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Inanna Athanasia

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iheartbob wrote...


Two positive things about the new DLC:
+ new weapons!
 


wait, was there new weapons in Levi? I only saw weapon mods, not any new weapons. Or do you mean the new weapon pack DLC?

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GGW KillerTiger wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

GGW KillerTiger wrote...

Love how BioFail made and achievement unlocked by using the things to find the doctors position in a certain order when you have all 6. Yea I used all 6 to narrow the location and still had 3 when the achievement calls for narrowing it down to 1 location. Way to fail BioFail.


.......

Some of the filters are incorrect, to narrow it down to one location you had to apply the right filters based on lore hints, not apply all six at once.

That's why it's, y'know, a puzzle...

Which is completely retarded. If I knew that I wouldn't have just went from left to right activating all six ..... See the point here now? Why give us all of them if they just make it broken .....


If only EDI very loudly said that some of the filters weren't relevant to the search.... *cough*

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Very disappointed with the DLC. Expected a lot more from it.
Its very short; explains the reaper origin, yes, but not much that we already knew.
Everything resumes to 600 or 700 war assets as much, you cant even see the new allies in action on the last cinematics, or even one of those "photos" on the ending showing their destiny.

For the next dlc, if its something explaining the true origin of the crucible, or whatever it is going to be, it would be a nice idea to make it change the end a bit, or to add more info about the characters/places to the end (not just a line of text with the catalyst about it, that was really dissapointing)


Yeah, after having completed another playthrough, I thought how Bioware could make a DLC about the creators of the Crucible (the only two species the Starbrat talks about are Leviathan and thos who´ve first designed the Crucible...).

But first Omega and some ME2 Squadmate DLC :ph34r:

As for my "review":

Ze good points:

- Great Atmosphere
- Loved the "detective work" (I looooved that lab :D)
- Banter was superb
- Liked the innovation of some MP mechanics

Ze not so good points:
- Not enough exploration underwater - that could have gotten really interesting & would have allowed for some new enemies/ unique boss
- I know Leviathan didn´t want to share its knowledge/secrets, but I´d have liked to know more (or have more holographically portrayed)
- Ladder bug on PC :P
- Lack of "closure" regarding the issue of a species which considers itself above all else after the Crucible is fired (but I guess that´s something for our "headcanon"?)


Overall, I enjoyed this DLC very much!! Good going, Bioware :)

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Alright loved the dlc and wanting more dlc

The things I liked
The story and setting.
The new weapons even if I didn't find the rifle
The new war assets need more of them has mp winds down.
The detective work in the lab

Things I didn't like
No new foes
Felt a touch sorter then some past dlc not that bad but was good story wise.

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That being said liked the new lore and the origins of the reapers keep up the good work bw.

Modifié par Talosred, 02 septembre 2012 - 12:28 .


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Downloaded it on launch day, finally got to play it this weekend.

I liked the DLC overall.

Pros:
*Theme (seemed overall less angsty and depressing than the main body of ME3; the DLC almost was hopeful in tone)
*Underwater section was nicely implemented; the physics felt right for movement of the diving mech

Cons:
*Timing (it's very hard to retro-actively insert things out of chronological order in movies/books/games; this is a DLC that suffers from having seen the original/EC ending before playing the DLC)
*Duration (wish it was longer, particularly the underwater section. The underwater section would have been improved by more exploration instead of basically being dropped on Leviathan's noggin. Also would have liked to seen more native plants/animals underwater while in the diving 'mech)
*Another one of those "Reaper Darkstar combat puzzles" at the beginning; I personally hate those

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Leviathans the new villains for future ME games?

http://social.biowar...372/37#13945077

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I highly doubt it.

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The Twilight God wrote...

Leviathans the new villains for future ME games?

http://social.biowar...372/37#13945077


It would be bad they are just too similar. Would seem like the same damn thing.
No BW must complete rethink otherwise it just repetition after repetition.

More DLC to add new things to the endings finishing the series with an finished Mass Effect 3.

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InannaAthanasia wrote...

iheartbob wrote...


Two positive things about the new DLC:
+ new weapons!
 


wait, was there new weapons in Levi? I only saw weapon mods, not any new weapons. Or do you mean the new weapon pack DLC?


I found a Shootgun.. and lots of weaponmods.

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Voodoo2015 wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

Leviathans the new villains for future ME games?

http://social.biowar...372/37#13945077


It would be bad they are just too similar. Would seem like the same damn thing.
No BW must complete rethink otherwise it just repetition after repetition.

More DLC to add new things to the endings finishing the series with an finished Mass Effect 3.


Not necessarily. they don't have the numbers for a reaper style attack, but they can cause civil wars. We would be fighting each other. 

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Well the Leviathan's "positive" outlook helped remind us that even older civilizations are just as crumby as ours (Mass Effect wise). Really interesting with their ability to "telepathically" manipulate other species but only tears at the fact that the Destroy option would be useless--Leviathans could slip up and seize everyone again.

Would've liked to see more of their involvement, other than their War Asset description stating that Reaper forces could be manipulated... would have rather been more epic.

Other than that, not really what I expected... I wish for more but what we got was okay, Rachni being controlled by them and the fact that they dispersed artifacts around the galaxy to watch over.

Hope more comes out of this, finding out that the Leviathans were self-righteous was not very invoking.

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Oh yeah, 10 bucks for 400 more EMS, that's a steal.

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The Twilight God wrote...

Voodoo2015 wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

Leviathans the new villains for future ME games?

http://social.biowar...372/37#13945077


It would be bad they are just too similar. Would seem like the same damn thing.
No BW must complete rethink otherwise it just repetition after repetition.

More DLC to add new things to the endings finishing the series with an finished Mass Effect 3.


Not necessarily. they don't have the numbers for a reaper style attack, but they can cause civil wars. We would be fighting each other. 


Like WWII games god help me no please. They done that a milion of times it is so booooring....Give me something new give me something I can use. Before ME4 the need to finish ME3 first..

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Can anybody tell me, what the fireworks in front of the lab are for? ^^
Where is my useless fire-fireworks-bonuspower?

One thing I've noticed are slight changes in conversations. Liara now remembers that she's visited Shep in ME2 (if you've played the Shadowbroker DLC), for example. And it seems they've added some random lines to the autoconversations.

All in all, I think it's a quite good DLC. Not the best, but they've added some nice details into the maps. Something I missed very much in the main game ...

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There is plenty of room for the games in the era leading to the ME3 as well. Sure, there would be no human spectres beyond Shepard (& Virmire Survivor) but there would still be plenty of other material to use.

Even for pre-ME1 there would be tons of material to use. Say for example... For purely military aspect the First Contact War or the Skyllian Blitz. For more RPG style move there could be colonization & exploration in Skyllian Verge or trying out as a mercenary outfit etc.Lots and lots of possibilities thanks to the rich background of the game. To be honest i would rather not place any games to post-ME3 era at all.

Modifié par WandererRTF, 02 septembre 2012 - 11:46 .


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Leviathan DLC is awesome! I really want to learn more about the Leviathans. Here are my thoughts on that race posted in the other topics:

If we will use D&D classifications, then Leviathans can be called True Neutral creatures. More specifically, the ones with way of thinking built only around preserving the balance of nature. They can be evil when needed, and they can be good when needed. And no matter what they are doing, they always wise and reasonable. Such creatures can be trusted.

...And mind-controlling abilities? It's just their way to communicate, and fight. A part of their phisiology. Such abilities shouldn't be feared while they used by reasonable and wise creatures.

I like the Leviathans race. I like them VERY much.

"Dead thralls give no tribute"
"Dead trees give no oxigen"
"Dead rivers give no water"
"Wasted planet gives no life"
...and so on.

That the point. Evil when needed. Good when needed. Protect the Life and Nature Balance at any cost.

They are not "Mind-Flayers". They are "Druids". And their physiology is very similar to Asari (but much more advanced).

Leviathans don't enslave anyone. They coexist with lesser races like a human coexists with bacteria. Did you ever think that all micro-life existing in your own body was enslaved by you? I don't think so.

For the Leviathans, mind-controlling and mental-communicating is as natural as breathing. This makes them unique, but they are not evil by nature. Evil creatures don't seek the ways to preserve life, and protect their thralls from themselves. Leviathans are True Neural creatures. Wise, reasonable, advanced, and misterious.


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I loved the LA Noire style investigations in the lab. I've been playing LA Noire recently, after picking it up in the Steam sales. Bring on Omega.

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Now that I think about it, it would've been great to introduce a new boss in the underwater level. !

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Overall, I would rate Leviathan as good to very good.

Liked that it gave me more history on who created the Catalyst and how the Reapers came into being.

Underwater world was neat, and many of the battles leading up to that were insane (literally, I was playing it on insanity.)

Would have liked more underwater exploration - I think you devs kind of missed on massive amounts of potential (I appreciate it nontheless and realize the tremendous amount of work that goes into creating such a rich world.)

I also would have liked a cutscene or two during return to Earth showing how Leviathan's involvement affected some of the battles.  A scene where a horde of Reaper forces are overwhelming some of Hammer's ground forces are suddenly turned against one another...brute on brute, banshee vs. banshee.  That would have been cool.  Or Leviathan assuming control of one of the Harbinger-like Reapers in orbit and doing some damage to the Reaper fleet.

I absolutely did not like the dialogue or VA of Ann Bryson.  I felt her character was rather contrived...the VA/dialogue felt shallow, making her character come across as flat/static.  She did not emotionally invest me, at all.  Also, didn't like the way the scientific evidence was uncovered in the Brysons' lab.  It would have made the dlc seem much larger had the info for narrowing down been located in small research stations across the galaxy.  Like those little side missions in ME2 with very basic facilities and a few enemies to dispose of.

Oh, yeah, and the ladder glitch sucked.

I give it 8/10 overall.  Very fun to play.  Thanks!

Modifié par Helios969, 02 septembre 2012 - 01:28 .


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Is the Catalyst Harbinger?

After playing this DLC I feel that it rises more questions about ME3 than it answers.

The way that Leviathan speaks to Shepard it is like the Catalyst (or StarChild) talks to Shepard so is the Catalyst the Reaper known as Harbinger.

If Leviathan can control Reaper forces then doesn't the open up a 5th and 2nd "Control" ending to the game.

Why are the Reapers not different shapes and sizes if the Reaper is the result of the cycle?

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I just played it last night and it was good as far as filling in various information. I didn't end up seeing it as they were worse than the reapers. Actually, I felt like due to the current cycle and their use of the spheres that they were going to be less prone to control everything. I got the impression that Leviathan treated it much the way javik and his society treated their sensory reading ability or whatever it's called. Leviathan actually dominated Shep but to explain information and then dominated a brute to kill others to help get them out of there in the last bit. So I think it was just a natural thing for it/them and believing they are the apex perhaps they felt they needed to dominate. I think that was even brought up within the DLC. It was a lot of information at once once you meet leviathan - total exposition and backstory and hard to get 100% clear on how leviathan would behave should the reapers die. Sure, they could dominate the galaxy, but millions of years in hiding may change that. From my perspective, Leviathan seemed pretty set against building the relays and citidels to hasten harvesting, as if it were an extreme misuse of what it felt was part of its place in the order of things. But having met Shepard and being aware of this cycle and what has been happening could change its behavior. It chose to dominate because it felt it was how it was meant to be. That's my feelings on it.

As for the whole DLC game play - meh. Didn't like the lab set up because I spent a lot of time looking for something that I needed in the first visit which was upstairs but the way they designed the stairs, I didn't even see them. So that was annoying.

Ann Bryson was blah. And the two stops before seeing leviathan were meh. Not like we hadn't understood about indoctrination or mind control. The miners one was good because it illustrated just how powerful it could be to be controlled like that.

The plus side is that Leviathan gives you 400 war assets.at the point in the game I'm at which is before surkesh. Also, I think with Ann bryson and a few other things you grab along the way it totals around 500 more war assets which is a pretty decent take away and made it worth it to me. Haven't even examined the new weapons and mods to weapons in gameplay yet since I use the particle weapon and play casual so the impact is pretty much nominal.

I give it 5/10 on presentation. It's kind of lame for all the talk of it. I won't even bother playing through to starchild because I loathe it beyond priotiry earth - the only thing I like is if I romanced kaidan and he's on my team. That gives is a nice bit of story/romance. But the whole ending is a waste of my time.

For the fact that it gives you actual war assets and weapons 10/10 and almost makes it worth it since it's given automatically as it's a cutscene with no decisions.

For what it gives to the storyline 8/10 but for outcome changes 0/10. A reaper killer - even one with the power it demonstrated on the water planet to kill a reaper deserves a massive modification to the game's ending. BW took a lame route out on that one. How do you get a reaper killer army (even if it's only three) that the reapers fear and have been hunting on your side and not have any impact to the ending scenes? That's the laziest writing I've ever seen, worse than a crappy C movie.

On that note, I'm done buying anything from BW including DLCs and anything MP. ME1 is the only one I'll play. It's the best RPG wise though once you hit Noveria it's kind of just a race to the end. ME2 is pretty good. Love the music, hate the collectors and all collector battles barring the final suicide mission (specifically when the biotic gets you through the swarm). ME3 is kind of garbage in comparison. My femshep doesn't even look ANYTHING like she did in ME1 and ME2. Very jarring since others do though Kaiden and Ash are a bit different but still not so dramatically.

ME3 remains the laziest of them all. Just a bunch of war stuff geared toward halo junkies. Minimal storyline or anything of interest to me. The person in charge of it should be fired. It's just THAT bad compared to the previous two.

Edited to add that I gained the power to dominate. WOO! I think probably everyone gets that. Not sure.

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johnj1979 wrote...

Is the Catalyst Harbinger?

After playing this DLC I feel that it rises more questions about ME3 than it answers.

The way that Leviathan speaks to Shepard it is like the Catalyst (or StarChild) talks to Shepard so is the Catalyst the Reaper known as Harbinger.

If Leviathan can control Reaper forces then doesn't the open up a 5th and 2nd "Control" ending to the game.

Why are the Reapers not different shapes and sizes if the Reaper is the result of the cycle?


I think your last question is their lame answer to the human reaper which most that I know thought was idiotic looking.

I still missed the part about the catalyst and exactly where it came from. Can someone please answer that? I was playing at 1am and all the exposition at that point was hard to follow closely, especially how it was done. I do think it's harbinger as when you choose refuse you distinctly hear the voice change to harbinger as the child fades before the destruction scene that ends with liara, IIRC. I've done three endings out of curiosity. 

After this DLC, I think Control is to take over and indoctrinate shepard and synthesis is to help make the reapers more organic in nature so they can try to destroy leviathan. They really don't want Shep to destroy them and they really don't want Leviathan, a reaper killer, out there with some others like them.

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I liked the DLC, but i felt it could have done a lot better with the material it was presenting.
Of the 4th locations where you get to roam on this DLC i think they are very well made.
The lab was rather functional (not meant to be pretty or anything fancy) and it allowed for different and funny comments to be made, wich is something that's welcomed in any series where you can get somewhat attached to the personality of the characters on it. (EDI, Sheppard, Vega, and the doctor ann bryson?) (you go solo to this location until EDI arrives, and vega appears on the last lab visit)
The minning colony had a nice enviroment, sort of desolated with random scientists walking around in a husk like fashion, it set the DLC for its "dark" and "unknown" theme. I liked the extra notes you could get by exploring, its worth mentioning those flowers you see everywhere on the human presidium are poisonus. The combat felt too linear for my taste on this one, you had to do one "mobile hacking" - "Hacking"objective, while repairing a door, and beign attacked by reapers (husks, cannibals, marauders, banshees and ravagers) (I did this mission with javik and liara, javik does mention something about how interesting where the studies of biotics beign the evolution of humans, and liara makes a comment on how she sliped on noticing suspicious activity on this lab as shes the shadow broker (self critic) and should slep less from now on ( :S ))
Next stage is "namakli" wich is the dig site where doc Ann bryson works, you arrive here and the site is under attack by reapers forces, you see a huge ammount of Harvesters, wich is always a spooky view, and get attacked by them from time to time. The combat here i think its the best of the DLC, you fought trough lines of unstable constructions hanging from the side of the mountain, and you could flank and go above different paths (on the same direction) opening different combat situations very quickly. (i picked Liara and Edi for this mission, liara comments while on the normandy that sheppard had a thing for rescuing scientists on dig sites under attack, and if he nexts decided to help her taking over the shadow broker she would be a bit concerned)
Next big enviroment is despoina. Its mostly combat around here, and its not really challenging (note that i play on insanity, with a soldier class, and i was using only basic weapons level 5 so far). You get to investigate a little prior the attack, and found about other wreckages and how the tripulation of them got controled by the leviathian and eventually made some very bad choices) (i picked liara and Garrus for this one, and theres no outstanding comments on this, besides garrus pointing out that they have done crazy stuff in the past but going solo in the depts of the seas is usually not a good idea)
After the battle you go solo in search for leviathan, The underseas enviroment is magnificent, very well done, good mixture of lights between the dark of the seas and some rare wild life doing its thing, bad thing this part of the game is rather short and could have been expanded with more exploration or maybe even combat (thats if we had a deepwater reaper like the hanar-reaper).
You then find Leviathan... wich takes control of sheppard and a conversation happens inside sheppards mind... at this point i felt bombarded with information, and it was rather hard to process all since its not a light talk you are having here, wish they could have made this conversation longer.
It pretty much explains that leviathans where once the dominant race of the galaxy, and controlled the other lesser species making them pay tribute, until the other races began creating machines, wich eventually started destroying the lesser species, leviathans where not amuzed by this behavior since dead slaves dont pay tribute, they then decided to create its own machines (does not clarify what sort of machines) controlled by an AI (starbrat) to gather information on the lesser species and help them avoiding the lesser species create stuff that will kill them. Leviathans where too proud and overcomfident in that they will not suffer the same destiny as the lesser species regarding their control over machines. Yet the machines the leviathans created revolt, and took control of the galaxy, killing leviathans and forcing them to run and hide, thats how the first reaper "harbringer" was born.
They also point out that they have watched this cycle of "harvesting" repeat itself countless times, and when sheppard mentions the crucible the leviathan says that they have seen the crucible beign built before, but it has never been used (so they dont really know what it does or why it havent beign used)
He mentions that they wish only to stay in the darkness, beign safe, sheppard tells them that HE has found them and the reapers will find them eventually, so they are forced to fight back. Leviathan says that they will fight, but not under the control of lesser species... and that the reapers will pay its tribute in blood.
Sheppard is released from leviathans control and makes its way to the surface, where his squad is under reaper attack, leviathan show some of its power dominating a brute and making it attack the other reapers, while the squad rushes to the shuttle a reaper enters the planet, then the leviathans use their powers to "control" the reaper shutting it down, you escape the planet as you watch the reaper falls inmobile into the darkness of the seas.

And thats the DLC....
I like that it explains how it all started, it doesnt clarify the reasons why the first revolt began tough (starchild 1st machines against the leviathans), but it points where the big "harvesting" cycles began, and the creating of the 1st reaper.
Also people seem to avoid discussing about the orbs... i think this is huge.. after finding the biggest orb ever on Mass effect 1 (the one you access with the trinket the consort gives to sheppard) you get a wall of text that points out how a primitive human is beign watched and tracked by some odd flying object, at this point you imagine or conclude it was the protheans watching the human race, but after this DLC you get to the conclusion that the ones observing where the leviathans... You find a similar orb on Mass effect 2 after completing Firewalker DLC and you actually take it as a trinket to your cabin...

Critics apart from what this DLC could have been, i would recommend people to buy it and play it, i had a good time with it and with the usual BSN criticissm i didnt have high expectations.
It adds to the overall story, you get two weapons (wich where only avaible for 1st weeks order of mass effect) and various and helpfull weapons mods, such as the smg high velocity barrel (armor piercing), pistol ultralight materials, AR omni blade, etc.

Anyone have any toughts on the orbs thing? i would like to have an informated discussion regarding those orbs so please jump into the discussion :)

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Sorry for the typos of my previous post, (or wall o' text), my main language is not english and i do try to writte as best as i can.

Also besdies the weapons, and weapon mods, you get a trinket for your cabin (if you decide to take it) wich consist on a husk head.... yeah rather disturbing... but its a experiment and vega seems to like it. and the Dominate bonus power, wich works as an "AI hack" (the power) but on organics. its a tad different from the dominte of ME2, details can be found on http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Dominate

walktrough avaible on http://masseffect.wi...del:_Dr._Bryson
just keep clicking next mission on the bottom right to get the whole DLC "story"

beh, cant properly link on this thing.. >.<

Modifié par Hantaksk, 02 septembre 2012 - 05:25 .


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Finished the dlc in the morning. Great stuff overall. Awesome level design, good story, loads of dialouges and interaction, long gameplay time and interesting content on the reapers origin. Also love the new items and systems to explore. Definitly worth the price.

Now you prooved that you can still produce good dlcs for SP, BW. Next stop: Romance DLC!