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[TMA LIVE]

Is there any characters that has any special dialogue during missions? Or is everyone pretty much saying the exact same thing, and not anything different or special?

[RainGirl2]

xsamplexample wrote...

SRP wrote...

xsamplexample wrote...

SRP wrote...

xsamplexample wrote...

SHEPARD ONLY DIES IN SYNTHESIS (and refusal). Im sick of ppl saying he dies in control. Hes just not human anymore.. and as for destroy, that truely is a renegade option; very selfish, since it kills all synthetics as well just so you can live. Unless the geth are al ready dead, destroy is a bad choice.

The kid reminds Shepard that he is partly synthetic so it's assumed that he would die in the Destroy ending. Since Shepard isn't aware that he is in a video game and that with a high enough rating he could live, there's nothing selfish about it. If anything, choosing to do anything but destroy the Reapers is a renegade option since Shepard himself tells TIM that if control fails, everyone is doomed. Shepard has no reason to believe that doing anything other than destroying the Reapers will save the galaxy.

yeah, well Shepard was wrong.  Destroy IS renegade.  Thats why its red.  Its selfish.  You complete your mission, at the expense of syntheic life (and most technology).  

He IS alive in control; he does the damn epilouge.  

Hes dead in synthesis, but the greatest good comes from it, so who the hell cares?  if you bought ME3 assuming sheapard would live, then i dont know what you were smoking.  But give me your guy's numbers cause i want some.    

Renegade doesn't always mean bad or evil and Paragon doesn't always mean good and righteous. You need to expand your way of thinking. If you're using colour as your basis for the morality of the ending choices, then I guess Shepard was being bad or evil in Purgatory when he did that salute to the soldiers at the bar. That would also mean that Shepard was being virtuous when he decided to pistol whip Archer in Overlord.

yes your right, but I never said i think of it as 'good and bad'- i never did.  But renegade IS, by definition, the do-anything-to-get-it-done, apathetic approach, while Paragon was always the diplomatic, morally sound choice.  They were trying to be ironic with TIM's choice being the better than destroy (it is) and synthesis being the 'best option', since both were ideals held by the enemy.  Youre closed minded if you didnt take those color choices and meaning to heart, and your obviously reaching.  

Look at it this way.  You are AGREEING with the Illusive Man when choosing control.  TIM, aside from the Reapers, has been the epicenter of "bad juju" in the ME series through his actions.  He slaughtered and experimented with his own kind, and alien.  He was unknowingly controlled by the Reapers.  IF that isn't anywhere remotely clear enough for you to understand, imagine this:

I just raped and killed your family.  You hunt me down.  When you confront me with the barrel of your gun, I am presented with the opportunity to provide reason for my life. 
(RED)  I tell you shooting me would be wrong, because my life has value, there are people who will avenge me, and I have people I care about who would be hurt by my death.  Plausible, you can defend yourself from the others, but why should you believe me?  I AM your enemy.  
(BLUE)  You look unconvinced, so I proceed to tell you I'll do everything you say to make up for my wrongs, but what I don't tell you is you have to risk the possibility of losing that control over me so I could hurt another person. 
(GREEN)  You're still not convinced; so I make a business proposition.  I offer you riches for a lifetime, things that are too good to be true.  All you have to do is turn around and leave, putting your trust in me.

There's more than just colors.  You are dealing with an enemy who wishes you dead.  They're going to relinquish control, just because you took a step on their base?  They tell you to jump into a giant beam in order to spread your particles alone throughout the universe to synthesize the entire galaxy?  You could destroy them, but would you sacrifice an entire species of AI, along with the possibility of yourself?  There are too many variables to go by color alone.

[B.Shep]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Is there any characters that has any special dialogue during missions? Or is everyone pretty much saying the exact same thing, and not anything different or special?

Yes, eveyone has their own dialogue.

[Jadebaby]

shepdog77 wrote...

Just got unbanned. Downloaded and played Leviathan as soon as it was released. I was very impressed with it, I'd say it's my second favorite ME dlc next to LotSB.

How long were u banned for?

Oh, and to everyone else, Shepard dies in control, deal with it.

[Jadebaby]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Is there any characters that has any special dialogue during missions? Or is everyone pretty much saying the exact same thing, and not anything different or special?

Liara shows her concern before you dive in the atlas, that was sweet i thought.

[TMA LIVE]

B.Shep wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Is there any characters that has any special dialogue during missions? Or is everyone pretty much saying the exact same thing, and not anything different or special?

Yes, eveyone has their own dialogue.

But they don't say anything that different from what I can tell. I'm asking if there's anything like in Legacy or Mark of the Assassin, where you get a unique scene by bringing certain people. Like Anders has a unique scene where he loses it. Your siblings have a unique conversation if you bring them. Varric meets an old friend. etc. Stuff like that.

So far, the only unique thing is if you bring your LI to the last mission.

[B.Shep]

Why don't you play with diferent squadmates to find out?
Don't take me wrong, it's not some kind of insult, it's just right now I am literally hundreds of kilometers away from home, so i can't play to find out.

[TMA LIVE]

B.Shep wrote...

Why don't you play with diferent squadmates to find out?
Don't take me wrong, it's not some kind of insult, it's just right now I am literally hundreds of kilometers away from home, so i can't play to find out.

Because I'd rather be told if there's any special squad dialogue for certain missions with certain characters, then play Levaithan 4 times to find out.

[FumikoM]

TMA LIVE wrote...

B.Shep wrote...

Why don't you play with diferent squadmates to find out?
Don't take me wrong, it's not some kind of insult, it's just right now I am literally hundreds of kilometers away from home, so i can't play to find out.

Because I'd rather be told if there's any special squad dialogue for certain missions with certain characters, then play Levaithan 4 times to find out.

Special? No, just a few different lines here and there. And at the end if you bring your LI. That's it from what I could tell. For some people that might be enough though.

[ElitePinecone]

Re: post-Reaper content or another game set post-ME3...

This looks extraordinarily unlikely. The variables are huge, that was the point of ME3 (for all its rather disappointingly unfulfilled promises about decisions having an impact) - we can leave the galaxy without Reapers, with a Shepard-AI-figure controlling a Reaper fleet, with everyone partly synthetic and glowing green in some kind of crazy technological utopia, or as a wasteland for ~50,000 years (or more?) until a new alien species finally beats the Reapers.

The point of ending the Shepard trilogy here is that (as Casey said) they can do big things to the universe and not have to worry about what will happen afterwards. Whole species can be wiped out, Earth can be obliterated, we can end organic civilisation entirely and let the Reapers win, they can do universe-shaking things with the story that wouldn't make any sense if there was going to be another import into a fourth game.

Is there a story hook with the leviathans and their motives post-endings? Sure - but I'd tend to think it's left in there as "lots of speculation for everyone!", instead of some subtle hint at future content. They're done with the endings (as devs keep reminding us, even as they attempt to explain the ending content for the *third time* with Leviathan), and looking for clues of a hypothetical ME4 strikes me as a bit like wishful thinking that there's going to be some future ending-clarifying narrative cavalry charge.

[AlexMBrennan]

The variables are huge, that was the point of ME3 (for all its rather disappointingly unfulfilled promises about decisions having an impact) - we can leave the galaxy without Reapers, with a Shepard-AI-figure controlling a Reaper fleet, with everyone partly synthetic and glowing green in some kind of crazy technological utopia, or as a wasteland for ~50,000 years (or more?) until a new alien species finally beats the Reapers.

Well, ME4 will be set a few millennia after ME3 when no one even remembers anything about "The Shepard" - just look at what they did to Kotor

[Therefore_I_Am]

[edit] nevermind

Modifié par Therefore_I_Am, 31 août 2012 - 05:32 .

[Verit]

I didn't even realize this DLC had already been released. I just watched it on Youtube. It's funny because before the ME3 release I never imagined myself not buying singleplayer DLC for it, and now I even missed the release altogether. While I don't dislike the ending to the DLC it only makes me dislike the Catalyst and therefore the ending choices even more. It just reminds me about the ending and that's definitely not something I want to be reminded of.

Modifié par -Draikin-, 31 août 2012 - 07:39 .

[RinuCZ]

Jade8aby88 wrote...
Liara shows her concern before you dive in the atlas, that was sweet i thought.

Actually, your LI shows any kind of concern only in the case you're far enough in the game. I started Levi after Palaven/Grissom Academy and nobody appeared to be very concerned.
My Shepard's LI is Liara, so I guess it's tied to the infamous attribute that you have to rekindle a relationship on Citadel later in the game to trigger LI status.

Modifié par RinuCZ, 31 août 2012 - 05:39 .

[Rothgar49]

Does anyone know if Leviathan shows up outside the dlc at. More specifically (silly to ask I know) does it have any kind of impact on the end battle?

[Fiery Phoenix]

Rothgar49 wrote...

Does anyone know if Leviathan shows up outside the dlc at. More specifically (silly to ask I know) does it have any kind of impact on the end battle?

Leviathan is added to your war terminal as a War Asset worth a whooping 400 upon finishing . There's also a few extra lines with the Catalyst regarding Leviathan.

That's pretty much that.

[Rothgar49]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Rothgar49 wrote...

Does anyone know if Leviathan shows up outside the dlc at. More specifically (silly to ask I know) does it have any kind of impact on the end battle?

Leviathan is added to your war terminal as a War Asset worth a whooping 400 upon finishing . There's also a few extra lines with the Catalyst regarding Leviathan.

That's pretty much that.

Oh... colour me disappointed

[Sporozoa]

I've got a question - why Liviathan are hinding his eyes (in doctor's form) when Shepard asks him about the Crucible? Is it a hint that Crucible is Leviathan's vengence device for the Reapers that was building for millenia by indoctrinated civilizations (indoctrinated by Levs not Reapers). It make sense because non-esle from later cycles could know how to begin to build such thing that would 100% eventually stop rouge AI from its experiment. And Catalyst words "we've believed concept was eradicated" aslo make sence because when "lesser races" controled by Leviathans they could erase records of existence of the entire race so the Reapers cant harvest them to the end finally (the race that could destroy them), not only 1 pattern for device. Huh? What do you think?

Modifié par Sporozoa, 31 août 2012 - 08:00 .

[B.Shep]

Disagree. I think you are reading too much in a simply gesture. Besides Levi had no idea what the crucible could do.
Also completely exterminate inteligent races takes a lot o f time and resources so it's not hard to imagine the reapers missed the Crucicle's Blueprints just like they also missed a few things in each cycle, like:Eden Prime's prothean beacon; Thessia's beacon;Ilos research facility...
And several other ruins through the galaxy

Remember they all(Levi, Reapers, Catalyst) are a bunch of arrogants with huge egos that would never admit they are more fallible than they like to acknowledge(EDI even talk about that with Shepard)

Modifié par B.Shep, 31 août 2012 - 09:49 .

[DistantUtopia]

Hmm...after reading this thread for several pages, I am suddenly picturing Leviathans like the Vorlons in third space; extremely arrogant and believing they could make no mistake with their creations. The difference, of course, seems to be the Vorlons kinda learned from that mistake and actually called it their hubris. Leviathans just think "once we get them back under our control, we'll be top dog again." or whatnot.

Makes me wonder if Leviathans actually look different to their thralls like Vorlons do.

[Uncle Jo]

Wow, with the Leviathan DLC, Destroy took another major blow...

[SRP]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Wow, with the Leviathan DLC, Destroy took another major blow...

Not really. The Leviathans were defeated by the Catalyst. If the galaxy can defeat the Catalyst and it's Reapers, they can find a way to defeat the Leviathans if need be.

[Uncle Jo]

SRP wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

Wow, with the Leviathan DLC, Destroy took another major blow...

Not really. The Leviathans were defeated by the Catalyst. If the galaxy can defeat the Catalyst and it's Reapers, they can find a way to defeat the Leviathans if need be.

Dunno. The crucible was destroyed, the allied fleets suffered heavy losses, the Geth are gone and the galaxy is in ruins. And I saw the Leviathan toying with a sovereign-class Reaper like it was nothing. We don't know how much of them are left, but we sure know that they didn't help us because they cared about us. They'll jump in as soon as they can.

We're screwed.

[B.Shep]

Uncle Jo, do you really believe the Leviathans with that huge ego and god complex would be hiding in some water planet if they were able to face the full might of the Reaper fleet?

Right now they can't do much since they have no thralls to work for them placing that control orbs around the galaxy. Sure they can defend their planet with that energy pulses but using it as a ofensive weapon is a entirely different matter.

If they don't behave, they will have to face the same united galaxy that kicked the reapers and with Shepard leading them(again...lol).

Modifié par B.Shep, 31 août 2012 - 10:50 .

[DistantUtopia]

B.Shep wrote...

Uncle Jo, do you really believe the Leviathans with that huge ego and god complex would be hiding in some water planet if they were able to face the full might of the Reaper fleet?

Right now they can't do much since they have no thralls to work for them placing that control orbs around the galaxy. Sure they can defend their planet with that energy pulses but using it as a ofensive weapon is a entirely different matter.

If they don't behave, they will have to face the same united galaxy that kicked the reapers and with Shepard leading them(again...lol).

Well, the thing is we also don't know how many orbs are spread around the galaxy.  Shepard found one in ME2.  Who's to say there aren't more?

I do agree that the Leviathans hid because they can't face the Reaper fleet.  But with the Reapers gone, they could very well decide they could activate those orb-thingys and start indoctrinating people.

Of course, given the endings shown by the DLC, the galaxy does have enough time to rebuild no matter what palette you choose so they'd face a United Galaxy regardless.

Speculations for everyone!