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[SRP]

xsamplexample wrote...

SHEPARD ONLY DIES IN SYNTHESIS (and refusal). Im sick of ppl saying he dies in control. Hes just not human anymore.. and as for destroy, that truely is a renegade option; very selfish, since it kills all synthetics as well just so you can live. Unless the geth are al ready dead, destroy is a bad choice.

The kid reminds Shepard that he is partly synthetic so it's assumed that he would die in the Destroy ending. Since Shepard isn't aware that he is in a video game and that with a high enough rating he could live, there's nothing selfish about it. If anything, choosing to do anything but destroy the Reapers is a renegade option since Shepard himself tells TIM that if control fails, everyone is doomed. Shepard has no reason to believe that doing anything other than destroying the Reapers will save the galaxy.

[ShadesX1]

Again it's all on bioware at this point, more DLC in the future for single player ok yeah I enjoyed leviathan but I still can't except Shepard gathers the most powerful military force in the universe PERIOD nothing could stop that much force you add leviathans...and reapers can still win? NO, no I won't believe that.

[xsamplexample]

SRP wrote...

xsamplexample wrote...

SHEPARD ONLY DIES IN SYNTHESIS (and refusal). Im sick of ppl saying he dies in control. Hes just not human anymore.. and as for destroy, that truely is a renegade option; very selfish, since it kills all synthetics as well just so you can live. Unless the geth are al ready dead, destroy is a bad choice.

The kid reminds Shepard that he is partly synthetic so it's assumed that he would die in the Destroy ending. Since Shepard isn't aware that he is in a video game and that with a high enough rating he could live, there's nothing selfish about it. If anything, choosing to do anything but destroy the Reapers is a renegade option since Shepard himself tells TIM that if control fails, everyone is doomed. Shepard has no reason to believe that doing anything other than destroying the Reapers will save the galaxy.

yeah, well Shepard was wrong.  Destroy IS renegade.  Thats why its red.  Its selfish.  You complete your mission, at the expense of syntheic life (and most technology).  

He IS alive in control; he does the damn epilouge.  

Hes dead in synthesis, but the greatest good comes from it, so who the hell cares?  if you bought ME3 assuming sheapard would live, then i dont know what you were smoking.  But give me your guy's numbers cause i want some.    

[B.Shep]

ShadesX1 wrote...

Again it's all on bioware at this point, more DLC in the future for single player ok yeah I enjoyed leviathan but I still can't except Shepard gathers the most powerful military force in the universe PERIOD nothing could stop that much force you add leviathans...and reapers can still win? NO, no I won't believe that.

Did you played the DLC?
Leviathans can't do much without someone to  bring their control orbs close to the Reaper forces.

[xsamplexample]

ShadesX1 wrote...

Again it's all on bioware at this point, more DLC in the future for single player ok yeah I enjoyed leviathan but I still can't except Shepard gathers the most powerful military force in the universe PERIOD nothing could stop that much force you add leviathans...and reapers can still win? NO, no I won't believe that.

No matter what, the reapers win.  Ok, i can buy that.  They are massive in size, number, and power.  They have the ultimate wealth of knowledge on our civilizations.  NO WAY we could beat them head-to-head.  That was never a concern of mine.  I like how refusal kills everyone.  Good addition.  without the Crucible, we're all ****ed.  

I just wish the Leviathan DLC went into the Crucible more.  Maybe they started the Crucible plans, to fix their mistake?  

[B.Shep]

xsamplexample wrote...

SRP wrote...

xsamplexample wrote...

SHEPARD ONLY DIES IN SYNTHESIS (and refusal). Im sick of ppl saying he dies in control. Hes just not human anymore.. and as for destroy, that truely is a renegade option; very selfish, since it kills all synthetics as well just so you can live. Unless the geth are al ready dead, destroy is a bad choice.

The kid reminds Shepard that he is partly synthetic so it's assumed that he would die in the Destroy ending. Since Shepard isn't aware that he is in a video game and that with a high enough rating he could live, there's nothing selfish about it. If anything, choosing to do anything but destroy the Reapers is a renegade option since Shepard himself tells TIM that if control fails, everyone is doomed. Shepard has no reason to believe that doing anything other than destroying the Reapers will save the galaxy.

yeah, well Shepard was wrong.  Destroy IS renegade.  Thats why its red.  Its selfish.  You complete your mission, at the expense of syntheic life (and most technology).  

He IS alive in control; he does the damn epilouge.  

Hes dead in synthesis, but the greatest good comes from it, so who the hell cares?  if you bought ME3 assuming sheapard would live, then i dont know what you were smoking.  But give me your guy's numbers cause i want some.    

Did you realize the only renegade ending is achieved with Control?
Also Synthesis is nothing more than a genetic rape of the whole galaxy, also it is the Catalyst distorted idea of a utopia. It's the worse of all endings.

[SRP]

xsamplexample wrote...

SRP wrote...

xsamplexample wrote...

SHEPARD ONLY DIES IN SYNTHESIS (and refusal). Im sick of ppl saying he dies in control. Hes just not human anymore.. and as for destroy, that truely is a renegade option; very selfish, since it kills all synthetics as well just so you can live. Unless the geth are al ready dead, destroy is a bad choice.

The kid reminds Shepard that he is partly synthetic so it's assumed that he would die in the Destroy ending. Since Shepard isn't aware that he is in a video game and that with a high enough rating he could live, there's nothing selfish about it. If anything, choosing to do anything but destroy the Reapers is a renegade option since Shepard himself tells TIM that if control fails, everyone is doomed. Shepard has no reason to believe that doing anything other than destroying the Reapers will save the galaxy.

yeah, well Shepard was wrong.  Destroy IS renegade.  Thats why its red.  Its selfish.  You complete your mission, at the expense of syntheic life (and most technology).  

He IS alive in control; he does the damn epilouge.  

Hes dead in synthesis, but the greatest good comes from it, so who the hell cares?  if you bought ME3 assuming sheapard would live, then i dont know what you were smoking.  But give me your guy's numbers cause i want some.    

Renegade doesn't always mean bad or evil and Paragon doesn't always mean good and righteous. You need to expand your way of thinking. If you're using colour as your basis for the morality of the ending choices, then I guess Shepard was being bad or evil in Purgatory when he did that salute to the soldiers at the bar. That would also mean that Shepard was being virtuous when he decided to pistol whip Archer in Overlord.

Modifié par SRP, 31 août 2012 - 02:01 .

[Savage Baird]

Such a good DLC! I loved it! Definitely buying future DLC.

[zambot]

B.Shep wrote...

Did you realize the only renegade ending is achieved with Control?
Also Synthesis is nothing more than a genetic rape of the whole galaxy, also it is the Catalyst distorted idea of a utopia. It's the worse of all endings.

Thank you for your brilliant headcanon.  I'm so unlikely to pick synthesis next time.

[Aetheria]

 I was pretty sure Leviathan would be at least enjoyable, and indeed I enjoyed it very much - I think it's on par with LotSB, and in some respects even better.

Some highlights:

- The underwater sequence was very cool, and a fresh experience in ME (wish it had been a bit longer and with more to explore though).
- More team banter ftw. Being able to hear everyone's comments during and after the missions was great, and did a lot to make it feel "complete" and add replay value. (A leg up over LotSB, here.) I'm hoping this will be true for future DLCs as well!
- Combat was fun, especially dodging all those Brutes on Despoina.
- And also, calling it "Despoina" was clever and made me smile.
- Loved the extremely detailed environment of Bryson's office, and the more complex investigation scenes.
- It was neat to see EDI, James and Cortez get their moments in the spotlight.
- Each segment had great atmosphere: Mahavid was creepy, the dig site felt genuinely dangerous, etc.

Not so much:

- The one-off dialogues on the Normandy all had the timing way off, so they were painful to listen to even though the writing itself was good. Hopefully this can get fixed in a future patch.
- Moving around and shooting things in the mech was damn near impossible.
- It ended with more exposition about the Catalyst and the Crucible. It would have been cool if the endings had actually been good, but as it is I just don't want to hear any more about it. Please, Bioware, stop trying to convince me that the endings make any sense.

[schwarzaj]

This DLC is pointless. The Leviathans are supposed to be powerful enough to KILL REAPERS, and yet we still have the same three endings. I'm sorry, but does Bioware even understand what narrative consistency is? Change the damn endings, guys!

[B.Shep]

Do you really believe the Leviathans with that huge ego and god complex would be hiding in some water planet if they were able to face the full might of the Reaper fleet?
Just because they can kill reapers doesn"t mean they can win a war against them alone.

If that kind of logic were true then the Turian Hierarchy alone would be able to defeat them  after all they killed several sovereign-class reapers during the battle for Palaven.

Modifié par B.Shep, 31 août 2012 - 03:34 .

[xsamplexample]

Imagine evolution, over millions of years, eventually producing the most-adapted organism (leviathans). On this scale, the galaxy is the habitat and controling lesser-minded organisms are their natural defense/offense. Looking at the galaxy on this objective scale, we see how insignificant common species are. We are like bacteria to the Leviathan.

They created their own all powerful intelligence, which pulled a SkyNet on them, and now we're all caught in the middle of their little tiff.
....Thats what Bioware wants everyone to take away from the DLC

[xsamplexample]

SRP wrote...

xsamplexample wrote...

SRP wrote...

xsamplexample wrote...

SHEPARD ONLY DIES IN SYNTHESIS (and refusal). Im sick of ppl saying he dies in control. Hes just not human anymore.. and as for destroy, that truely is a renegade option; very selfish, since it kills all synthetics as well just so you can live. Unless the geth are al ready dead, destroy is a bad choice.

The kid reminds Shepard that he is partly synthetic so it's assumed that he would die in the Destroy ending. Since Shepard isn't aware that he is in a video game and that with a high enough rating he could live, there's nothing selfish about it. If anything, choosing to do anything but destroy the Reapers is a renegade option since Shepard himself tells TIM that if control fails, everyone is doomed. Shepard has no reason to believe that doing anything other than destroying the Reapers will save the galaxy.

yeah, well Shepard was wrong.  Destroy IS renegade.  Thats why its red.  Its selfish.  You complete your mission, at the expense of syntheic life (and most technology).  

He IS alive in control; he does the damn epilouge.  

Hes dead in synthesis, but the greatest good comes from it, so who the hell cares?  if you bought ME3 assuming sheapard would live, then i dont know what you were smoking.  But give me your guy's numbers cause i want some.    

Renegade doesn't always mean bad or evil and Paragon doesn't always mean good and righteous. You need to expand your way of thinking. If you're using colour as your basis for the morality of the ending choices, then I guess Shepard was being bad or evil in Purgatory when he did that salute to the soldiers at the bar. That would also mean that Shepard was being virtuous when he decided to pistol whip Archer in Overlord.

yes your right, but I never said i think of it as 'good and bad'- i never did.  But renegade IS, by definition, the do-anything-to-get-it-done, apathetic approach, while Paragon was always the diplomatic, morally sound choice.  They were trying to be ironic with TIM's choice being the better than destroy (it is) and synthesis being the 'best option', since both were ideals held by the enemy.  Youre closed minded if you didnt take those color choices and meaning to heart, and your obviously reaching.  

[B.Shep]

And Shepard forced them to take part: The reapers know where you are hiding, fight or die!

Modifié par B.Shep, 31 août 2012 - 03:56 .

[Lionheart316]

Wariyaka wrote...

So now when we all the players on the board so to speak...

What if Leviathan been included from scratch..
What if it been The Catalyst..
What if the Citadel just a means for powering The Crucible...
What if the plans for The Crucible originated with Leviathan...
What if the very creators of the mess was there trying to set it right again...

But noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...
That be soooo mundane and might actually even make kind of sense...

So we settle with Yo Dawg and scripts by Tie Dog...

1. Nah I don't think they had the time, they were too busy with From Ashes.
2 - 5 Going to skip on it. Not what I'm here to put in my 2cents.

I just finished the Leviathan DLC. It was interesting to say at least, maybe worth $5-8 on it. An extra mission would fit a nice $10. But I still don't understand the notion that the Leviathan will survive if they have chosen Destroy. As far as I'm concern, it still hits all synetatics  and last I checked, the Leviathans are synetatics. 

So what's there to concern about except Control or Synethesis where there's still a possiblily that the Leviathans will be out there. Waiting.... Soon....

[SporkFu]

After playing the DLC, I started to wonder about a possible connection between the Thorian and the Leviathans. The Thorian was millions of years old. Perhaps the two species had a common ancestor, or perhaps the Thorian was genetically engineered. I think a 'Return to Feros' DLC would be kinda cool.

[Voodoo2015]

xsamplexample wrote...

ShadesX1 wrote...

Again it's all on bioware at this point, more DLC in the future for single player ok yeah I enjoyed leviathan but I still can't except Shepard gathers the most powerful military force in the universe PERIOD nothing could stop that much force you add leviathans...and reapers can still win? NO, no I won't believe that.

No matter what, the reapers win.  Ok, i can buy that.  They are massive in size, number, and power.  They have the ultimate wealth of knowledge on our civilizations.  NO WAY we could beat them head-to-head.  That was never a concern of mine.  I like how refusal kills everyone.  Good addition.  without the Crucible, we're all ****ed.  

I just wish the Leviathan DLC went into the Crucible more.  Maybe they started the Crucible plans, to fix their mistake?  

The refusal ending was an fu a slap in the face to the fans.. Becaurse now I can not shoot that damn #"¤R%¤¤" bratchild the catalyst. U don't lika our ending then Fu.

[shepdog77]

Just got unbanned. Downloaded and played Leviathan as soon as it was released. I was very impressed with it, I'd say it's my second favorite ME dlc next to LotSB.

[S0DAP0P]

The DLC was fantastic. I just wish the Leviathans had been better integrated into the main storyline. Aside from a few subtle changes to dialogue the game is the same.

Next stop, Omega.

[obZen DF]

SporkFu wrote...

After playing the DLC, I started to wonder about a possible connection between the Thorian and the Leviathans. The Thorian was millions of years old. Perhaps the two species had a common ancestor, or perhaps the Thorian was genetically engineered. I think a 'Return to Feros' DLC would be kinda cool.

Indeed, I'm in!

[firstarioch]

They wont change those disastrous endings unfortunately .
For me even before Leviathan DESTROY ending was CANON and only ones that is not just creepy .
SYNTHESIS is like everyone is ZOMBIEFIED and just plane nonsensical and CONTROL just doesnt make any sense as what Sheppard becomes GOD? -just idiotic.

Also believing Basta*d VI child is no option for me anyhow and never was. Its lying to justified its nonsensical cause . Its basically a rogue AI which needs deactivation.

All in all endings so suck now even more than before that is criminal of Bioware to stand by them .
In the face of this incredible series and emotional impact endings dont give this series justice and are so anticlimactic that i have no words to descibe it...

This will be remembered as the biggest fiasco on gaming history and how to alienate fans.
I mean how can a company that creates such a compelling and emotionally resounding story, can get the resolution to this story so wrong is beyond me....

[RainGirl2]

Since the Leviathan DLC, my brain can not stop analyzing certain facts, and I fear I'm overanalyzing:

"StarChild" was CREATED (who's really surprised... but it still *could have been a ghost child, or a figment of our paranoid indoctrinated state of imagination). StarChild is an AI who leads the Reapers into harvesting technologically advanced organics in order to avoid synthetic rebellion against their creators. StarChild: the first ever created AI, rebelled against their creators, the Leviathans.

The Leviathans created the AI to maintain balance throughout the galaxy, and the AI's response? Kill organics, because they will create synthetics (like itself), and the synthetics will rebel (like itself). The StarChild AI is THE first example of synthetic rebellion, literally.

However, the StarChild AI and Reapers ALSO harvest synthetics of the "harvest cycles".  Why not just add some fellow AI buddies to crusade through the galaxy to aid in their mass genoc - I mean harvest cycles?  Because they're cowardice, selfish, super powered tyrants who were never taught the value of sharing (bad parenting Leviathans), that's why.  This isn't a method to avoid "chaos".  They are literally the essence OF chaos. 

They don't want to be overpowered.  They're scared.  They want to LIVE, and allowing any other species (organics and/or synthetics) will allow the possibility of their demise.   "It is not a thing you can understand... The created will always rebel against their creators..."  Come again?  Don't throw your terrible childhood and bad life choices on me, ****ing StarChild AI.

Look at the Geth.  YES they evolved into a true AI.  Did they take some shots to the face for asking questions?  YES, so of course they rebelled.  Who would just stand there and take a bullet just for existing?  With their evolution, they gained curiosity.  They felt.  They united.  They defended themselves.  They gained understanding.  They were able to be reasoned with.  It took a few bumps in the road, but they pulled through (if you gave them the appropriate nudges in your gameplay, that is).  In the ME galaxy, synthetics CAN coexist with organics just as easily as organics can coexist with organics.

StarChild AI even has the audacity to "encourage" synthesis?  Well, they don't want to be "controlled", and they obviously don't want to be destroyed...  Should I interpret this as some sort of prideful begging for life?  I think I will.  If the StarChild is infact an AI, and Shepard's not indoctrinated, I will destroy ever time.

I have high hopes that Bioware has some surprises still in store for us.  I've been blown away by their ME story telling, both books and games.  I respect what they're doing by sticking to their art (even though I may not LIKE a certain PART of the art). It's definitely something they can build off of, though. We'll just have to wait and see.

[AlexMBrennan]

Actually, I disagree. I think Leviathan did a reasonably good job of shoring up the endings - now, there is adequate exposition for Shepard to actually consider Catalyst's proposal and all 3 are choices are reasonably viable:

Destroy: Reapers are the real threat, and Leviathan depends mostly on "shock and awe" - you see it one-shotting a Reaper, and are supposed to assume that they can easily repeat that but for all you know it will take them a century to recharge that pulse. Plus, remember the brutes fighting? If the Leviathans could easily control large crowds (a requirement for them being a threat) then they'd have taken control of all Reaper forces and made them jump into the sea. The brute fight suggests that they can't control more than one at a time...

Control/Synthesis: Leviathans are a real threat, and we can't afford to throw away the Reaper ships; instead, we'll fight the Leviathans with the combined forces of the galaxy including the Reapers; either by asking them to help us (Synthesis) or enslaving them through a new guardian AI (control)

It's also an obvious sequel hook for the post-Reaper ME universe.

Of course, it introduces yet more plot holes and retardedness, and I think that they should just have cut Godchild rather than attempting another botched fix, but that's not the point here.

[B.Shep]

AlexMBrennan the entry on the war assest stated it would be necessary time for them to form a army of reaper forces.... So yeah you are right, they aren't all powerfull like they claim to be.
Besides as i said before if they really had that much power they wouldn't be hiding in the bottom of a ocean.