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#126
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Tankcommander wrote...

EA ruins everything regardless. I thought DICE would always put out awesome games, but BF3 completely ruined the Battlefield series for me.

ME3 was great until the ending. The rewrite of the story after the leak was the start of BW's downfall. The original endings were great, dunno why they changed them.


because ppl **** about everything. people hated the original endings, but now that the current one is out ppl like the original.  not saying you , but ppl did hate it, or welll haters gonna hate right

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Oh, so I should give them money for a product that I have no interest in otherwise EA might screw up even more.
Nay, according to you, I must buy Leviathan, otherwise EA might do something even worse than they have already done.

Newsflash, giving EA more money only means you're giving them a green light to keep releasing rushed, sub-par products since no matter what crap they release, you'll keep eating whatever they feed you.

Sorry mate, but no. Just... no. As a consumer I have a right to chose what products I wish to buy, and as a consumer, I'm done with EA products until a time where I find them of satisfactory quality.

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well they did it to themselves. botch a well loved series, no incentive to buy the DLC.

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Free DLC for MP that I rarely even play? No thanks.

Paid DLC for SP that I haven't touched in 2 months because the ending continues to make the entire series stagnate for me? No thanks

Paid DLC that offers some REAL value to the story past some common-sense conclusions that were already alluded to in the EC? Maybe.

I still have all my copies of ME and will think back fondly on the journey when I see them on the shelf. I doubt they'll ever leave said shelf again though, which causes me a pang of sadness for a saga that could have ended much better. The emotional impact was just to jarring to contend with again.

The whole experience reminds me acutely of an Anime I watched many years ago called "Grave of the Fireflies". Now mind you i'm not making parallels to anything but the emotional impact of the journey versus ending. GotF was also an excellent journey but had an extremely sad conclusion. To this day the experience prevents me from watching it again just so I don't have to re-experience the sharp dichotomy of the highs and low emotionally...Though I'll recommend it be watched to others.

Same with ME series, I'll recommend it but warn against the ending.

Modifié par Nterl0k, 29 août 2012 - 02:52 .


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PPF65 wrote...

I'll gladly buy Leviathan if they change the ending. Hell, if they make the ending change to an ending that is actually good, ONLY if you finish Leviathan perfectly, have 100% galactic readiness, and get a kick ass score on your galactic fleet number, I'll still buy it.

But I don't think they'll make the ending good. I can't get the ending I want. I'm fine with there sad, bittersweet endings, sure. Some people prefer those. Hell, I like to play through multiple times just to see them at least once. But not every ending should be like that. That isn't choice. That's just one very successful troll giving you the middle finger.


Excellent point. I would gladly buy the Leviathan DLC...if it had made only one good ending possible.

I bought nearly all the DLC for ME2; LOTSB, Kasumi, all the weapons; the only DLC I didn't buy was the Overlord package and the costumes package.

For ME3, I just don't feel that urge to buy DLC. The universe should be expanded for what, suicide, suicide and suicide? The rest of the game is fantastic, which is why I wrestle with the DLC purchase potential. But in the end, it's the entirety of a story that compels me to get more chapters.

Besides, being called ignorant (part of a podcast from the partner of Chris Priestly), or told that "artistic integrity" is more important than fulfilling a promise just doesn't give me incentive to spend $$.

Sorry BioWare, I really am. Make a Reunion (hopefully with Geth on Destroy...), and I'll spend over $100 on DLC, probably. Until then, let's stay "just friends."

EDIT: spelling

Modifié par V-rcingetorix, 29 août 2012 - 02:57 .


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Eterna5 wrote...

Shepardtheshepard wrote...

Astralify wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

I thought Games were meant to be enjoyed with others? Some of you guys are really antisocial huh?


No. You thought wrong. Especially not BW games.


This.
He/she seemed to forget that there were two previous Mass Effect games before ME3 without multiplayer that people enjoyed just fine.


So why does the addition of multiplayer, which is optional, affect your enjoyment? I really hope it's not because you guys feel as though you are more sophisticated for playing a single player RPG and you feel MP games are for CoD junkies?



Read THIS very carefully!

Modifié par Astralify, 29 août 2012 - 08:53 .


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it's going to be DA2 all ovewr again the sales went down and Bioware stopped making dlc's for it, those who wont buy the new dlc are so annoyed at the ending there letting the ones that enjoy the game to suffer.

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Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

it's going to be DA2 all ovewr again the sales went down and Bioware stopped making dlc's for it, those who wont buy the new dlc are so annoyed at the ending there letting the ones that enjoy the game to suffer.


They already made their profit with selling you pile of lies - if you like it have it your way :)

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 29 août 2012 - 09:56 .


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I highly doubt there will be any kind of backfire from such a tiny boycott.

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Whatever happens happens.

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Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

it's going to be DA2 all ovewr again the sales went down and Bioware stopped making dlc's for it, those who wont buy the new dlc are so annoyed at the ending there letting the ones that enjoy the game to suffer.

Brilliant logic. So people shouldn't support games they like by buying DLC, rather they should buy DLC for games they don't like so that the one's that do like it don't have to suffer.

Here's a simple fact for you: If there's not enough people that like it to support it, then it was a bad thing to begin with.

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Applepie_Svk wrote...

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

it's going to be DA2 all ovewr again the sales went down and Bioware stopped making dlc's for it, those who wont buy the new dlc are so annoyed at the ending there letting the ones that enjoy the game to suffer.


They already make their profit with selling you pile of lies - if you like it have it your way :)

im not saying i like it but the people that do like me3 to bits are the ones that suffer if bioware stop making dlc's because of bad sales

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Demon Velsper wrote...

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

it's going to be DA2 all ovewr again the sales went down and Bioware stopped making dlc's for it, those who wont buy the new dlc are so annoyed at the ending there letting the ones that enjoy the game to suffer.

Brilliant logic. So people shouldn't support games they like by buying DLC, rather they should buy DLC for games they don't like so that the one's that do like it don't have to suffer.

Here's a simple fact for you: If there's not enough people that like it to support it, then it was a bad thing to begin with.

thats not what i was trying to say
The people who did like me3 and its endings and the new dlc's will be the ones that miss out if the sales are to low and if bioware stop making dlc's

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someguy1231 wrote...

 If sales of the Leviathan DLC are disappointing, I fear that EA will misinterpret the reason for it. Many people here have said they will not buy it, usually because they think it won't change the endings or to send a message of disappoint to Bioware/EA over the endings to begin with. However, EA might look at the low sales numbers and think "That proves it! Single-player is out! Make everything multi-player from now on!" There've been many cases where publishers/developers see a declining video game franchise and try to reinvigorate it in ways that completely miss the reason it was declining. I fear the same may happen to ME if DLC sales drastically decline.


I find it hard to really care.

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Well, considering I watched the DLC on Youtube and saw the handwriting on the wall: my canon Shepard gets to remain in the pile of garbage, and due to this new long term threat they're going to force us to the favored synthesis by the end of the DLCs because our choices matter so much, I've decided not to purchase any of the DLC for this game. I can see the handwriting on the wall. There is no head canon. Shepard dies in the green beam, or everyone ends up as thralls for the Leviathan overlords.

See if you pick Control, the Leviathans will be destroying enough of your reapers you'll have to replenish them by harvesting organics. And basically you're going to have to after the Leviathans in force quickly and destroy any and all those who dare challenge your rule. The Leviathans will challenge yours by indoctrinating organics, so you'll have to be bad, see. So control? Out.

Synthesis is the only choice left. Shepard dies in the green. This was always Mac's dream. How many months have we known this?

I think I'm going to trade it in for Borderlands 2 while I can still get something for it. That will depend upon a group of friends who still play the multiplayer if they're going to continue after BL2. However, it will not stop me from posting here and mocking their game.

Bioware makes me laugh sometimes. This is one of those times. Leviathan was so ridiculous. They just had to make the pressure needle go into the red almost to crush depth. That was so predictable. "Your mind is mine!" Can they write better dialogue than that? It was so cheesy. It didn't hold a candle to LOTSB or Overlord. Is Bioware for real these days? 400 War Assets + 20 War Assets.

We're going to get this race that's not going to fight for us, because we're so insignificant little gnats and who should be worshipping these gods of the deep who were so ****ing stupid that they managed to get themselves harvested. What a bunch of morons! They should be worshipping us. Damned primitives.

If Bioware wrote a better game in the first place the DLC sales would have been better. If Bioware wrote a better game in the first place they wouldn't have had to give refunds. If Bioware wrote a better game in the first place the stock might not have taken a hit so bad. If Bioware wrote a better game in the first place, there might not have been so much hate and bashing going on the forums, but rather more praise about how great the game was instead. But they decided to go with "it's a wasteland" and be the company of "no". So as ye sow so shall ye reap. So if EA decides that this one is a waste so what. Who cares at this point? There are other game companies out there that produce good single player game experiences and care about their customer base. Something that this company seems to need to be reminded about.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 29 août 2012 - 09:54 .


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V-rcingetorix wrote...
For ME3, I just don't feel that urge to buy DLC. The universe should be expanded for what, suicide, suicide and suicide? The rest of the game is fantastic, which is why I wrestle with the DLC purchase potential. But in the end, it's the entirety of a story that compels me to get more chapters.

Besides, being called ignorant (part of a podcast from the partner of Chris Priestly), or told that "artistic integrity" is more important than fulfilling a promise just doesn't give me incentive to spend $$.


Snipped it a little.

I agree with this - any additions to the game pre-ending that doesn't change the outcome are pointless, that's the short and sweet of it.

Your second point is even more important - at this stage of the development of the Mass Effect universe Bioware has more or less an obligation to keep doing what lured people in from the start. Artistic integrity was fine before the release of ME1; no one knew what they they were doing, so they could make whatever they want, but after that? They committed to a cause, and to not keep their promises is despicable.

Bioware is not Valve however (Episode 3 anyone?), which is at least something.

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Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

Demon Velsper wrote...

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

it's going to be DA2 all ovewr again the sales went down and Bioware stopped making dlc's for it, those who wont buy the new dlc are so annoyed at the ending there letting the ones that enjoy the game to suffer.

Brilliant logic. So people shouldn't support games they like by buying DLC, rather they should buy DLC for games they don't like so that the one's that do like it don't have to suffer.

Here's a simple fact for you: If there's not enough people that like it to support it, then it was a bad thing to begin with.

thats not what i was trying to say
The people who did like me3 and its endings and the new dlc's will be the ones that miss out if the sales are to low and if bioware stop making dlc's


Wait wait wait wait, let me get this straight.

You want me, me, to buy something i don't want so others can have a good time?

Let me think about that for a minute....

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If they interpret poor sales of Leviathan as anything other than they've been told repeatedly, that's on them. If they want to be stupid and make their next product even worse to make up for it then let them be stupid.

It's almost as if people think they need to earn a good video game. No. They need to earn your money. They won't do it if they ignore the complaints that came echoing out of the ME3 debacle.

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Not really, I always enjoy that a series fall till it allow open source.
In my heart I would really wish that ME series fail and EA sell it out cheap and be taken by some company that allows modding the game freely.

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sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Well, considering I watched the DLC on Youtube and saw the handwriting on the wall: my canon Shepard gets to remain in the pile of garbage, and due to this new long term threat they're going to force us to the favored synthesis by the end of the DLCs because our choices matter so much, I've decided not to purchase any of the DLC for this game. I can see the handwriting on the wall. There is no head canon. Shepard dies in the green beam, or everyone ends up as thralls for the Leviathan overlords.

See if you pick Control, the Leviathans will be destroying enough of your reapers you'll have to replenish them by harvesting organics. And basically you're going to have to after the Leviathans in force quickly and destroy any and all those who dare challenge your rule. The Leviathans will challenge yours by indoctrinating organics, so you'll have to be bad, see. So control? Out.

Synthesis is the only choice left. Shepard dies in the green. This was always Mac's dream. How many months have we known this?

I think I'm going to trade it in for Borderlands 2 while I can still get something for it. That will depend upon a group of friends who still play the multiplayer if they're going to continue after BL2. However, it will not stop me from posting here and mocking their game.

Bioware makes me laugh sometimes. This is one of those times. Leviathan was so ridiculous. They just had to make the pressure needle go into the red almost to crush depth. That was so predictable. "Your mind is mine!" Can they write better dialogue than that? It was so cheesy. It didn't hold a candle to LOTSB or Overlord. Is Bioware for real these days? 400 War Assets + 20 War Assets.

We're going to get this race that's not going to fight for us, because we're so insignificant little gnats and who should be worshipping these gods of the deep who were so ****ing stupid that they managed to get themselves harvested. What a bunch of morons! They should be worshipping us. Damned primitives.

If Bioware wrote a better game in the first place the DLC sales would have been better. If Bioware wrote a better game in the first place they wouldn't have had to give refunds. If Bioware wrote a better game in the first place the stock might not have taken a hit so bad. If Bioware wrote a better game in the first place, there might not have been so much hate and bashing going on the forums, but rather more praise about how great the game was instead. But they decided to go with "it's a wasteland" and be the company of "no". So as ye sow so shall ye reap. So if EA decides that this one is a waste so what. Who cares at this point? There are other game companies out there that produce good single player game experiences and care about their customer base. Something that this company seems to need to be reminded about.


Will you marry me?  But seriously folks, forget this franchise, it jumped the space shark the second the space brat
showed up on the screen and until Bioware retcons him out of existence Mass Effect universe will always have a space albatross of stupid around its neck.  And to Casey, Mac, Chobot, and Moriarty, wherever you are out there, F*** YOU too!

Modifié par eags, 29 août 2012 - 05:54 .


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We've made too many compromises already, too many retreats. They turn ME into a shooter and we fall back, they throw entire plot lines out the window and we fall back. Not again. The line must be drawn here! This far, no farther! And I will make them pay for what they've done!

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EnvyTB075 wrote...

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

Demon Velsper wrote...

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

it's going to be DA2 all ovewr again the sales went down and Bioware stopped making dlc's for it, those who wont buy the new dlc are so annoyed at the ending there letting the ones that enjoy the game to suffer.

Brilliant logic. So people shouldn't support games they like by buying DLC, rather they should buy DLC for games they don't like so that the one's that do like it don't have to suffer.

Here's a simple fact for you: If there's not enough people that like it to support it, then it was a bad thing to begin with.

thats not what i was trying to say
The people who did like me3 and its endings and the new dlc's will be the ones that miss out if the sales are to low and if bioware stop making dlc's


Wait wait wait wait, let me get this straight.

You want me, me, to buy something i don't want so others can have a good time?

Let me think about that for a minute....

im not saying you should buy anything thats up to you im just trying to see things from a diffrent p.o.v

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Weird forum glitch... thread does not say BIOWARE under 'Created 1 day ago'.

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Astralify wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

So why does the addition of multiplayer, which is optional, affect your enjoyment? I really hope it's not because you guys feel as though you are more sophisticated for playing a single player RPG and you feel MP games are for CoD junkies?


Read THIS very carefully!


You're linking to an extraordinarily silly argument.

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We have to hit rock bottom before things can get better. There will always be popular games that are stupid. Just like there will always be popular music that is stupid. Saturate the market with CoD clones, and maybe... just maybe people will start shopping for substance.

it happened with WWII games it could happen again 

Modifié par halbert986, 29 août 2012 - 07:33 .