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ME3 Leviathan: SPOILER Discussion [poll included]


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#1601
Arcadian_Sentinel

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 ust beat levaithan i liked it, Morbid when sheaperd said: "and your machine backfired on you"
Levaithan said: "No it still serves its purpose"
Me Gusta.
I was fairly Dissapointed one, because of only two PRE order weapons were in the new DLC and two, because it did not top Shadow broker.
I doubt Bioware will EVER top shadowbroker.

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eternalnightmare13

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B.Shep wrote...

filetemo wrote...

they could have asked through an indoctrinated minion.

There was none in that water plane, all died a long time ago. We see their bodies on that wrecked ship.


True, but there are a ton of indoctrinated minions in the mining colony that shepard goes to prior to even finding the home world of Levithan.  It could've potentially used the minions to question/converse with Shepard then and there.  Instead it merely babbled the same tired warning to keep away.  Perhaps it really did want a face to face meeting or perhaps its control over it's minions is limited given the distance between them. 

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Alanosborn1991 wrote...

That husk head is stupid, why would Shepard ever take something like that back when he/she is having PTSD dreams about that stupid kid! I'm never taking that thing back to my cabin!


That's why they give you the choice of taking it or not.  It's stupid to complain about something you don't have to do in the first place.

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B.Shep

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eternalnightmare13 wrote...

B.Shep wrote...

filetemo wrote...

they could have asked through an indoctrinated minion.

There was none in that water plane, all died a long time ago. We see their bodies on that wrecked ship.


True, but there are a ton of indoctrinated minions in the mining colony that shepard goes to prior to even finding the home world of Levithan.  It could've potentially used the minions to question/converse with Shepard then and there.  Instead it merely babbled the same tired warning to keep away.  Perhaps it really did want a face to face meeting or perhaps its control over it's minions is limited given the distance between them. 

I would go with the option about a limited control because of the distance. At close range they were capable of controlling a brute in seconds but in the mining facility they weren't able to do the same with the husks and that guy had to blown up the control orb to avoid it being captured by the reapers. The same thing happened on the planet Namakli: marauders were close to the orb and Leviathan tried to use Ann Bryson to stop them.

Also the leviathans spent all these cycles watching everything from afar so i guess they probably were satisfied in study Shepard and his fight without a direct interaction.

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seriously the leviathan origin for the reapers is a load of crap, even if i could live with it i don't get the leviathans, as they the self proclaimed "pinicale"(no such thing cough cough) of evolution, who dominated the galaxy, get owned by a space station with AI (are the levi's not even smart enough to inbuild rules similar to the 3 laws of robotic's?) which creates the fist reaper then disappears for 50k years, just decide to sit around with their thumbs up there a**'s, and not bother to anything about the now dormant space station AI?

except you know let the rapers build up their forces and spread like a plague?the leviathan's to me makes both the ending and the entire point of the ME series moot......

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So according to Leviathan, the cycles are just a sick esoteric experiment created by the Catalyst. What is the goal of the experiment?

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futurepixels wrote...

So according to Leviathan, the cycles are just a sick esoteric experiment created by the Catalyst. What is the goal of the experiment?

synthesis

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Query: Due to the bad press of the endings, I never picked door one, two or three; just stopped after talking to the Stardouche and called it good. I plan to do Leviathan shortly. Is there any advantage to actually finishing the game before I do?

TIA.

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Arcadian_Sentinel wrote...

 ust beat levaithan i liked it, Morbid when sheaperd said: "and your machine backfired on you"
Levaithan said: "No it still serves its purpose"
Me Gusta.
I was fairly Dissapointed one, because of only two PRE order weapons were in the new DLC and two, because it did not top Shadow broker.
I doubt Bioware will EVER top shadowbroker.


Wait until Omega

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bigmass41 wrote...

Arcadian_Sentinel wrote...

 ust beat levaithan i liked it, Morbid when sheaperd said: "and your machine backfired on you"
Levaithan said: "No it still serves its purpose"
Me Gusta.
I was fairly Dissapointed one, because of only two PRE order weapons were in the new DLC and two, because it did not top Shadow broker.
I doubt Bioware will EVER top shadowbroker.


Wait until Omega


I wouldn't be surpsised to see if omega is just a copy and paste shadow broker

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I am late to the party but the dlc's are enjoyable extensions of the game. LotSB, Kasumi SM, Overlord, and Leviathan are well executed dlc's (with LotSB taking the prize of course). They are focused on a "short story" that plays out smoothly. Maybe the 2GB cap is blessing that keeps creativity focused and bars convoluted diversion.

+conversations with ann bryson, found the voice acting and animations moving
+the underwater sequence up to meeting the Leviathan was a nice touch in a weird way...not sure why....

-eh none really.... just not a fan of escort missions... and for some reason it kept glitching at the ladder when I needed to raise the bridge.

looking forward to omega

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I myself was mildly disappointed in Leviathan, As Bioware seems to not have expended as much effort into it as the ME2 DLC. In Stolen Memory, you get the Locust, and an interesting story with Kasumi. In Shadow Broker, You get involved in a car chase, fight two unique bosses, and reunite with a long lost love, Leviathan for me, did not excite me gamplaywise or storyline-wise. It was all just,"Let's go here and shoot some reapers". The diving part and the power cells were mildly interesting. Would've been cool if there was underwater combat. Anyone remember the underwater level in Starfox 64? Why can';t Bioware make something like that?

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Welder0 wrote...

Query: Due to the bad press of the endings, I never picked door one, two or three; just stopped after talking to the Stardouche and called it good. I plan to do Leviathan shortly. Is there any advantage to actually finishing the game before I do?

TIA.


No I beat the game then did Lev and you go get it and then it doesn't change the war like it should've and was implied it would, Dailouge wise you get a few mentions but shep is still a brick when it comes to letting everyone know that he has lev and what lev should be used for to change the battle in their favor.

Modifié par thehomeworld, 08 octobre 2012 - 09:41 .


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thehomeworld wrote...

Welder0 wrote...

Query: Due to the bad press of the endings, I never picked door one, two or three; just stopped after talking to the Stardouche and called it good. I plan to do Leviathan shortly. Is there any advantage to actually finishing the game before I do?

TIA.


No I beat the game then did Lev and you go get it and then it doesn't change the war like it should've and was implied it would, Dailouge wise you get a few mentions but shep is still a brick when it comes to letting everyone know that he has lev and what lev should be used for to change the battle in their favor.


yeah. Why are they reduced to taking over Reaper ground forces. Our ground forces can already handle those pretty well. After all, that's what the multiplayer timeline is for. I would love to see Leviathan(s) and Harbinger go toe to toe while Shep and TIM go toe to toe.That would be epic.

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Maybe you missed the part about them being a giant aquatic species? How they can go toe to toe with Harbinger?

Also, seriously people stop fooling yourselves thinking BW will add a fifth ending after each DLC release.

Modifié par B.Shep, 09 octobre 2012 - 05:02 .


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Finally played Leviathan last friday. It was ok. I was disappointed, but I think that's mainly because my expectations were a bit too high. I got the impression that Leviathan was going to be on the same level as LotSB, but it definitely wasn't.

It wasn't bad though. Searching the lab for clues was somewhat interesting, but it would have been better if it had been more like "The Observer" (the mission on Illium in ME2, where you tried to figure out who was an agent for the Shadow Broker) where you actually had to think, and not just find the clues.

I really liked the environments. Namakli was fantastic with all those harvesters flying around. The underwater segment was also amazing, though it would have been better if there wouldn't have been a battle going on up on the surface. It would also have been even more amazing if it would have waited a bit longer (until the whole leviathan was visible for example) before changing into a cutscene when the leviathan first showed up.

Other than on Namakli, the battles felt a bit forced. I really liked the focus on exploration and story, and some of the battles ruined the atmosphere and flow.

I think one of the reason Leviathan didn't feel as interesting as it could have is the fact that it now is quite a few months since I played through ME3. I've already taken care of the Reapers and the war is over. If Leviathan had been part of the game originally (maybe after Rannoch, before Shepard finds out about that information about the catalyst can be found on Thessia) it would probably have been a lot better. I'll have to wait until my next playthrough (when ME1 for PS3 is available) to see.

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I liked the Leviathan DLC in terms of fun and playability, but i think it was not a good idea to reveal the purpose and origin of the Reapers. Mystery and uncomprehension was part of their attractive.

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Having played a few times now I will say that it is OK, but I am still left with more questions about the ending because the that Leviathan speaks to Shepard it is the same way the that "Starchild" talk to Shepard so is that "starchild" a Reaper or not. Please someone out there help me understand this!

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eaglefan129 wrote...

bigmass41 wrote...

Arcadian_Sentinel wrote...

 ust beat levaithan i liked it, Morbid when sheaperd said: "and your machine backfired on you"
Levaithan said: "No it still serves its purpose"
Me Gusta.
I was fairly Dissapointed one, because of only two PRE order weapons were in the new DLC and two, because it did not top Shadow broker.
I doubt Bioware will EVER top shadowbroker.


Wait until Omega


I wouldn't be surpsised to see if omega is just a copy and paste shadow broker


I think that is why people are PARTLY disappointment with the leviathan is that there are no big rewards in leviathan like the LOSTB other than learning the origins of the reapers and weapons (and upgrades).

In comparision LOSTB, u can get the shadow broker's ship (and model), an vi assasstint (glyph), read info on your crew, the option to continue your romance with liara, talk to feron, and watch the spy videos on the "interseting" people like Aria on OMega.

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B.Shep wrote...

Also, seriously people stop fooling yourselves thinking BW will add a fifth ending after each DLC release.


This man gets how dlc works! Realistically guys dlc will be how it's handeled until the last one, THEN you get your awesome epic amazing adjective ending.

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i just found if you take the husk head back to the normandy.

if you click on your space hamster the husk head will turn and scream at it.

they can program this in but not make a decent tali photo? 

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phoenixluigi wrote...

i just found if you take the husk head back to the normandy.

if you click on your space hamster the husk head will turn and scream at it.

they can program this in but not make a decent tali photo? 


Yup.

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futurepixels wrote...

So according to Leviathan, the cycles are just a sick esoteric experiment created by the Catalyst. What is the goal of the experiment?


the reapers want synthesis; it solves all problems and all owes.  they dont see individualism and consciousness as reasons for harvest to be a bad thing, so they prevent war (organics resist, so we have another war) and combine organic/synth at the same time.  

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I just had this stupid thought.

What if the Leviathan race decides to start an attack against the galaxy when the Reapers are defeated?

They said that there were only a very few of them left spread across the galaxy. At their time they were the most powerful race. They might want to regain their position by force now that Shepard has solved their ''problem''.

But why would they sacrifice themselves by joining Shepard against the Reapers...Hm....

Nevermind.

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Finally had time to play it in one sitting. I liked it.

Question. How many of the people complaining that it didn't significantly change the ending would still complain even if it had done so? "Oh so we have to buy the REAL ending? What a ripoff bioware.".

I'm guessing most of them.