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[nevar00]

Baa Baa wrote...

nevar00 wrote...

ed87 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

ed87 wrote...

Just finished watching that one. Not sure why i would buy it when ive already spent $110 buying the collectors on day one.

Well, you didn't have to do that.

I was delusional. I thought that Bioware were great story-tellers. Turns out theyre great at making shooters.

At least the Dark Knight Rises did justice to a popular trilogy.

Great at making mediocre shooters, maybe.

...Also DKR ****ed over Bane in the end (I loved the film, but just sayin'..)

Sounds like this DLC puts the final nail in the coffin for any IT believers out there though.

Am I the only one that doesn't mind how Bane went out?
I kind of liked how they made him sympathetic in the end. And I didn't really mind killing him because I rooted for Batman the whole movie despite loving the Bane character.

They could've pulled it off in a much better way.  As it is they spent almost the entire film building this guy up as incredibly intelligent and strong but only that, as a complete comparision to Batman.  Both trained under Ra's: Batman left because they were too extreme for him, Bane was kicked out for being too extreme for them.  Both climbed from the prison, the only two to do so.  Both hide behind a mask.  Both come from completely different ways of life: Batman born into riches, never has to work or do anything for himself.  Bane was born into a literal hell (that was actually quite kind and supportive of each other, ahem ahem) and just managed to escape.

Then at the end they tear away everything they build Bane up as and instead passes it over to this flat character we hardly know or care about.  Reminded me of Mass Effect 3's ending in some ways.  Bane is left as a muscled puppet henchmen and is promplty killed halfassedly moments later.  Yeah I'd say they done goofed.  The twist was surprising but honestly, they could've pulled it off much better by keeping Bane in charge manipulating Talia and her quest for revenge to suit his own desires. 

Despite the issues that I think make it the weakest of the three films, it nevertheless is my favorite of them (if that makes sense).

But anyway back to Mass Effect... yeah I don't think I'll buy Leviathan.  Maybe if it comes down in price to 'Bringing Down the Sky's' level.  Which I bought when it was only 80 microsoft points.

[Blueprotoss]

 

babymoon wrote...

So glad I didn't waste money.

MattFini wrote...

This has completely discouraged me from buying this ... which I was planning on doing after work.

Why would that happen unless if you wanted a new ending or wanted more of a discussion at the end of ME3.  Really none of the ME DLCs had a big impact on their ends, but they do have a decent impact like Javik and Leviathan.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 28 août 2012 - 07:54 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

Baa Baa wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

nevar00 wrote...

ed87 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

ed87 wrote...

Just finished watching that one. Not sure why i would buy it when ive already spent $110 buying the collectors on day one.

Well, you didn't have to do that.

I was delusional. I thought that Bioware were great story-tellers. Turns out theyre great at making shooters.

At least the Dark Knight Rises did justice to a popular trilogy.

Great at making mediocre shooters, maybe.

...Also DKR ****ed over Bane in the end (I loved the film, but just sayin'..)

Sounds like this DLC puts the final nail in the coffin for any IT believers out there though.

Am I the only one that doesn't mind how Bane went out?
I kind of liked how they made him sympathetic in the end. And I didn't really mind killing him because I rooted for Batman the whole movie despite loving the Bane character.

You should read my TDKR Blog. But anyway, "The Fire Rises." '

However, not in the context that you think. With each speculation made, Caey Hudson's power level rises, and all Leviathan did was create a helluva lot of more speculation. Soon, he will be able to conquer all of Canada.

I did. You bring up good points (I don't agree because I really enjoyed the movie despite me going into it without high expectations). Lol @ Bruce being in isolation for 8 years because he beat ME3 though.

It's still a good/decent film (I love making comparisons between it and ME3 btw ) I just feel it failed to live up to its hype.

[AresKeith]

Blueprotoss wrote...

 

babymoon wrote...

So glad I didn't waste money.

MattFini wrote...

This has completely discouraged me from buying this ... which I was planning on doing after work.

Why would that happen unless if you wanted a new ending or wanted more of a discussion at the end of ME3.  Really none of the ME DLCs had a big impact on their ends, but they do have a decent impact like Javik and Leviathan.

um ME1 and ME2 DLCs  were all post-ending DLCs where ME3's DLCs are all pre-ending DLCs

[Blueprotoss]

Baa Baa wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Here is a video containing the last 20 minutes of the Leviathan DLC: www.youtube.com/watch

If you'd rather not watch it at the moment I'll tell you what happens.

After some exploration, Shepard meets the Leviathan. Leviathan reveals to Shepard that long before the Reapers were made, its race was the apex of life in the galaxy. Its race subjegated the lesser ones to suit their needs. Leviathan's race cared for the lesser species, but could not protect them from themselves. They eventually built machines that ended up destroying them, eliminating their usefulness to Leviathan's kind. To fix this, Leviathan's race created an intelligence to preserve life at any cost. This intelligence studied and learned about civilizations until it could form a solution. In that instance, it betrayed Leviathan's kind. They were harvested to create the first Reaper - Harbinger. Despite what has transpired, Leviathan still believes that [the Catalyst] is useful, as it still serves its purpose. However, not all of Leviathan's kind were harvested. Some were able to hide from the Reapers, seeking solace in the far reaches of the galaxy. Leviathan itself is only a descendant of those. In seclusion, the remnants of Leviathan's race used special artifacts to explore and observe the pending cycles.

Leviathan doesn't know anything about the Crucible. It refuses to help directly fight the Reapers, knowing that its kind will still survive through the cycles. Instead, it will use its artifacts to indoctrinate Reaper forces and turn them against eachother to cause chaos on the battlefield.

You get a whopping 400 EMS (and another 20 if the Doctor is still alive). I also believe you get one or two new weapons, some extra mods, a new ship decoration and a bonus power. Unfortunately, you won't see Leviathan in the final battle, there will just be a few extra lines of dialogue with the Catalyst.

Worth buying? Up to you to decide.

Is anyone else bothered by how ridiculous this sounds?

If its ridiculous then the Reapers in general would have been ridiculous since their introduction in ME1.

[GreyLycanTrope]

It makes the Reapers retroactively ridiculous, so you're half right there Protoss.

[Blueprotoss]

AresKeith wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

 

babymoon wrote...

So glad I didn't waste money.

MattFini wrote...

This has completely discouraged me from buying this ... which I was planning on doing after work.

Why would that happen unless if you wanted a new ending or wanted more of a discussion at the end of ME3.  Really none of the ME DLCs had a big impact on their ends, but they do have a decent impact like Javik and Leviathan.

um ME1 and ME2 DLCs  were all post-ending DLCs where ME3's DLCs are all pre-ending DLCs

Thats a lie based on how ME1 ends after Sovreign and its better to play the DLC in ME2 other then Arrival before the Collector's base.

[ed87]

nevar00 wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

nevar00 wrote...

ed87 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

ed87 wrote...

Just finished watching that one. Not sure why i would buy it when ive already spent $110 buying the collectors on day one.

Well, you didn't have to do that.

I was delusional. I thought that Bioware were great story-tellers. Turns out theyre great at making shooters.

At least the Dark Knight Rises did justice to a popular trilogy.

Great at making mediocre shooters, maybe.

...Also DKR ****ed over Bane in the end (I loved the film, but just sayin'..)

Sounds like this DLC puts the final nail in the coffin for any IT believers out there though.

Am I the only one that doesn't mind how Bane went out?
I kind of liked how they made him sympathetic in the end. And I didn't really mind killing him because I rooted for Batman the whole movie despite loving the Bane character.

They could've pulled it off in a much better way.  As it is they spent almost the entire film building this guy up as incredibly intelligent and strong but only that, as a complete comparision to Batman.  Both trained under Ra's: Batman left because they were too extreme for him, Bane was kicked out for being too extreme for them.  Both climbed from the prison, the only two to do so.  Both hide behind a mask.  Both come from completely different ways of life: Batman born into riches, never has to work or do anything for himself.  Bane was born into a literal hell (that was actually quite kind and supportive of each other, ahem ahem) and just managed to escape.

Then at the end they tear away everything they build Bane up as and instead passes it over to this flat character we hardly know or care about.  Reminded me of Mass Effect 3's ending in some ways.  Bane is left as a muscled puppet henchmen and is promplty killed halfassedly moments later.  Yeah I'd say they done goofed.  The twist was surprising but honestly, they could've pulled it off much better by keeping Bane in charge manipulating Talia and her quest for revenge to suit his own desires. 

Despite the issues that I think make it the weakest of the three films, it nevertheless is my favorite of them (if that makes sense).

But anyway back to Mass Effect... yeah I don't think I'll buy Leviathan.  Maybe if it comes down in price to 'Bringing Down the Sky's' level.  Which I bought when it was only 80 microsoft points.

The first time ive seen good speculation for a while... and its not about Mass Effect at all. LOL. But yeah, i agree Bane needed a better finish.

I guess the lesson to be learned from the Leviathan DLC is that adding lore is pointless if people feel the themes and characters are a bit broken. But i guess from here all DLC will probably be focused on gameplay and mini-stories. They should stop tieing things to the ending, and make a seperate saga like LOTSB.

[AchesOfDoom]

Leviathan.Was.Totally.Awsome!

[Blueprotoss]

Greylycantrope wrote...

It makes the Reapers retroactively ridiculous, so you're half right there Protoss.

I see nothing ridiculous especially when ME is in the sci-fi genre.  Either way there are a lot more ridiculous things in other sci-fi series then the Reapers and Leviathan.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 28 août 2012 - 08:05 .

[AresKeith]

Blueprotoss wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

 

babymoon wrote...

So glad I didn't waste money.

MattFini wrote...

This has completely discouraged me from buying this ... which I was planning on doing after work.

Why would that happen unless if you wanted a new ending or wanted more of a discussion at the end of ME3.  Really none of the ME DLCs had a big impact on their ends, but they do have a decent impact like Javik and Leviathan.

um ME1 and ME2 DLCs  were all post-ending DLCs where ME3's DLCs are all pre-ending DLCs

Thats a lie based on how ME1 ends after Sovreign and its better to play the DLC in ME2 other then Arrival before the Collector's base.

looks to me like you don't play most RPGs since you can play post-ending DLCs before the ending in some RPGs which Mass Effect has always done

[ShepnTali]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

It makes the Reapers retroactively ridiculous, so you're half right there Protoss.

I see nothing ridiculous especially when ME is in the sci-fi genre.

So is 'Plan 9 from outer Space'.

[Zhijn]

CrutchCricket wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

 Nope. Victory through refusal!

You wish.

You refuse-> you get harvested-> next cycle destroys Reapers, possibly without even encountering Leviathans-->Leviathans take over the galaxy shortly after.

I'd say refuse is the most satisfying of em all. Shepard might not get a golden statue on the Citadel, but damn he or she can sit down and say, great game - but I refuse your ending. 

Its 50k years later, someone else can make the crappy choice. 

[Blueprotoss]

AresKeith wrote...

looks to me like you don't play most RPGs since you can play post-ending DLCs before the ending in some RPGs which Mass Effect has always done

Yet most of the DLC in ME aren't post-ending especially in ME1, ME2, and ME3.  ME2 has an option to play the DLC before the Collector's base while the only real "post-ending" one is Arrival based on ME's timeline.  Btw like i most RPGs DLC normally take place before the ending is reached by the player unless if its a Bethesda game.

[wafflez]

After seeing YouTube videos and reading BSNs opinions on leviathan, I think I'm gonna pass.

[X in 415]

Metacritic seems to be on lock down as far as reviews go. Not one single review is available, even the inevitable mega hater reviews.

[AresKeith]

Blueprotoss wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

looks to me like you don't play most RPGs since you can play post-ending DLCs before the ending in some RPGs which Mass Effect has always done

Yet most of the DLC in ME aren't post-ending especially in ME1, ME2, and ME3.  ME2 has an option to play the DLC before the Collector's base while the only real "post-ending" one is Arrival based on ME's timeline.  Btw like i most RPGs DLC normally take place before the ending is reached by the player unless if its a Bethesda game.

once again they are post-ending DLC, especially in ME2. The fact that you can do them before the ending doesn't mean anything Except for ME3

[Conniving_Eagle]

Sci-Fi =/= Fantasy

[Baa Baa]

@Conniving_Eagle,
Lol btw I'm responding to your blog on TDKR and giving my thoughts on it.
Be warned.
It's long.

[liggy002]

This is just more useless crap, they had an opportunity to bring in Harbinger or at least a fight with a Reaper, instead there is no boss battle with an automatic cutscene kill of a Reaper. Unbelievable, this is why I can't buy any of this crap.

[Blueprotoss]

AresKeith wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

looks to me like you don't play most RPGs since you can play post-ending DLCs before the ending in some RPGs which Mass Effect has always done

Yet most of the DLC in ME aren't post-ending especially in ME1, ME2, and ME3.  ME2 has an option to play the DLC before the Collector's base while the only real "post-ending" one is Arrival based on ME's timeline.  Btw like i most RPGs DLC normally take place before the ending is reached by the player unless if its a Bethesda game.

once again they are post-ending DLC, especially in ME2. The fact that you can do them before the ending doesn't mean anything Except for ME3

I see that you won't admit that you're wrong like usual.

[Blueprotoss]

liggy002 wrote...

This is just more useless crap, they had an opportunity to bring in Harbinger or at least a fight with a Reaper, instead there is no boss battle with an automatic cutscene kill of a Reaper. Unbelievable, this is why I can't buy any of this crap.

Why would there be another Reaper fight when there was already one on Rannoch and Tuchunka?

[Hydralysk]

You know I didn't think that I had any hope left for leviathan, apparently I did cause I just felt myself lose it.

[liggy002]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

I think any DLC will lose its spark when it's forced to conform to this game and the endings.

Absolutely, I wont be buying any DLC most definitely now.  Especially with them pushing that Synthesis crap.

[liggy002]

Blueprotoss wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

This is just more useless crap, they had an opportunity to bring in Harbinger or at least a fight with a Reaper, instead there is no boss battle with an automatic cutscene kill of a Reaper. Unbelievable, this is why I can't buy any of this crap.

Why would there be another Reaper fight when there was already one on Rannoch and Tuchunka?

A capital class Reaper fight... Leviathan vs. Harbinger but of course that didn't happen.