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[Emzamination]

hhh89 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...



Even tho hawke didn't Ignite the war, He/she got to choose who got a head start.If you went pro-mage and sided with the mages then you instituted anarchry and struck the first blow in overthrowing the chantry and templars.If you sided with the templars then you helped cullen maintain order with a nice Viscount title as a reward to enforce your rule.See, hawke had power in his/her choice

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The templars and the Chantry aren't overthrown even at the end of the Asunder. What happens (and it happens regardless of what you choose) is that the templars left the Chantry.
The mages still abandon the Circle system, no matter what happened in DA2.
War between mages and templard happened regardless of your choice. There's anarchy regardless what you did. Kirkwall might beneficiate from Hawke's presence, but he stayed in Kirkwall for too little time to change the city.
Hawke had no power. The events happen regardless of his intervention. He didn't stop of change nothing in Kirkwall in Act 3, other than the mages and templars's opinion about him.

A schism in the chantry and their millitant arm? This sounds like the beginning of the end to me.Wasn't there some old saying... united we stand, divided we fall or something other.Hawke's power is like a ripple in a pond, what unfolds and what world we find ourselves in will be guided by his/her actions

Note: Not every templar left the chantry and not every mage left the circle

[The Elder King]

Emzamination wrote...


A schism in the chantry and their millitant arm? This sounds like the beginning of the end to me.Wasn't there some old saying... united we stand, divided we fall or something other.Hawke's power is like a ripple in a pond, what unfolds and what world we find ourselves in will be guided by his/her actions

Note: Not every templar left the chantry and not every mage left the circle

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The schism between the chantry and the templars happend regardless of what side Hawke joined in DA2. The templars didn't left the Chantry because Hawke joined the mages, but because the Chantry wanted to reach a peaceful solution with the mages. The mages didn't left the Circles because Hawke joined the templars, but because they wanted to be free from the templars.
Hawke's actions didn't influence mages or templars. He didn't have the power to stop or change anything, because Anders's actions and Meredith's declaration of the Annulment on an Circle who wasn't involved with Anders made peace impossible. Hawke can't prevent Anders to blow up the Chantry, and can't prevent the war. He can't even influence mages and templars, since they act in an established way (as in Asunder) regardless of Hawke's action.

[Emzamination]

hhh89 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...


A schism in the chantry and their millitant arm? This sounds like the beginning of the end to me.Wasn't there some old saying... united we stand, divided we fall or something other.Hawke's power is like a ripple in a pond, what unfolds and what world we find ourselves in will be guided by his/her actions

Note: Not every templar left the chantry and not every mage left the circle

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The schism between the chantry and the templars happend regardless of what side Hawke joined in DA2. The templars didn't left the Chantry because Hawke joined the mages, but because the Chantry wanted to reach a peaceful solution with the mages. The mages didn't left the Circles because Hawke joined the templars, but because they wanted to be free from the templars.
Hawke's actions didn't influence mages or templars. He didn't have the power to stop or change anything, because Anders's actions and Meredith's declaration of the Annulment on an Circle who wasn't involved with Anders made peace impossible. Hawke can't prevent Anders to blow up the Chantry, and can't prevent the war. He can't even influence mages and templars, since they act in an established way (as in Asunder) regardless of Hawke's action.

Tbh we can't accurately say that the schism didn't happen because of hawke as David gaider said he went through great lengths to avoid mentioning hawke or his/her decisions in the novels.

Like I said in an early post, hawke has the power to usher in anarchy or order.Do you think after a pro-mage hawke defeated the templars the mages went back to their tower quietly? or additional restrictions weren't put on the mages in the case of a pro-templar hawke.

[The Elder King]

Emzamination wrote...


Tbh we can't accurately say that the schism didn't happen because of hawke as David gaider said he went through great lengths to avoid mentioning hawke or his/her decisions in the novels.

Like I said in an early post, hawke has the power to usher in anarchy or order.Do you think after a pro-mage hawke defeated the templars the mages went back to their tower quietly? or additional restrictions weren't put on the mages in the case of a pro-templar hawke.

In a case of a pro-templar Hawke, the mages in Kirkwall were probably killed to fulfill the Annullment. In the case of a pro-mage Hawke, they fled Kirkwall because they can't stay there.
If you're talking about mages in general, the majority didn't want to stay in the Circle regardless of which side Hawke joined. They couldn't tolerate the Annulment in Kirkwall. And the templars would probably be harsher on mages in the other Circles regardless of the choice Hawke did.
For (most of) the templars Ander's actions lead them to want to hunt all mages. And Meredith's actions lead (most of) the mages to try to be free from the Circle and the Chantry. Hawke's choice lead one side to consider him a hero (and the other side to despise him), and to one side of gaining more confidence. But since Asunder could be applied on both of Hawke's choice, it will not matter much.

[The Elder King]

simfamSP wrote...

BioWare's main strength is in their characters. No matter how their plot comes out, their characters always seem to shine. So that's a plus.

The plot will obviously involve Mage and Templar politics. So I am REALLY hoping for a very Witcher 2-esque political backdrop as well as a very personal and emotional journey for the PC alone. No POV crap, I want my PC to go through a Planescape: Torment, or atleast, 40% of it.

There was a leak of info last weeks. We don't know if they real or not. Don't read if you don't want to know about it.





Anyway, it seems that the Chantry will be overthrown, that there'll be a new organization, and a dark threat to world (probably related to demons). Plus, Orlais will be in the middle of a civil war.
It seems that the mage-templar war, if present, will have a minor role to what we expected, since the major plot could be the civil war and the dark threats.