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[LilLino]

Really enjoyed the DLC, but after beating it I'm not sure what should I think about Leviathans.

I don't know if they're evil or simply ruthless jerks that wanted to be worshiped. We have no real idea how they treated 'lesser' races. We see examples of mind-control, but since these races managed to create AI on their own meant they had to be pretty damn advanced.

Also Leviathan doesn't seem to be really interested in murdering people and they created catalyst to stop wars in the first place.

So, I wonder, how far did their control of organics go during their cycle.

[johnj1979]

I am not sure what to make of this Leviathan DLC the playthrough is OK, but it is no "Lair of the Shadows Broker" or "Stolen Memory" and I don't know what it adds to the ending of the game.

After playing through the DLC I am starting to think that the "StarChild" is Harbinger and that Shepard is fighting indoctrination, but I know that is impossible because of the previous games and DLC, so STILL NO ANSWERS.

Also that story of the DLC got me thinking of the TV Serise Babylon 5

Modifié par johnj1979, 29 août 2012 - 06:46 .

[RinuCZ]

Ibn_Shisha wrote...
Which is not to say I didn't enjoy playing it, just an "I-see-what-you-did-there":alien:

Yeah, after playing the DLC it occured my mind that the conclusion of trilogy was supposed to prepare a stage for ME4's bigger threat. "See, Shepard screwed. The enemy was just a console of true boss hidden behind a curtain. Oh, here they are." I wouldn't be surprised if Crucible was designed by Leviathans themselves, so they can patiently wait in a safety until other races do the work.
I'd have welcomed if they had saved it for a next installment and had given this story and its characters a decent ending. *sigh* But enough with my ranting. 

Modifié par RinuCZ, 30 août 2012 - 03:48 .

[Prism]

You know, I can't help but wonder how it would've been to recruit Leviathans scattered throughout the galaxy instead of that mad quest for the Crucible. And then, after a supposed victory over the Reapers, a sort of crysis with the Leviathans to decide the future of the galaxy..

Yea, speculations.

[bult0055]

I didn't like the DLC that much... Too short (less than three hours on hard, and even got stuck because of a stupid bug on a ladder), too easy... Some nice punchlines and beautiful scenery.
But not what I expected, not at all...

But gotta love the head that scared the hell out of James

Modifié par bult0055, 29 août 2012 - 07:11 .

[Squeam]

Nyoka wrote...

I think the whole thing can be summarized with a picture.

I agree with this, wholeheartedly.

And I'm pretty disappointed by this DLC.

[Sonashi]

Well I must admit that Levi made me think again about the endings. Before that dlc I considered only destroy and synthesis as a valuable options. I accepted (it doesn't mean I liked) this after EC. But now Control comes to play and even Refuse damn it. Imo choosing specific ending you have to think about post-war galaxy and leviathans knocking at the doors. Thanks Bio, I must accept me3 again somehow. Don't get me wrong, I think this new dlc was good, had SOME original ME magic, but I somewhat regret playing it. Strange feeling

[panamakira]

ElitePinecone wrote...

panamakira wrote...

I thought it picked up in the later half of the story. Overall I thought it was pretty cool for the sake of the lore however I'd like to know if it makes any difference in the end game?

I would think that having the Leviathans on your side indoctrinating Reapers would have given some ****ing serious advantage to kick ass. I mean there were at least three Leviathans that could do some serious indoctrination of Reapers so they could kill each other but I guess that would be too much to ask for~

I loaded a 20+ hr save to play the DLC so I didn't play the end, does it make any difference in the story/gameplay having them on your side?

No - apart from more War Assets.

Ugh~ See that right there doesn't make any damn sense. The Leviathans have a lot of potential and I have a feeling BW can continue the story with an expansion pack or something since they seem more powerful than Reapers. I liked the DLC I just feel like it didn't fit in with the ending. It should have made a difference~

[xsdob]

Here's a nice review of the leviathan dlc fron RAD of blistered thumbs.

http://www.blistered...-dlc-leviathan/

[johnj1979]

This story should of been the main theme of Mass Effect 3.

Maybe if they had put Leviatthan, Genophage and Rannoch togehter then maybe Mass Effect 3 could of been on its way to being a half decent game.

[Sonashi]

LilLino wrote...

Really enjoyed the DLC, but after beating it I'm not sure what should I think about Leviathans.

The same feeling here.

LilLino wrote...

I don't know if they're evil or simply ruthless jerks that wanted to be worshiped. We have no real idea how they treated 'lesser' races. We see examples of mind-control, but since these races managed to create AI on their own meant they had to be pretty damn advanced.

Well I've never thought I could say that but I'm with the Reapers with that one. I can't imagine a new galaxy with race who can gain absolutely power over the rest. They are bigger threat than that God-child. They are threat to themselves frankly. So thanks to that I can finally choose Control. Or Refuse, let the Reapers finish their cycle and kill their creators, so the next cycle can choose their fate without fear.

LilLino wrote...

Also Leviathan doesn't seem to be really interested in murdering people and they created catalyst to stop wars in the first place.

So, I wonder, how far did their control of organics go during their cycle.

Well their attitude says otherwise. They ruled the galaxy. They were seen as gods. In return they protect their servants. I think it was too soon to foreshadow the next main threat of the universe. Welcome ME 4

Absolute power does corrupt absolutely.

[Xarathox]

Anybody else notice the ancient alien cave man paintings on the cliff face when rescuing Ann Bryson from the reaper attack? They're supposed to be what, millions or billions of years old? How does that work? Natural erosion would've wiped away all traces of them a long ****ing time ago...unless they discovered a compound resistant to weathering, along with erosion proof rocks?

I would question if BW even does research anymore, but this should be common knowledge for anyone who's graduated high school. <.<

[Roivas_Alenko]

Really enjoyed the DLC. Story, level design, music, all was great. I spend a really good time following the story.

Thx a lot & hope next one will be as good as Leviathan (omega?? ^^)

[GraysonJ507]

Nyoka wrote...

I think the whole thing can be summarized with a picture.

Is that pic from the next DLC "The Labradorian"?

[Ieldra]

I'd like to add that I find the atmosphere and the locations in Leviathan great. Probably overall the best atmosphere of any mission in any ME game. The creepy mining colony, that feeling of tracking something very elusive you get in Bryson's lab, the ocean of Despoina (great name for the planet too) with that Bermuda triangle feeling and then the underwater sequence. Extremely well done, Bioware!

The added backstory for the Catalyst and the Reapers is satisfactory. Perhaps not great, but it does its job and gives a second source for the Catalyst's claims which was very much needed. Thus it adds plausibility to the ending scenario. The leviathans as a species.....scary. I think they're a fitting addition to the ME universe.

All in all, I'm very satisfied with this DLC. Definitely worth its € 8. The experiment of doing something a little different with the existing mechanics turned out surprisingly well, even though the clue system is simplistic, it works as intended.

[B.Shep]

LilLino wrote...

Really enjoyed the DLC, but after beating it I'm not sure what should I think about Leviathans.

I don't know if they're evil or simply ruthless jerks that wanted to be worshiped. We have no real idea how they treated 'lesser' races. We see examples of mind-control, but since these races managed to create AI on their own meant they had to be pretty damn advanced.

Also Leviathan doesn't seem to be really interested in murdering people and they created catalyst to stop wars in the first place.

So, I wonder, how far did their control of organics go during their cycle.

They didn't control the "lesser species" all the time after all that pretty much would have reduced the thralls to mindless zombies, much like those people inside that mining facility which were under Leviathan control for 10 years.
So my guess is they liked to play as deities being worship by the other races and only appearing (assuming control) from time to time to receive their offerings and reinforce their rule as gods.

[GraysonJ507]

ME2 is now completely pointless; ME3 took suspension of reality and threw it out the window in favor of some ad-lib style plot written by some high school freshman

"Yeah, yeah! And right before the final mission with the space magic chicken leg, we can send them to talk with the OG reapers who will be like, 'we heard you needed some help,so we conveniently have this power that we never bothered to use to help any other race!' then the second OG reaper will be like, "Yeah **** da protheans ' annnndddd end scene"

[Zan51]

Loved the DLC. Some great gameplay, and some of that awful, suffocating and depressing foreshadowing was gone for once! Shep felt like my Shep from previous games. Her one liners were great, as were the Easter eggs! As others have said,. welcome back my confident kick-ass Shepard instead of the ass-kicked, whipped "excuse me for fighting a pointless battle/cause" style Shep that I felt imposed on me in the last missions of ME3!

Loved the new areas we explored - great landscape, great ambiance. Thought the underwater sequence would have been longer for us to explore a little, sadly it was not.

I. too, would have liked the lab as a hub to just mooch around and use that Galaxy Viewer as a kind of outside the Normandy aide to planning missions too, Waste of a good resource. Liara would love it! I took Garrus and Kaidan with me and got some concern from him before going down into the ocean, which was a nice touch!

What I am concerned about is the foreshadowing of this cuttle fish "A[pex civilization" waiting to emerge and rule us. Sure they seem fairly benign in that they allowed their thralls to develop AI and VI without interfering, but I hate the idea of any Overlords with a vengeance. I do not want the "Oh, we defeated the Reaper shadows-of-the-real-thing, only to face the real Organic Reapers afterwards!" Yes, I am a Proud Destroy ender.

If you chose synthesis then there is no threat from them as they are part of the green and glowing galaxy wide hegemony of bland. And I HATE with a vengeance being pushed into the Synthesis is Best ending just as I deplored being pushed in DA2 into "Kill your sister the mage because she might just become a blood mage!" Bioware should stop forcing morally wrong endings on us, because that is all it is.

Still, I did love this DLC, well done with it, Bioware!

Modifié par Zan51, 29 août 2012 - 09:21 .

[Ghouldaddy]

Best DLC of the Series in my Opinion. I really enjoyed the nod's to Mass Effect 1, the lab and the lovecraft vibe in the Asteroid. I will buy as many of these DLC's as you can make if they live up to this standard. Is their an item for Shepards Cabin that I missed?

[VOOYAH]

So if I'm correct the "intelligence" created Harbinger on the first cycle by harvesting the "Apex/Creator" race who are essentially organic reapers....and didn't Leviathan also explained that 1 perfect reaper is made every cycle. So doesn't that mean Harbinger was able to destroy the "Apex/Creator" race all by himself during the first cycle??

Leviathan also stated that the Reapers had to perfect indoctrination over the cycles meaning that Harbinger was a "1st generation reaper" thus making it hard for him to indoctrinate the "lesser races" to assist him in the first cycle harvest....They the "Apex/Creator" race lost and hid away even though we see Leviathan taking out a Reaper with merely a thought?????

[Mr Heatsink]

Well that was a real eye opener. I really loved the whole nervous vibe on that mining asteroid. And it had a conspiracy vibe as well. Sifting through all the info in the lab to find the answer really added to the whole story in my opinion. Was a pretty good bit of DLC. Very clever as well as it added some extra explanation to the ending as well. A nice piece. Well I wonder whats next.

[BrookerT]

The conversation with Leviathan was amazing, really cleverly done. Take that sovereign

[B.Shep]

VOOYAH wrote...

So if I'm correct the "intelligence" created Harbinger on the first cycle by harvesting the "Apex/Creator" race who are essentially organic reapers....and didn't Leviathan also explained that 1 perfect reaper is made every cycle. So doesn't that mean Harbinger was able to destroy the "Apex/Creator" race all by himself during the first cycle??

Leviathan also stated that the Reapers had to perfect indoctrination over the cycles meaning that Harbinger was a "1st generation reaper" thus making it hard for him to indoctrinate the "lesser races" to assist him in the first cycle harvest....They the "Apex/Creator" race lost and hid away even though we see Leviathan taking out a Reaper with merely a thought?????

Harbinger was born from the leviathans, It was the pawns that the "intelligence" created that harvested the leviathans to create the first reaper. However i guess later Harbinger helped the process.

They used the orbs to release that energy pulse shuting down the reaper. But that is pretty much a defensive strategy since the Leviathans are aquatic and need someone to put their orbs close to the husks for them to be able to control reaper forces, also we saw in the DLC the reapers were pretty much interested in capture some of those orbs.
Hence why they were in hinding.