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[Peranor]

TheGarden2010 wrote...

someguy1231 wrote...

 If sales of the Leviathan DLC are disappointing, I fear that EA will misinterpret the reason for it. Many people here have said they will not buy it, usually because they think it won't change the endings or to send a message of disappoint to Bioware/EA over the endings to begin with. However, EA might look at the low sales numbers and think "That proves it! Single-player is out! Make everything multi-player from now on!" There've been many cases where publishers/developers see a declining video game franchise and try to reinvigorate it in ways that completely miss the reason it was declining. I fear the same may happen to ME if DLC sales drastically decline.

Exactly, just goes to show how selfish, stupid and full of **** most gamers are these days.

This is just utterly stupid... Come on now... this isn't charity.

I'm selfish for not buying Leviathan DLC because I'm not interested in it?
Oh, I'm sorry.... How selfish of me. I'll remember to buy everying Bioware realeases so YOU can have a good time from now on.

[Astralify]

liggy002 wrote...

nhcre8tv1 wrote...

That's just because "gamers are afraid of change".

What change?  Mindless multiplayer that sacrifices a rich and well thought out single player RPG experience.  I love MP just as much as the next guy, but not at the expense of the single player campaign.  If they wanted multiplayer, it should have been a seperate title or an MMO.

This^

[tomcplotts]

The money in this business is in two areas: first, casual gaming, especially web based, and second, multiplayer variations that eliminate the need for devs to develop an actual AI--which is the most complicated part of game making. The latter is a significant cost cut--anyone remember the last time a skirmish mode was done in a major title?--and the former is simply where the eyeballs are.

It's pretty clear now that SP gamers--especially the RPGers--are going to be inhabiting boutique space for several years to come. It's just the way it is. On the other hand, that vacuum gets filled by newer, more creative artists as independents, and over time, they'll hopefully get big enough to budget for good games.

A good example is a game I'm playing right now, Mount and Blade (Warband). A true, sandbox RPG that hasn't been seen in the biz for years. THe thing plays old school, is addictive as crack, and is a repsonse to rpg gamers who miss the old text style gaming world from about a decade ago. It's primitive in some ways, but it does the job. We will ultimately make what we need and what we want, but the days of big budget, glossy production for our kind of game is close to dead.

ME3 was, at least for me, a jarring reminder of how much has changed in just the last half dozen years. Younger gamers have been raised playing with others in compact social networks, and for them, it's like air. They'll dominate the market for years to come.

[Ieldra]

nhcre8tv1 wrote...
That's just because "gamers are afraid of change".

And don't the complaints about the lack of a boss fight tell you how true that is.

I'll buy Leviathan because I find it interesting and I want to see more of the ME universe. Regardless of how you like the ending, if you like the ME universe there's no reason you shouldn't buy it. 

[Icinix]

I think the course is already set with EA's policy of games development.

Sales numbers unless they were astronomically one direction or the other I don't believe would sway them.

[Asharad Hett]

I had already lost interest in SP, and now I've lost interest in MP. I'm finally losing interest in the forums. I have zero interest in Leviathan.

I'm not boycotting. I just don't care anymore.

Modifié par Asharad Hett, 28 août 2012 - 10:47 .

[Jadebaby]

Yea, I can see it backfiring..

We have to keep fighting, for Shepard!

[Applepie_Svk]

Ghost Down wrote...

Yep, just look what EA did to Dead Space 3. They added $%*&ing co-op.

Dead space ? ... it´s nothing - just look like they harvest the Westwood and C&C franchise - it´s pile of ashes right now

[Tronar]

They can't release a non-free Multiplayer DLC, because this way the Multiplayer-Community would be split in half. Because you can't have a lobby consisting of some people having downloaded the Multiplayer and some people having not. That's why they release them as free DLCs.

They get their money though, because so many gamers are eager to get a new character, that they buy SPs or PSPs with Microsoft Points.

That's also the reason why they prioritize MP DLCs over fixing the bugs. New DLC = immediately more revenue. Fixing bugs NOT = immediately more revenue.

[jstme]

I fail to see the point of this, just as i fail to see the point of boycotting it.
Supporting company by buying a bad, uninteresting product just so they could produce more of those bad products is just as silly as refusing to support company producing good products that interest you because they made a bad product previously.
Wait and see what is it all about and whether it is video gamey or full of artistic integrity.

[someguy1231]

jstme wrote...

I fail to see the point of this, just as i fail to see the point of boycotting it.
Supporting company by buying a bad, uninteresting product just so they could produce more of those bad products is just as silly as refusing to support company producing good products that interest you because they made a bad product previously.
Wait and see what is it all about and whether it is video gamey or full of artistic integrity.

The point of this thread is that EA might look at low sales of Leviathan and draw the wrong conclusion from it. Wasn't supposed to encourage anyone to buy it or not buy it.

[Applepie_Svk]

jstme wrote...

I fail to see the point of this, just as i fail to see the point of boycotting it.
Supporting company by buying a bad, uninteresting product just so they could produce more of those bad products is just as silly as refusing to support company producing good products that interest you because they made a bad product previously.
Wait and see what is it all about and whether it is video gamey or full of artistic integrity.

Problem is simple - BioWare lied about ME3 multiple times and lot of fans made a pre-order in faith that everything will be ok - well it wasn´t. If I knew that the ending is so bad than I wouldn´t bother with buying of ME3.

[someguy1231]

Ieldra2 wrote...

nhcre8tv1 wrote...
That's just because "gamers are afraid of change".

And don't the complaints about the lack of a boss fight tell you how true that is.

I'll buy Leviathan because I find it interesting and I want to see more of the ME universe. Regardless of how you like the ending, if you like the ME universe there's no reason you shouldn't buy it. 

Change just for the sake of change or for the sake of "being different" is asinine and stupid. Complaints about the lack of a final boss fight are very valid since the last two games had them and there was no reasont to believe the third wouldn't have one as well.  Don't just dismiss all complaints about certain changes as evidence that gamers are just plain "afraid of change". 

Modifié par someguy1231, 28 août 2012 - 11:04 .

[Catastrophy]

If I was disappointed by a product, I'd have moved on, have forgotten that I played the thing and would not buy anything, no matter who would interpret some sales figures.
I'd be out there looking for the next source of entertainment. Maybe a book, but most likely a game - they tend to provide more hours of entertainment.

[jstme]

someguy1231 wrote...

jstme wrote...

I fail to see the point of this, just as i fail to see the point of boycotting it.
Supporting company by buying a bad, uninteresting product just so they could produce more of those bad products is just as silly as refusing to support company producing good products that interest you because they made a bad product previously.
Wait and see what is it all about and whether it is video gamey or full of artistic integrity.

The point of this thread is that EA might look at low sales of Leviathan and draw the wrong conclusion from it. Wasn't supposed to encourage anyone to buy it or not buy it.

That is the reason i stated that boycotting it blindly is silly. But if sales are low because product (Leviathan in this case) is crappy, EA will actually reach the right conclusion - i cant believe i just wrote it lol. There is zero reason to invest money in continue developing uninteresting products just because they have Bioware and ME logos on them.

[joker_jack]

jstme wrote...

I fail to see the point of this, just as i fail to see the point of boycotting it.
Supporting company by buying a bad, uninteresting product just so they could produce more of those bad products is just as silly as refusing to support company producing good products that interest you because they made a bad product previously.
Wait and see what is it all about and whether it is video gamey or full of artistic integrity.

Of course EA has yet to reach the level of Crapcom just yet. SF x Tekken tanked because of a very shaddy business practices. Blizzard is worse with Diablo III and you not even owning the actual game. The core of the game is stored on a server you have to connect to in order to play the single player content. ME3 you can do the sp campain without the mp (after some tweeking now that the ems has been lowered to 3000). 

I tend to be in the camp of if Bioware would have did the ending from the extended cut in the 1st place, so much of the begining online hate wouldn't have existed. Regardless of my opinion the customer has a choice to either buy the game or not.  

[GreyLycanTrope]

anorling wrote...


Don't worry. I won't buy any of the multiplayer DLC's either

[tCruzin4lyfe]

Ghost Down wrote...

Yep, just look what EA did to Dead Space 3. They added $%*&ing co-op.

No, Visceral added co-op because a lot of fans have been asking for it. Also, it's optional co-op, no one is making you play with someone.

[EnvyTB075]

tCruzin4lyfe wrote...

Ghost Down wrote...

Yep, just look what EA did to Dead Space 3. They added $%*&ing co-op.

No, Visceral added co-op because a lot of fans have been asking for it. Also, it's optional co-op, no one is making you play with someone.

Because apparently its too scary...

edit: Bad words in the vid, but its sums it up pretty well.

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 28 août 2012 - 11:35 .

[Astralify]

Ieldra2 wrote...

nhcre8tv1 wrote...
That's just because "gamers are afraid of change".

And don't the complaints about the lack of a boss fight tell you how true that is.

I'll buy Leviathan because I find it interesting and I want to see more of the ME universe. Regardless of how you like the ending, if you like the ME universe there's no reason you shouldn't buy it. 

Well I love ME universe and I don't like the direction Bioware is taking with it. So this is big reason for me to not buy it. Not to mention that the DLC is whole game late and it's pointless.  

[GreyLycanTrope]

Ieldra2 wrote...

nhcre8tv1 wrote...
That's just because "gamers are afraid of change".

And don't the complaints about the lack of a boss fight tell you how true that is.

I'll buy Leviathan because I find it interesting and I want to see more of the ME universe. Regardless of how you like the ending, if you like the ME universe there's no reason you shouldn't buy it. 

I like the universe, but youtube can satify that interest, gamplay wise it's not worth the time and money knowing I won't get enjoyment out of it since it's just a pointless sidemission in the end. It might be a very well developed side mission and give us an additional line of dialogue at the end, but it changes nothing and adds nothing I can' t already achieve in game.

[StElmo]

Maybe, whining does a much better job of amounting to change because large scale whining amounts to share price.

[Peranor]

Ieldra2 wrote...

nhcre8tv1 wrote...
That's just because "gamers are afraid of change".

And don't the complaints about the lack of a boss fight tell you how true that is.

I'll buy Leviathan because I find it interesting and I want to see more of the ME universe. Regardless of how you like the ending, if you like the ME universe there's no reason you shouldn't buy it. 

That depends. 
I like the ME universe. But in the end the "ME Universe" is just something that's "out there", a rule set if you like.
I may love The Forgottem Realms setting, that doesn't mean I automatically love every story told in the Forgotten Realms universe.

Because, for me, it's about the being story told, the story you are experiencing right now, not the universe and what may or may not happen in a story that may or may not be told.
And, for me, the ending butchered this story. It made the whole thing feel ridiculous and dopey. And the Leviathan DLC is a part of the story that was thrown out the window.


I'd rather see they just put this story to rest, scrap all plans on further DLC set in the ME3 storyline and start over with something new.
Preferably with a completely new story in Mass Effect "4".
And that, I say because I like the universe. I still want to experience the Mass Effect universe, I just don't want anything more to do with this particular story. A story that, to be honest, has reached it's end. Let it rest in peace.

[eddieoctane]

The game is already dead to me. If not wasting money on a DLC for a game I don't play means no more DLC is released, I don't care. But giving BioWare and EA money when they disappointed me sends the wrong message. The only way EA can learn what they did wrong here is by hitting them in the wallet. If it "backfires", then the lesson hasn't fully sunk in. Perhaps it will take another game or two going the same route before Riccitiello gets the message (if he is even still there in a few months).

Eventually, though, the concept of improperly advertising a game and not caring about what the players want will do enough damage to force a change for the better; EA will either turn away from the industry-destroying path it's on or the company that is setting all the wrong precedents will go belly up. But if you purchase every DLC without battign an eye, you only let EA know that they can do anything and yo will still pay them. There is still 2 chances in all of this for Mass Effect to reclaim its place as a turning point in the gaming industry. The opportunity to go down as the new way stories are told without needing consumer supervision is gone, but it can still be the game that showed how to fix things when you've done a great wrong by your fans or it can be the game that marked the beginning of the end for EA. Honestly, I'm fine with either case.

[Mathias]

Ghost Down wrote...

Yep, just look what EA did to Dead Space 3. They added $%*&ing co-op.

They already did that despite how well Dead Space 2 (a total SP game) sold. I think it's safe to say they're gonna do that to Mass Effect regardless.

Mass Effect was doomed the moment EA took control of Bioware. As far as i'm concerned the franchise is already ruined. So if it gets ruined even further or worse, then oh well. Best to put a bullet in it's head sooner than later, instead of prolonging it's suffering.