doubts that there would be significant changes to the endings. It is still an open wound I guess, the EC aplied a nice bit of ointment, but I still don't feel particularly happy about it. And now it is even less understandable.
I mean how much work could it be to change the "Refuse-Ending" from "Told you so, idiot" to "You win, because you now have allies who actually can control Reapers and also have a big pool of knowledge about them?"
With the Leviathans there IS a realistic chance to win this war without using the Crucible. If each of them could control only one capital ship and slam them into another the Reapers would loose 6 of those big baddies in a single attack. Based on the number of times the Leviathan can do that, and combining them with the fleet you have...
Of course, it is very likely that the Leviathan will then try to conquer the galaxy themselves, but... can you say "Plothook for new game?"
I just feel like the assistance you aquired is completely undervalued. I mean if their help does not make any difference why give us that chance at all? It would most likely have been more elegant to have a whole Reaper fleet appear and boil the ocean with their creators (Mmmh... Lobster) in it and Shep barely escaping.
Ah, whatever. I think I will not think about the endings anymore. Bioware definately won't change them and has obviously just ignored the best and probably last chance to give the fans another happier option.
My game ends with Anderson dying, the Crucible destroying the Reapers (and them alone), and Shep getting rescued from the Citadel by his Squadmates. Period.
Although... I just got an idea for a fanfic... hmmm...
#1043
Posté 29 août 2012 - 09:25
plus Everything about Reaper related Mission always gave me Extra/ Mega/ giga/ no.... GIGA Vibe
and i have to say this is a lot better than LOTSB
Yeah sure doesn't change the ending, but who cares.
Sad I will buy this DLC two months later and not now
Modifié par 4ut0b4hn5child27, 29 août 2012 - 09:27 .
#1044
Posté 29 août 2012 - 09:42
Foxbat Killer wrote...
I thought it was quite good.
I agree, mainly I just play the game and dont continue to TIM's base because i love the game but hate the endings lol
#1045
Posté 29 août 2012 - 09:59
PolBear wrote...
I enjoyed it, the atmosphere was nice. Did anyone bring Javik with them in this DLC? I had Liara and Garrus with me, but I guess Javik would have something to say about this.. lol
Yeah, Javik questions whether or not befriending a Reaper is a wise choice, considering that they originally believed that it was a traitor to its own kind and so he wondered if it might turn on them if they managed to win the war. Aside from that, he makes a few offhanded comments here and there, but nothing really significant.
And yeah, just finished it about 10 minutes ago and I have to say that I'm very satisfied with the DLC itself and the answers that it provided regarding the origins of the Reapers. Although this does open up the possibility of an even greater threat than the Reapers in future installments, especially in the Destroy and Control endings since the Leviathans are quite possibly *the* most advanced race in the galaxy's entire history and they don't seem to be terribly nice, being more akin to Cthulhu and the other Great Old Ones so they'll more than likely attempt to reestablish their dominance over everything once the war's over.
#1046
Posté 29 août 2012 - 10:12
#1047
Posté 29 août 2012 - 10:22
#1048
Posté 29 août 2012 - 10:29
KiddDaBeauty wrote...
I love how BioWare actually put a dinosaur into this DLC xD
They sure are listening to what the latest memes are on BSN =)
The synch kill and overpowered comment from EDI made me laugh out loud
#1049
Posté 29 août 2012 - 10:49
It'd be revealed that they actually held back the majority of their resources even during their uneasy alliance with the other races such as starships, weapons and other extremely advanced tech, and there are actually thousands of Leviathans if not more scattered across the Milky Way. Since most of the spacefaring races' militaries were all but decimated, they'd be almost helpless to stop the Leviathans and so Shepard has to gear up one final time to save the galaxy.
Modifié par Lord of Nightmares, 29 août 2012 - 10:50 .
#1050
Posté 29 août 2012 - 10:55





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