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[3DandBeyond]

Eterna5 wrote...

I thought Games were meant to be enjoyed with others? Some of you guys are really antisocial huh?

Ok, please tell me how MP is actually enjoying games with other people.  I enjoy playing card games and board games with others, except I grew up with 2 older brothers that cheated at every game we played and then beat me up if I complained about cheating.  If it was Tuesday my brother won Monopoly.

If you play some Kinect games, you can have fun with other players or certain coop games, however...

MP as it is today is mostly a very impersonal, frustrating experience.  Along with hacks and cheating and glitch exploiters there are other things that make you not want to play with random people and I personally don't want everyone that asks me to be added to my friend's list.  Some have asked me just so I can help them glitch things. 

If you don't use a headset, someone will complain, but if you do you get to hear people chewing, babies crying, dogs barking, music you hate, random clicking noises or electronic noises, people coughing up lungs, vomiting, arguing, whining, parties, mothers yelling, cell phone conversations, couples (I assume it's 2 people) making out, and all kinds of fun stuff.  And then, in ME I almost always end up as the only person doing the missions-escorts are all me, retrievals all mine, hacking things that's me, killing targets that's me too, and the 4 part shutting things down or what have you, that's me too.  And then, it's a lot of fun when you use up saved credits and get some equipment and use it, only to have the game kick the mission leader and then refuse to reset the mission so you lose all the good stuff you decided to use.

I also love all the messed up stuff in it.  Enter a game partway through and it won't have updated tasks within the mission.  And I can't tell you how many times it's said we've failed the mission at the end, even when it says there was full extraction.  I'm an older lady and I'm frequently the last alive in Silver missions because no one does the tasks and thinks it's team deathmatch in horde mode or I'm frequently the highest scorer-most often with a score double that of the next highest player and I suck.  MP gets boring very quickly. 


Games that really featured "fun" coop mode and even PvP mode are Demon's Souls and Dark Souls-and you couldn't talk to the other player at all.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 28 août 2012 - 04:35 .

[Astralify]

Eterna5 wrote...

I thought Games were meant to be enjoyed with others? Some of you guys are really antisocial huh?

No. You thought wrong. Especially not BW games.

[Eterna]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

I thought Games were meant to be enjoyed with others? Some of you guys are really antisocial huh?

Ok, please tell me how MP is actually enjoying games with other people.  I enjoy playing card games and board games with others, except I grew up with 2 older brothers that cheated at every game we played and then beat me up if I complained about cheating.  If it was Tuesday my brother won Monopoly.

If you play some Kinect games, you can have fun with other players or certain coop games, however...

MP as it is today is mostly a very impersonal, frustrating experience.  Along with hacks and cheating and glitch exploiters there are other things that make you not want to play with random people and I personally don't want everyone that asks me to be added to my friend's list.  Some have asked me just so I can help them glitch things. 

If you don't use a headset, someone will complain, but if you do you get to hear people chewing, babies crying, dogs barking, music you hate, random clicking noises or electronic noises, people coughing up lungs, vomiting, arguing, whining, parties, mothers yelling, cell phone conversations, couples (I assume it's 2 people) making out, and all kinds of fun stuff.  And then, in ME I almost always end up as the only person doing the missions-escorts are all me, retrievals all mine, hacking things that's me, killing targets that's me too, and the 4 part shutting things down or what have you, that's me too.  And then, it's a lot of fun when you use up saved credits and get some equipment and use it, only to have the game kick the mission leader and then refuse to reset the mission so you lose all the good stuff you decided to use.

I also love all the messed up stuff in it.  Enter a game partway through and it won't have updated tasks within the mission.  And I can't tell you how many times it's said we've failed the mission at the end, even when it says there was full extraction.  I'm an older lady and I'm frequently the last alive in Silver missions because no one does the tasks and thinks it's team deathmatch in horde mode or I'm frequently the highest scorer-most often with a score double that of the next highest player and I suck.  MP gets boring very quickly. 


Games that really featured "fun" coop mode and even PvP mode are Demon's Souls and Dark Souls-and you couldn't talk to the other player at all.

 I was talking more about co op with friends, even then multiplayer on private is fun too.

[Eterna]

Astralify wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

I thought Games were meant to be enjoyed with others? Some of you guys are really antisocial huh?

No. You thought wrong. Especially not BW games.

Well actually, apparently you're the one who thought wrong, because this game has multiplayer.

[ObserverStatus]

Buy the DLC or don't, it doesn't matter. No matter what Shepard does in the DLC, his journey will boil down to picking the color of the explosion that destroys everything he loves.

[Twinzam.V]

Eterna5 wrote...

I thought Games were meant to be enjoyed with others? Some of you guys are really antisocial huh?

Ask my friends. Sometimes we go out to play cards, snooker and board games.
To me nothing beats 4 players in the same room.

Modifié par Twinzam.V, 28 août 2012 - 04:40 .

[Shepardtheshepard]

Astralify wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

I thought Games were meant to be enjoyed with others? Some of you guys are really antisocial huh?

No. You thought wrong. Especially not BW games.

This.
He/she seemed to forget that there were two previous Mass Effect games before ME3 without multiplayer that people enjoyed just fine.

[Eterna]

bobobo878 wrote...

Buy the DLC or don't, it doesn't matter. No matter what Shepard does in the DLC, his journey will boil down to picking the color of the explosion that destroys everything he loves.

except it doesn't. 

[Eterna]

Shepardtheshepard wrote...

Astralify wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

I thought Games were meant to be enjoyed with others? Some of you guys are really antisocial huh?

No. You thought wrong. Especially not BW games.

This.
He/she seemed to forget that there were two previous Mass Effect games before ME3 without multiplayer that people enjoyed just fine.

So why does the addition of multiplayer, which is optional, affect your enjoyment? I really hope it's not because you guys feel as though you are more sophisticated for playing a single player RPG and you feel MP games are for CoD junkies?

[Bioware is bad]

Multiplayer took away valuable space from singleplayer.

[garrusfan1]

I think it is more likely if you stop buying it they will stop making dlc for ME3

[Twinzam.V]

Eterna5 wrote...

So why does the addition of multiplayer, which is optional, affect your enjoyment? I really hope it's not because you guys feel as though you are more sophisticated for playing a single player RPG and you feel MP games are for CoD junkies?

Usually FPS with multyplayer doesnt have a great campaign. It has the same bland story , due to its resources being pulled to multiplayer wich makes little room for innovation. RPG's main resource isnt gameplay or MP but the story, without story its just a glorified FPS or MMO with cool graphics.
So if it lacks a good storytelling it's assumed that the blame is MP.

Modifié par Twinzam.V, 28 août 2012 - 04:53 .

[Shepardtheshepard]

Eterna5 wrote...

Shepardtheshepard wrote...

Astralify wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

I thought Games were meant to be enjoyed with others? Some of you guys are really antisocial huh?

No. You thought wrong. Especially not BW games.

This.
He/she seemed to forget that there were two previous Mass Effect games before ME3 without multiplayer that people enjoyed just fine.

So why does the addition of multiplayer, which is optional, affect your enjoyment? I really hope it's not because you guys feel as though you are more sophisticated for playing a single player RPG and you feel MP games are for CoD junkies?

I never said that. You said "I thought Games were meant to be enjoyed with others?"
You were implying that games as a whole are meant to have multiplayer. That's what I was taking issue with.

[Eterna]

Twinzam.V wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

So why does the addition of multiplayer, which is optional, affect your enjoyment? I really hope it's not because you guys feel as though you are more sophisticated for playing a single player RPG and you feel MP games are for CoD junkies?

Usually FPS with multyplayer doesnt have a great campaign. It has the same bland story , due to its resources being pulled to multiplayer wich makes little room for innovation. RPG's main resource isnt gameplay or MP but the story, without story its just a glorified FPS with cool graphics.

There are seperate teams for multiplayer and single player.

[Twinzam.V]

Eterna5 wrote...

Twinzam.V wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

So why does the addition of multiplayer, which is optional, affect your enjoyment? I really hope it's not because you guys feel as though you are more sophisticated for playing a single player RPG and you feel MP games are for CoD junkies?

Usually FPS with multyplayer doesnt have a great campaign. It has the same bland story , due to its resources being pulled to multiplayer wich makes little room for innovation. RPG's main resource isnt gameplay or MP but the story, without story its just a glorified FPS with cool graphics.

There are seperate teams for multiplayer and single player.

Yes. But presumably all the resources that should go for storytelling, one person might think they went for MP (and EA history with Ultima make that seem the cause).
And if the blame its because of MP and if they say that they tried to reach the CoD audience. Well you can see where it goes the hostility.

Modifié par Twinzam.V, 28 août 2012 - 04:58 .

[Peranor]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

I thought Games were meant to be enjoyed with others? Some of you guys are really antisocial huh?

Ok, please tell me how MP is actually enjoying games with other people.  I enjoy playing card games and board games with others, except I grew up with 2 older brothers that cheated at every game we played and then beat me up if I complained about cheating.  If it was Tuesday my brother won Monopoly.

If you play some Kinect games, you can have fun with other players or certain coop games, however...

MP as it is today is mostly a very impersonal, frustrating experience.  Along with hacks and cheating and glitch exploiters there are other things that make you not want to play with random people and I personally don't want everyone that asks me to be added to my friend's list.  Some have asked me just so I can help them glitch things. 

If you don't use a headset, someone will complain, but if you do you get to hear people chewing, babies crying, dogs barking, music you hate, random clicking noises or electronic noises, people coughing up lungs, vomiting, arguing, whining, parties, mothers yelling, cell phone conversations, couples (I assume it's 2 people) making out, and all kinds of fun stuff.  And then, in ME I almost always end up as the only person doing the missions-escorts are all me, retrievals all mine, hacking things that's me, killing targets that's me too, and the 4 part shutting things down or what have you, that's me too.  And then, it's a lot of fun when you use up saved credits and get some equipment and use it, only to have the game kick the mission leader and then refuse to reset the mission so you lose all the good stuff you decided to use.

I also love all the messed up stuff in it.  Enter a game partway through and it won't have updated tasks within the mission.  And I can't tell you how many times it's said we've failed the mission at the end, even when it says there was full extraction.  I'm an older lady and I'm frequently the last alive in Silver missions because no one does the tasks and thinks it's team deathmatch in horde mode or I'm frequently the highest scorer-most often with a score double that of the next highest player and I suck.  MP gets boring very quickly. 


Games that really featured "fun" coop mode and even PvP mode are Demon's Souls and Dark Souls-and you couldn't talk to the other player at all.

Yeah. Plowing through hordes of enemies in a repetitive co-op game with casino rewards while listening to 14 year old kids telling you what you mother likes to do late at night with them is really the pinnacle of fun and social gaming....


Is it to much to ask for to be able to just sit back and enjoy a good single player game now and then? Just to be able to play how you want to and when you want to, at your own pace. Not everything needs to be multiplayer.

Not that I dislike multiplayer. But sometimes, just I want a single player game that I can enjoy for myself, alone without interference. And Bioware has provided me with those kind of games.

If i'm looking for a some multiplayer there are other, far better suited games out there that I can start up and have a fun time with.

Mass Effect really didn't need multiplayer.

Modifié par anorling, 28 août 2012 - 05:13 .

[AlexMBrennan]

If sales of the Leviathan DLC are disappointing, I fear that EA will misinterpret the reason for it. Many people here have said they will not buy it, usually because they think it won't change the endings or to send a message of disappoint to Bioware/EA over the endings to begin with. However, EA might look at the low sales numbers and think "That proves it! Single-player is out! Make everything multi-player from now on!" There've been many cases where publishers/developers see a declining video game franchise and try to reinvigorate it in ways that completely miss the reason it was declining. I fear the same may happen to ME if DLC sales drastically decline.

And your solution is to keep paying Bioware for mediocre content you don't want? Gee, you wouldn't happen to be working for Bioware now would you?

Capitalism works. If that happens, then the next MP-only title will bomb, and they'll rethink their strategy. Maybe, anyway, since they're already determined to make all games MP centric, demand be damned.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 28 août 2012 - 05:23 .

[Peranor]

staindgrey wrote...

anorling wrote...


Don't worry. I won't buy any of the multiplayer DLC's either

Yeah. I haven't bought any either.

Convenient that they're all free.

I said "won't", not "haven't".

Anyway I haven't even downloaded the free ones they have released so far.

[SauliusL]

Guys - Leviathan is worth buying. It's one of the best parts in ME3. Bioware is at it's best here. Even if you still hate the endings it's worth to get these 2 hours of great story telling and gameplay!

[Kamfrenchie]

Eterna5 wrote...

I thought Games were meant to be enjoyed with others? Some of you guys are really antisocial huh?

Well you though wrong.

Many gamesare meant to be enjoyable on your own, like eus ex. An many online game are unenjoyable because there are always annoying peoples online who brag, insult and whatnot.


Now if you wish to emply anyone enjoyiing a hobby on his own is antisocial, go ahead sir

[Hexley UK]

SauliusL wrote...

Guys - Leviathan is worth buying. It's one of the best parts in ME3. Bioware is at it's best here. Even if you still hate the endings it's worth to get these 2 hours of great story telling and gameplay!

Only to have it culminate in 10 minutes of godawful horrifically bad story telling with zero gameplay......

No thanks.

I'd literally rather smash my own skull in with a cricket bat than pay these "Artists" another penny.

It saddens me to say as I was one of Biowares biggest fans before ME3 but its now sadly the case.

[Conniving_Eagle]

The multiplayer is fun alright.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/343/index/13859559

[Bakgrind]

someguy1231 wrote...

 If sales of the Leviathan DLC are disappointing, I fear that EA will misinterpret the reason for it. Many people here have said they will not buy it, usually because they think it won't change the endings or to send a message of disappoint to Bioware/EA over the endings to begin with. However, EA might look at the low sales numbers and think "That proves it! Single-player is out! Make everything multi-player from now on!" There've been many cases where publishers/developers see a declining video game franchise and try to reinvigorate it in ways that completely miss the reason it was declining. I fear the same may happen to ME if DLC sales drastically decline.

Sound reasoning, but in the long run it wont matter if people buy their SP DLC or not. EA will do what they want to do by continueing on their present business course/model. If they do choose to not make any more SP DLC that may not necessarily be a bad thing in my opinion since it would allow them more time to focus,create and build on their next project since Clearly  they need more time put into their creative process. In my opionion of course.

Modifié par Bakgrind, 28 août 2012 - 06:03 .

[Kamfrenchie]

SauliusL wrote...

Guys - Leviathan is worth buying. It's one of the best parts in ME3. Bioware is at it's best here. Even if you still hate the endings it's worth to get these 2 hours of great story telling and gameplay!

10 $ for 2 hours ?

You can get a much longer game in GoG.com for that money.

Heck, Alpha protocol is 20$ and will last muh longer, not to mention the excellent and coherent story, choics that matter etc.

[Blitzhawk65]

TheGarden2010 wrote...

someguy1231 wrote...

 If sales of the Leviathan DLC are disappointing, I fear that EA will misinterpret the reason for it. Many people here have said they will not buy it, usually because they think it won't change the endings or to send a message of disappoint to Bioware/EA over the endings to begin with. However, EA might look at the low sales numbers and think "That proves it! Single-player is out! Make everything multi-player from now on!" There've been many cases where publishers/developers see a declining video game franchise and try to reinvigorate it in ways that completely miss the reason it was declining. I fear the same may happen to ME if DLC sales drastically decline.

Exactly, just goes to show how selfish, stupid and full of **** most gamers are these days.

Yes, since Bioware/EA is entitled to my money and I am compelled to buy everything that they put out.  Since failure to give them my money makes me selfish.  Riiiight...

As to the OP, although we may like to believe that the folks at EA aren't too smart, they deserve more credit than that.  Everyone knows that many fans were upset with the SP story/plot of ME3, especially the ending.  Bioware did not make the EC just for the lulz, they knew that they screwed up, and if something wasn't done about it then future DLC and game sales would suffer.

Regarding my own opinion.  I do not believe that "1-3 hours" of content is worth $10, especially since much of that game time is spent looking around in every corner for goodies, and it is realistically about 30-45 minutes of engaging gameplay.  If you extrapolate that out to the price of a full game, you would essentially be paying $60 for a game with 3-5 hours of gameplay.  IMO it's a ripoff, especially since that $10 could go to buying an older game on steam, a book, contribute towards buying a newer game, etc.  I honestly do not care if Bioware stops making ME3 DLC.  I'm not actively campaigning against it to "ruin it for everyone else," I simply do not care one way or the other because it is not a product that I believe is worth buying.  If Bioware makes another product such as DA:Awakening with a lot of content, or makes a DLC that is so exceptional that I cannot resist, then things would be different.