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[Lars_Himself]

 You guys are being way too harsh. It should have been the ending to the game (Leviathan and Shepard destroying the Reapers together), but it was legitimate content. Scanning, travelling to new worlds... I thought it was a lot of fun. I'm not a big fan of EDI but this mission helped me appreciate her more. It sucks that there isn't ANY mention of Leviathan after the DLC, but I guess Bioware is sticking to their ending... unfortunately. UHG it could have been so much better. Why wasn't this mission included in the original game?1 Its so important! I hate EA!

[Lucrece]

This all powerful race that the Reapers saw as a threat, make no difference in outcome. It's absurd that with the amount of information Leviathans have on Reapers, that all we get is assets that make no difference.

When story developments have no impact on resolution, there is a problem. Too bad that keeping the endings definitely depressing such as Destroy forcing the invalidation of Geth/Quarian peace and EDI's death is too important to those making decisions. Refusal and Destroy at least had more potential for accommodating ending variation.

[Voodoo2015]

Leviathan was fun but didn't do mutch for the game to bad. BW hade a golden chans to do the game and ending even better.

But nooooo....

Modifié par Voodoo2015, 30 août 2012 - 06:32 .

[Voodoo2015]

BrotherWarth wrote...

Really nothing about the Leviathans makes any sense. They can just kill Reapers with their big black balls? They don't even need to put themselves in danger to do it? How did they ever lose to the Reapers?

They said pleace.. ;-)

And the game i still the same. The godchild tells that we will not loos more then we alredy lost but that was not true Edi and the geth Still died. Leviathans didn't do enything and ony 400 i warasset 400 com on...

[Jaron Oberyn]

@Lars_Himself: seriously? The catalyst talks about leviathan. There's 2-3 dialogue options that talk about him.

-Polite

[ShadesX1]

Sooooo let's get this straight, not only does shepard get the ENTIRE GALAXY (( possibly if you put in the work)) together to fight the reapers he/she also manages to recruit the CREATORS of the reapers who are gigantic moody aliens who can easily wipe out reapers, to join the fight...annnnndddd Shepard still dies? (( haven't finished the extended cut yet working on that now)) I CALL BULL! Come on bioware you can do better then that, we know you can. You can't give Shepard EVEN MORE artillery against the reapers and still say well...shepards only human. Yeah only human...LEVIATHAN you made it!

[Voodoo2015]

ShadesX1 wrote...

Sooooo let's get this straight, not only does shepard get the ENTIRE GALAXY (( possibly if you put in the work)) together to fight the reapers he/she also manages to recruit the CREATORS of the reapers who are gigantic moody aliens who can easily wipe out reapers, to join the fight...annnnndddd Shepard still dies? (( haven't finished the extended cut yet working on that now)) I CALL BULL! Come on bioware you can do better then that, we know you can. You can't give Shepard EVEN MORE artillery against the reapers and still say well...shepards only human. Yeah only human...LEVIATHAN you made it!

Yep something like that. Like I wrot they hade a golden chance.. But the didn't take it.

[Blue Face Beast]

Thank you Bioware for the DLC. It was worth 10$ to me and i promiss i will buy any others you make. So please make more. I always want more. Money is no concern, just make it happen and i'll buy.

Bye now.

[Jadebaby]

It was a step in the right direction. Need more contextual information in next dlc, Omega.

I feel that Leviathan is to the Catalyst, what Omega will be to TIM conversation.

[obZen DF]

I really like the fact that there's a possible new 'villain' for future ME games. Leviathans. They sure seem like god-like creatures that can become a real threat when the Reapers are gone.

[obZen DF]

Lars_Himself wrote...

 You guys are being way too harsh. It should have been the ending to the game (Leviathan and Shepard destroying the Reapers together), but it was legitimate content. Scanning, travelling to new worlds... I thought it was a lot of fun. I'm not a big fan of EDI but this mission helped me appreciate her more. It sucks that there isn't ANY mention of Leviathan after the DLC, but I guess Bioware is sticking to their ending... unfortunately. UHG it could have been so much better. Why wasn't this mission included in the original game?1 Its so important! I hate EA!

You're absolutely right. This is such a missed oppertunity. Come on, Bioware.

[N0-Future]

If the Leviathans controlled all the lesser races in the beginning as thralls, why create the catalyst to help bring peace between synthetics and organics??

Surely all they had to do was forbid the lesser races ( their thralls ) from building A.I.'s

Modifié par N0-Future, 30 août 2012 - 09:42 .

[Fireblader70]

N0-Future wrote...

If the Leviathans controlled all the lesser races in the beginning as thralls, why create the catalyst to help bring peace between synthetics and organics??

Surely all they had to do was forbid the lesser races ( their thralls ) from building A.I.'s

Maybe constantly stunting growth of organic civilisations was something they didn't want to do. They probably saw it as an inevitable evolution - obedient synthetics would be quite helpful. Instead of controlling every individual in the galaxy and making sure they were not building synthetics, therefore halting the worship that these Leviathans so crave, they decided to find a solution that meant both organics and synthetics could co-exist peacefully.

Hence, the Catalyst was born. Of course, this is all total speculation. I wouldn't mind hearing from a writer!

[Daryslash]

obZen DF wrote...


- Taking a shower with EDI !!!!!
.

What is this???

[NM_Che56]

Just finished it. Dug it. Can definitely see the origins of the Reapers arrogance; the apple doesn't fall from the proverbial tree.

I don't get why people are saying that Leviathan pushed synthesis...

[Jadebaby]

The Catalyst is definitely painted a bit more clearly now, being that it was the Leviathan's existence which caused organics and synthetics to not be able to coexist.
But why couldn't the AI just kill the Leviathans instead of preserving them in Reaper form?

Was it because;
A) The AI was dedicated to the preservation of life so he couldn't genocide their species, instead preserving them in Reaper form?
He knew once he had completely fulfilled his role, he would have no purpose?
C) In the Leviathan's cycle, the synthetics had rised up too far and the whole cycle needed to be purged, the only way to reset life was to create the Reapers?
D) Other?

Thinking about it now, C seems the most logical to me.

Also, If I am missing something here, I do apologize.

[ghost9191]

may have been said, but gotta love the leviathans.

we see that the "lesser races" create synthetics that in turn rebel against those that created them., so let us create a synthetic to solve the problem of synthetics rebelling against those that created them.

totally gonna work out

[NM_Che56]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

The Catalyst is definitely painted a bit more clearly now, being that it was the Leviathan's existence which caused organics and synthetics to not be able to coexist.
But why couldn't the AI just kill the Leviathans instead of preserving them in Reaper form?

Was it because;
A) The AI was dedicated to the preservation of life so he couldn't genocide their species, instead preserving them in Reaper form?
He knew once he had completely fulfilled his role, he would have no purpose?
C) In the Leviathan's cycle, the synthetics had rised up too far and the whole cycle needed to be purged, the only way to reset life was to create the Reapers?
D) Other?
Thinking about it now, C seems the most logical to me.
Also, If I am missing something here, I do apologize.

Preserve, not kill.  That was the solution the catalyst came up with.

[iamthedave3]

It's kind of interesting to see the sort of fractured identity of the fanbase now. There's essentially two kinds of players now: ones who just want to learn more about the universe because of the ending, and ones who can't bear to hear more about it because of the ending.

Side note; if Bioware are really all about the art, they are hopefully not setting up Leviathan as the next big bad. There's a reason that 'threat to all life as we know it' storylines are the property of action movies, schlock and... well... not art. There's no reason to try and 'top' the reapers. Tell a different kind of story. You've got an entire universe to do it in. Surely you can handle something that doesn't involve a threat to destroy all of it.

[ghost9191]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

The Catalyst is definitely painted a bit more clearly now, being that it was the Leviathan's existence which caused organics and synthetics to not be able to coexist.
But why couldn't the AI just kill the Leviathans instead of preserving them in Reaper form?

Was it because;
A) The AI was dedicated to the preservation of life so he couldn't genocide their species, instead preserving them in Reaper form?
He knew once he had completely fulfilled his role, he would have no purpose?
C) In the Leviathan's cycle, the synthetics had rised up too far and the whole cycle needed to be purged, the only way to reset life was to create the Reapers?
D) Other?

Thinking about it now, C seems the most logical to me.

Also, If I am missing something here, I do apologize.

well i see it as for if it had just wiped out the organic race than it would have done what it was programmed to stop, so it wouldn't have actually fulfilled its role

C) i think is close, but how leviathan was talking, it seemed like the catalyst just attacked out of no where, there was no real synthetic threat to the leviathans. It just saw that synthetics will always rebel and if something wasn't done than all organic life would be destroyed. So it "preserved" them. I just don't think that synthetics were that much of a threat, only that the catalyst saw them as one.

So D for me, but pretty close to c. It was paranoid and decided to destroy life itself in order to preserve it. but just me. the leviathan never actually said they were threatened by synthetics, just that their thralls were, and dead thralls couldn't give tribute or whatever, so i don't thinkn synthetics had become that big of a problem yet. but the catalyst figured or whatever that they would be.

Modifié par ghost9191, 30 août 2012 - 11:30 .

[Jadebaby]

ghost9191 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

The Catalyst is definitely painted a bit more clearly now, being that it was the Leviathan's existence which caused organics and synthetics to not be able to coexist.
But why couldn't the AI just kill the Leviathans instead of preserving them in Reaper form?

Was it because;
A) The AI was dedicated to the preservation of life so he couldn't genocide their species, instead preserving them in Reaper form?
He knew once he had completely fulfilled his role, he would have no purpose?
C) In the Leviathan's cycle, the synthetics had rised up too far and the whole cycle needed to be purged, the only way to reset life was to create the Reapers?
D) Other?

Thinking about it now, C seems the most logical to me.

Also, If I am missing something here, I do apologize.

well i see it as for if it had just wiped out the organic race than it would have done what it was programmed to stop, so it wouldn't have actually fulfilled its role

C) i think is close, but how leviathan was talking, it seemed like the catalyst just attacked out of no where, there was no real synthetic threat to the leviathans. It just saw that synthetics will always rebel and if something wasn't done than all organic life would be destroyed. So it "preserved" them. I just don't think that synthetics were that much of a threat, only that the catalyst saw them as one.

So D for me, but pretty close to c. It was paranoid and decided to destroy life itself in order to preserve it. but just me. the leviathan never actually said they were threatened by synthetics, just that their thralls were, and dead thralls couldn't give tribute or whatever, so i don't thinkn synthetics had become that big of a problem yet. but the catalyst figured or whatever that they would be.

The Catalyst at the end says that the Leviathan's themselves were the reason organics and synthetics couldn't exist. So when the Leviathan's went searching for the answer in the Catalyst, they weren't prepared for the Catalyst to turn around and tell him it was them.
This mean that the Leviathan's could play an imporant part in the final battle, but it would have to be a sacrificial role if the galaxy is ever going to keep harmony between synthetics and organics.

[firstarioch]

After those dreadfull endings both orginal and new I just didnt want any more Mass Effect and promised myslef not to come back as it hurts too much .. Bioware also lied so much about the endings etc that I said enough is enough...

After finishing the DLC i immediately finished the game again and found few extra line in convo with ba******* child.
In all it adds new layer of mystery and introduces new things there... I found myself hating the endings even more however loving the game again ...

I just pretend the endings dont exist you....
but al in all ME universe is amazing no matter how much Bioware wants to destroy it....
And it rekindled my love for it....
just one last time I promise ....i need to say something ...Forgive everyone ..

SCR*W YOU CASEY HUDSON

that feels better again ...

[Asari Goddess]

Did anyone notice that the sphere artifact on the levathian mission looks a lot like the prothean artifact shepard found durring the ME2 project firewalker DLC. O.o

Modifié par lmysterie, 30 août 2012 - 01:09 .

[firstarioch]

lmysterie wrote...

Did anyone notice that the sphere artifact on the levathian mission looks a lot like the prothean artifact shepard found durring the ME2 project firewall DLC. O.o

you are right ...I was thinking the same thing ....

Hmmm.....