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[TheWill]

putting yourself in the place of a leviathan.. stuck in the ocean.. its wet ..cold and dark... you then take over the mind of a creature on land.. your first thrall... suddenly you you have access to their memories.. their lives.. you can walk.. run.. you have arms and hands.. taste and smell... the emotions and senses of its species... yet they have one problem... with use and time they mentaly degrade.. becoming gibbering idiots... what would you then want most from a thrall race?

the abilty to allow indoctrination and long term possession without mental degredation...
i just see the whole galaxy and cycles as a huge evolutionary experiment idea as an attempt to create the perfect thrall species... the reapers have created theirs through modification.. while the leviathans have been using those created through evolution... two very different sides to a problem... maybe each with their own solution to the cycles... the experiment continues...

[XxDarkTimexX]

Ranger1337 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

No, Shepard was awake, she was only knocked out after "the battle for object rho"

From what we know in ME lore, Reaper artifacts such as that ALWAYS indoctrinate people who come into contact with it.

See; Mass Effect Evolution.

Ah I see what you mean . Thing is , indoctrination is subtle . It takes a very long time before indoctrination manifests completely . Shepard and his squad did not spend enough time around Reaper tech to become indoctrinated . For example , let's say you spend three days around a Reaper artifact . Sure you will feel the effects and you start to have subtle changes in your behaviour . But if you leave the artifact , the indoctrination wears off and is not permanent . At least that's what I've been able to gather from the games . Haven't read Mass Effect Evolution yet so maybe you're right .

no Indoctrination doesn't wear off but it slowly covers your mind until you can't think anymore

[VirtualSoldier27]

Headcount wrote...

pmac_tk421 wrote...

Ok, this is what he said.
1. The catalyst was created by the leviathans to solve the problem with synthetics and they made him an army of synthetic servants.
2. The catalyst used his servants to round up the leviathans and make the first reaper.

Meanwhile on Earth: "Hey, I have an idea that might end the threat of nuclear war!  Lets make more nuclear weapons!"

you know, that actually worked, the reason the US used the bomb on Japan becuase there was no one that could retaliate, the reason they didnt use it on Russia later on in the cold war was becuase the Soviet Union also had nuclear weapons,and could retaliate in kind,and vise versa

its called mutually assured destruction, nations are less likely to engage in direct armed conflict becuase of the threat of a nuclear holocost, so actually,more nuclear weapons actually prevent war,there is a reason there hasnt been a conflict even 4th of the scale of WW2 since the nuclear arms race

[R3MUS]

Guys, do you think the things i have marked in paint is the Leviathans mouths? Do you think they need to eat? Or are they above that?

And it must be hard walking around with only those three legs and that weight atop of them. Or maybe they fly like the Reapers...

[Sinophile]

All forms of life need sustenance to survive. Geth need electricity, humans need food, Volus need money, Vorcha need lulz... Who knows what a super advanced life form such as Leviathan utilizes as food.

[azerSheppard]

VirtualSoldier27 wrote...
you know, that actually worked, the reason the US used the bomb on Japan becuase there was no one that could retaliate, the reason they didnt use it on Russia later on in the cold war was becuase the Soviet Union also had nuclear weapons,and could retaliate in kind,and vise versa

its called mutually assured destruction, nations are less likely to engage in direct armed conflict becuase of the threat of a nuclear holocost, so actually,more nuclear weapons actually prevent war,there is a reason there hasnt been a conflict even 4th of the scale of WW2 since the nuclear arms race

You are kidding me right? No one to fight Japan? The reason US resorted to the atomic bomb was NOT because they lacked soldiers, but because it was the easy way out. With it they performed ONE of the WORST war crimes in history, by killing civilians and soldiers alike.

Afterwards the world agreed that atomic bombs should never be used, and started to MASS PRODUCE them. GENIUS. Nuclear detterants is like walking side by side with someone else, but with guns pointed at each others heads. It just takes one retard to end the world.

Nuclear weapons are a big topic at the moment mind you, with the US and israel trying to stop a sovereign country to build their own, meanwhile tens of thousand bombs are under US control, I feel safer already.

[VirtualSoldier27]

azerSheppard wrote...

VirtualSoldier27 wrote...
you know, that actually worked, the reason the US used the bomb on Japan becuase there was no one that could retaliate, the reason they didnt use it on Russia later on in the cold war was becuase the Soviet Union also had nuclear weapons,and could retaliate in kind,and vise versa

its called mutually assured destruction, nations are less likely to engage in direct armed conflict becuase of the threat of a nuclear holocost, so actually,more nuclear weapons actually prevent war,there is a reason there hasnt been a conflict even 4th of the scale of WW2 since the nuclear arms race

You are kidding me right? No one to fight Japan? The reason US resorted to the atomic bomb was NOT because they lacked soldiers, but because it was the easy way out. With it they performed ONE of the WORST war crimes in history, by killing civilians and soldiers alike.

Afterwards the world agreed that atomic bombs should never be used, and started to MASS PRODUCE them. GENIUS. Nuclear detterants is like walking side by side with someone else, but with guns pointed at each others heads. It just takes one retard to end the world.

Nuclear weapons are a big topic at the moment mind you, with the US and israel trying to stop a sovereign country to build their own, meanwhile tens of thousand bombs are under US control, I feel safer already.

of course the US had the Soldiers,although most of them were still being deployed from Europe,the problem is that the casualty figures for a mainland invasion of Japan would be in the Millions,US Soldiers,Japanese Soldiers and Japanese Women and Children, far less died from the nuclear blast than would have died from the carnage of a mainland invasion,what I meant was that,the option was on the table because the US was the only country that had Nuclear weapons,they didnt have to worry about Japan or anyone else retaliating

and I cannnot believe you are defending Iran, youre right,one day retards are going to start a nuclear holocost,and those retarts are going to be extremist muslims!!!!!

[Starscream2012]

Meanwhile at the Mass Effect forums...

[Grubas]

so whats the issue with the poping huskhead?

[honeyiscool]

I loved Leviathan. If the story had included Leviathan and the extended cut from the beginning, I think the outrage would have been minimal.

[JBPBRC]

Sinophile wrote...

All forms of life need sustenance to survive. Geth need electricity, humans need food, Volus need money, Vorcha need lulz... Who knows what a super advanced life form such as Leviathan utilizes as food.

Plankton.

[xxLDZxx]

JBPBRC wrote...

Sinophile wrote...

All forms of life need sustenance to survive. Geth need electricity, humans need food, Volus need money, Vorcha need lulz... Who knows what a super advanced life form such as Leviathan utilizes as food.

Plankton.

Ezzo. Levi´s are like this aquarium
cleaning fishes. they swim underwater and eat ezzo, nom nom nom in
the deep´s of the ocean nobody hears you munching.

[R3MUS]

Do you guys think the Catalyst made the Reapers so they are NOT aware of him? I think so. And do you think the Catalyst was like a hard drive and sometime later when the Catalyst ordered the Reapers to build the mass relays he made them build the Citadel too and placed the hard drive there.

[Cashmoney007]

honeyiscool wrote...

I loved Leviathan. If the story had included Leviathan and the extended cut from the beginning, I think the outrage would have been minimal.

It was a good dlc.  I just didn't want Bioware to ever tell us what created the reapers.  I would have rather had Leviathan mess with Shepard's head even more than it did.  

I think the outrage would have been a lot less as well if those two things came out in the beginning.

[Alanosborn1991]

Leviathan was a terrible Dlc; ugly character faces, forced siding with Leviathans, no new enemies, Shepard getting indoctrinated AGAIN.

If I wanted shellfish trying to kill me I'd go to an exotic seafood restraint.

I will wait for reviews of Omega first this time after Nov 27 and by then I doubt I will still care because of Halo 4

[thehomeworld]

You kind of had to be forced to join Lev on its terms your alternative was to be it's pet in a worse way then the Rachni Queen and the former Asari merc woman. In someways your relationship with lev is like that but w/o the free will at least the Asari can say she no longer wants to be the Queen's agent but shep has no such recourse with Lev ever.

Shep has more of an on call type of indoctrination it doesn't seem permanent like Benezia, Saren, the Thorian colonist it seems Lev takes control when Lev wants to its not there all the time.

As far as Omega goes I'm not interested in it if its set during the reaper invasion if its post reaper war then I'd be more inclined to play it as it can become its own thing. If it is set during the reaper invasion I already hate it because it like Lev will do nothing to change the war's out come, battle deaths, and dialogue (yes it needs to change all three not just one out of three) it will only ad points to the ready meter which is mute and useless.

Modifié par thehomeworld, 22 octobre 2012 - 11:56 .

[Apocaleepse360]

My only issue is that Leviathan does not affect our chances one bit. Despite the fact that it can destroy Reapers with its mind and special ops teams are placing loads of those artifacts behind enemy lines.

[Baihu1983]

Arcadian_Sentinel wrote...

 ust beat levaithan i liked it, Morbid when sheaperd said: "and your machine backfired on you"
Levaithan said: "No it still serves its purpose"
Me Gusta.
I was fairly Dissapointed one, because of only two PRE order weapons were in the new DLC and two, because it did not top Shadow broker.
I doubt Bioware will EVER top shadowbroker.

Overlord was better IMO. More to do and it actually had a choice at the end.

DLC was ok but for all you do the 5 minutes with Leviathan felt weak only for him to say ''we are the apex'' over and over but will only fight the Reapers when they come to this planet.

[diggisaur]

I think the Leviathan DLC continues to show how inspired the writers were from watching Farscape TV episodes.

Hmm... lets see, in Farscape the ship they are on is called a Leviathan and it is a "living ship". Arguably the ship could look like a Reaper and its Pilot a Collector. Oh and on this ship they also have a blue female alien has some advanced brain powers.

But like anything scifi. Its all borrowed and reimagined right.

Modifié par diggisaur, 29 octobre 2012 - 04:34 .

[thetawaves90]

I really loved the DLC; I felt it fleshed out the story and added some fun gameplay elements at the same time. The only letdown was having its' impact on the main story limited to a number of War Assets and a codex entry.

[Grubas]

diggisaur wrote...

I think the Leviathan DLC continues to show how inspired the writers were from watching Farscape TV episodes.

Hmm... lets see, in Farscape the ship they are on is called a Leviathan and it is a "living ship". Arguably the ship could look like a Reaper and its Pilot a Collector. Oh and on this ship they also have a blue female alien has some advanced brain powers.

But like anything scifi. Its all borrowed and reimagined right.

Farscape is a series. Mass Effect is a game. Turn Farscape into a game and see how it competes.

[inko1nsiderate]

Grubas wrote...

diggisaur wrote...

I think the Leviathan DLC continues to show how inspired the writers were from watching Farscape TV episodes.

Hmm... lets see, in Farscape the ship they are on is called a Leviathan and it is a "living ship". Arguably the ship could look like a Reaper and its Pilot a Collector. Oh and on this ship they also have a blue female alien has some advanced brain powers.

But like anything scifi. Its all borrowed and reimagined right.

Farscape is a series. Mass Effect is a game. Turn Farscape into a game and see how it competes.

As long as the "renegade dialogue options" are snarky references to Earth pop culture I think I could learn to love it.

Edit:  And just like that I realized how much James Vega is like John Crichton in a few ways.

Modifié par inko1nsiderate, 30 octobre 2012 - 06:39 .

[Shortstuff820]

I just finished playing Leviathan. And it was awesome! Best DLC yet. Bryson's lab and the mining asteroid were fun to explore. Shepard exploring the ocean floor was the best part. But did anyone else catch the huge rip-off of The Abyss? There are way too many similarities there. That would be my only complaint. Still, it was really cool.

[Getorex]

Leviathon was self-contradicting, like the endings. Leviathons essentially created the Reapers (OK, the AI that made the Reapers but it is essentially the same thing). The AI turns on the Leviathon race just as it did with all the other races and even largely defeats the Leviathons, forcing them into hiding on planet nowhere. Here's the big problem: Shepard ultimately finds them in their hidey-hole and chats them up. They turn out to be TOTAL dicks, just like the Reapers. They're all about wanting slaves and worshipers from all the other "inferior" races and that is STILL what they want (so Leviathon sets up the next bad guys for the universe of ME to deal with and because they look just like Reapers only Reapier, the bad guy design can almost remain the same!).

Anywho...so just after Shepard chats them up in comes a Reaper to rain hurt on the hiding Leviathons, but not quite. See, the most talkative of the Leviathons (the leader?) simply hums and thinks nasty thoughts at the Reaper and it immediately shuts down, dies, and crashes into the sea. That easy.

So...if it is just that easy for the Leviathons to deal with Reapers that they merely have to think bad thoughts at them, HOW DID THEY GET DEFEATED AND FORCED INTO HIDING IN THE FIRST PLACE?! What's more, they were THE slavemasters of their time. All the other races were their slaves and worshipers. All the Leviathons had to do was forbid the creation of AIs by their chattel races and the (silly and bogus) "AIs will always turn on their creators" nonsense goes away. Even if it didn't, all the Leviathons need to do to crush these amok AIs is think bad thoughts at them.

Nonetheless, I enjoyed playing the DLC for the hell of it. I liked the Terminator movies too but if you give those movies even 2 seconds of thought you find at their core a HUGE plot hole or flaw so it also exists in the endings of ME3 AND in the whole Leviathon story. For the Terminator it is a simple problem of circular logic and time paradox: The very fact that the future AI in the Terminato movies has to go to the trouble of sending a hunter-killer bot back in time to kill/stop the Conners tells you (and the AI) that the attempt FAILS. See, if the terminator sent back in ANY of the movies actually succeeded, then there would never have been a "Conner problem" to deal with so the AI would never have even known about the Conners...but wait, it sent back a terminator to kill the Conners because they ARE a problem in the future but if the mission succeeds then they are not a problem and so no terminator needs to be sent back, etc, etc.

The much-talked about HUGE problems with the ME3 endings (space magic, violations of game lore, self-contradictions, lazy thinking/plot devices) need not be discussed again but the Leviathon thing is a whole new problem. It DOES do what I knew Bioware HAD to do after the defeat of the Reapers: they HAD to come up with a new big bad guy that was at least the equal, if not worse, than the Reapers if they wanted to continue with new ME games. See, it just wouldn't work if they went from having you defeat the biggest existential threat to advanced life in the galaxy in series 1 to having you deal with piddly, pathetic pirates, criminals, and the sporadic rebellion in future games. Talk about a HUGE let down! No, just like their Dragon Age games (or any other game for that matter) they needed a big, bad guy. The Leviathons fit the bill just fine. They are total dicks who want slaves and worshipers AND they are more powerful than the Reapers (they just have to think at a Reaper to fry its chips and kill it). They will be the problem in future games.