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[BiO]

Henioo wrote...

I don't see it, maybe it's burried somewhere in these 57 pages, but can someone tell me if they talked to Balak after beating Leviathan?

Does the dialogue with him change when he mentions the Reaper that indocrinated the batarians?

Oh, BTW, seems like the Leviathan are responsible for the fall of the batarians, eh?

Not directly. The Leviathan of Dis was already dead.

[B.Shep]

If i am not wrong there is a few chances in the dialogue with Jondum Bau but i have no idea about Balak.

By the way, i agree with Bio_Man about the Leviathan od Dis.

Modifié par B.Shep, 04 septembre 2012 - 06:23 .

[coinop25]

I liked the Reapers better when they were mysterious, Lovecraftian elder gods in sci-fi dressing. Explaining their origin kind of defeated that approach. Oh well.

A bigger issue for me about this DLC is just that it doesn't hold up very well upon replay. Once you've already beaten it, it becomes really apparent that a LOT of this DLC is watching stuff happen rather than actually doing stuff yourself.

Also, I find it kind of funny that nobody mentions how the Reapers are the only things keeping THIS galaxy-subjugating race of monsters at bay ... but acknowledging another inevitable war would've just made the ending that much more bitter for fans.

[ninjaNumber1]

All this game needed was an epic battle at the end where the outcome of the battle is dependent on how well you established relations with the other races and gathered forces.

What you have hear is a group of people who decided to try and be smart ass and screwed up big time. Instead of determining the outcome of the final battle, it became a outcome of the final three choices.

In other words, the outcome of the final three choices was determined by your assets rather than the outcome of the Battle.

That is where the game failed. Simple error really but with devastating effects for anyone invested in the game.

[Don_Esteban]

starlitegirlx wrote...


Not so. Garrus would have also
been gauranteed. If I had no option to do the DLC until after palaven
where I pick up Garrus and the Primarch, Garrus would have been better
than dumb James who wasn't there for ME1. He should have been there. He
would have wanted to be there given he fought to get a task force by
going to his father whom he was never on good terms with going back to
ME1. Garrus should have been in the lab and there should have been
commentary going back to ME1 for true trilogy followers rather than just
the late pickups who like a good shotting game and don't care about
story which is what ME3 seems to have catered to IMO.

Thats wrong... god damnit.... Garrus can die at the assault on collectors base. Pls do some research before posting ****..

if you did really wrong, both Tali and Garrus getting killed and you can shot Kaidan/Ashley at citadel.
James Liara and Edi are the ONLY Squadmembers that are avialable for sure any time in the game under any circumstances.

So whats the point? Doing more work to cover every possibility, thats so much effort, its not worth it...
They just go the "easy" way, choose the mates that are with you a 100%. By
doing this its logical to choose edi and James cause Liara has already
so much time with you in the game (Mars, Thessia, Lair...).

Modifié par Don_Esteban, 04 septembre 2012 - 10:24 .

[ILuvMe3]

So does Leviathan hint towards indoctrination? maybe shepard wasn't being infected by Leviathan cuz he already was! lol

[Doom of Haestorm]

Who wrote this DLC? When Leviathan ended up saying "They are created in Harbinger's image. Our image." I literally through my controller to the floor. Are we to the point were you can't ruin ME3's ending anymore so you have to mess up ME2 instead? I understand how the story changed after the second game, but has Bioware/EA really come to the point of discrediting ME2 all together? Not only that, but you continue to push the out-of-place God-Child logic through this. This is just salt on the wound. I might have forgiven all of that if I GOT A LITTLE HISTORY ABOUT THE REAPERS THAT MADE AN OUNCE OF SENSE! Leviathan took control of reaper soldiers and took down a reaper itself effortlessly, so I still have no idea how they were harvested in the first place. Besides that, I don't even know if anything else was revealed to us.

This DLC was a total waste of $10. I'm getting sick of losing money to you, Bioware. Step up. this sloppy story writing is getting REALLY out of hand. We can't even make good theories anymore, this has become so bad.

[D.Sharrah]

Anyone think that we might get some kind of Reaper forces in MP as a result of Leviathan?

[bmrvorlon]

SRP wrote...

tymtraveller wrote...

I liked the DLC, but the biggest problem is that no matter how you expand the lore, it doesn't change the mediocre-to-lousy ending (even with the extended cut). Now, if the ending could be changed as a result of later DLC...It's just a fantasy, but wouldn't it be great if you could amass enough war assets to actually win conventionally?

I've suspected for a long time that this was Bioware's plan. Considering the things Bioware did and didn't say during the ending debacle, it's not that difficult to piece together the theory that they have something big planned. My thoughts are that we are meant to have the current ending for a while and to let everything sink in. Then maybe in a year or two, as you are suggesting, after additional dlc has been released, we'll get something different.

And why should they suddenly release a different ending year(s) after the game shipped? Not going to happen mate, not even a chance. It would be a giant waste of money and a loss of integrity for Bioware & EA, if they would actually do something like that. So yeah, not going to happen ever.

People should just start to accept the endings we have, there's no point in complaining forever. I'm mean it's not like the "godchild" stepped in out of nowhere, there were a few hints throughout the game suggesting an unknown party involved. I think with the extended cut the endings gained a lot and are acceptable.

Modifié par bmrvorlon, 05 septembre 2012 - 09:40 .

[ElitePinecone]

BiO_MaN wrote...

Henioo wrote...

I don't see it, maybe it's burried somewhere in these 57 pages, but can someone tell me if they talked to Balak after beating Leviathan?

Does the dialogue with him change when he mentions the Reaper that indocrinated the batarians?

Oh, BTW, seems like the Leviathan are responsible for the fall of the batarians, eh?

Not directly. The Leviathan of Dis was already dead.

The downfall of the batarian Hegemony was still caused by a Reaper, not by a Leviathan - yeah.

Some time in the distant past a Leviathan killed a Reaper, and that disabled Reaper was then found by salarian scientists, captured by the batarians, and managed to indoctrinate (even though it was 'dead', like the one Cerberus found in ME2) most of the Hegemony's government. The Leviathan of Dis was actually a Reaper, which is a bit confusing.

(Come to think of it, how did a Leviathan kill that Reaper anyway, when most of them were killed to create the *first* Reaper, Harbinger? I thought they were all in hiding after the initial cycle?)

[BiO]

ElitePinecone wrote...

BiO_MaN wrote...

Henioo wrote...

I don't see it, maybe it's burried somewhere in these 57 pages, but can someone tell me if they talked to Balak after beating Leviathan?

Does the dialogue with him change when he mentions the Reaper that indocrinated the batarians?

Oh, BTW, seems like the Leviathan are responsible for the fall of the batarians, eh?

Not directly. The Leviathan of Dis was already dead.

The downfall of the batarian Hegemony was still caused by a Reaper, not by a Leviathan - yeah.

Some time in the distant past a Leviathan killed a Reaper, and that disabled Reaper was then found by salarian scientists, captured by the batarians, and managed to indoctrinate (even though it was 'dead', like the one Cerberus found in ME2) most of the Hegemony's government. The Leviathan of Dis was actually a Reaper, which is a bit confusing.

(Come to think of it, how did a Leviathan kill that Reaper anyway, when most of them were killed to create the *first* Reaper, Harbinger? I thought they were all in hiding after the initial cycle?)

Most planets in the Dis system are icy, so it's possible leviathan(s) are hiding somewhere under the surface. A Reaper got too close and they acted.

Also, am I the only one who thinks moving these Leviathan orbs to key locations is a very risky and foolish move? I don't consider the Leviathans to be any better than Reapers. In fact, they could be more dangerous, given their more advanced indoctrination capability.

[Calamity]

I didn't notice this until playing with Levi installed but after I completed the DLC there were announcements on the citadel saying something like, if you hear voices or are experience headaches please see a csec officer for assistance (not word for word but cant remember the quote). I didn't notice this in my non-levi play-through, did anyone else?

[V-rcingetorix]

Might have helped if there had been a reinforcement wheel, like in DA:O; being swarmed by cannibals? Call the Krogan. Getting rushed by Banshees? Call the Asari. Getting stung by husks/Cannibals? Call the Geth/Salarians/humans...you get the idea.

[ElitePinecone]

BiO_MaN wrote...

Also, am I the only one who thinks moving these Leviathan orbs to key locations is a very risky and foolish move? I don't consider the Leviathans to be any better than Reapers. In fact, they could be more dangerous, given their more advanced indoctrination capability.

Lots of speculation for everyone™, I guess. 

I'm slightly bemused that ME3 was meant to definitively end the Reaper story arc, and the Extended Cut was meant to provide "clarity and closure" to the universe and its civilisations, when the very first bit of proper DLC not only introduces tons of lore that we've never previously heard of but also leaves the future of the galaxy perhaps more ambiguous and uncertain than ever before. I think it's exceedingly unlikely that we'll ever revisit the universe post-ME3, or have anything to do with the Leviathans again, and so the constant reminders that the aliens are expansionist megalomaniacs will just make me even more jaded about the direction they took the Reaper/Leviathan/cycles storyline.  

None of this is very satisfying, plot-wise. As much as I'm still disappointed with practically everything in the narrative from Priority: Earth onwards, there's something even worse and diminishing about tying the Mass Effect trilogy's plot to a billion-year old mistake on the part of a race of self-important cuttlefish we've previously never heard of with delusions of grandeur. The strength of the series was always the character stories, but Leviathan seems to want to re-explain the Reapers for the third time, with possibly even more ridiculous logic.  

(I'm quietly optimistic about Omega if it really is a thing, but will we be constantly beaten over the head about how important it is for the war effort, a war we've already won? Is there any point, now that we know the entirely-too-convoluted origins of the Reapers and their harvests?)

[B.Shep]

BiO_MaN wrote...
Most planets in the Dis system are icy, so it's possible leviathan(s) are hiding somewhere under the surface. A Reaper got too close and they acted.

Also, am I the only one who thinks moving these Leviathan orbs to key locations is a very risky and foolish move? I don't consider the Leviathans to be any better than Reapers. In fact, they could be more dangerous, given their more advanced indoctrination capability.

They just need to use shield protection, similar to the one in Bryson's lab, to avoid the orbs from controlling organic forces instead of reapers' troops. Then disable the shields remotely after they are very far from the orb.
It's risky indeed,  carrying something that dangerous behing enemy lines.

[BiO]

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[B.Shep]

So pretty much the marjority of the people who played Leviathan enjoy it.
Haters deal with it.

Modifié par B.Shep, 05 septembre 2012 - 07:08 .

[Don_Esteban]

B.Shep wrote...

So pretty much the marjority of the people who played Leviathan enjoy it.
Haters deal with it.

If you read through the most of the threads and news about Leviathan, yeah majority  of the people liked the DLC overall, though some are not satisfied about the end or the way it affects the ME 3 end. Well, but we all know, that those people will never stop complaining, until BW changes the whole end. And that will probably never happen.

[Fixer5000]

If anything the Leviathan's description of the Catalyst seemed like a subtle apology for its stupid motivation.

We created an intelligence to preserve life. It failed massively, continues to fail, and frankly it's turned the galaxy into one big experiment. Almost as if there were some actual problem it were trying to solve that wasn't 'machines killing their creators'.

If there were some sort of horrible dark energy catastrophe the reapers were trying to avert... that might make sense.


but no, we suck at making AI.

Our bad - The Leviathans.

[seitani]

Leviathan DLC was great but i wish it had been part of the original game with EC.

[nomoredruggs]

Fixer5000 wrote...

(...)
Our bad - The Leviathans.

:lol:

hehe that cracked me up!