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[Mello]

I'm not, and i'm really hoping Bioware improve the romance options in DA3. I'm pretty sure this was already discussed and if so i apologize. But i felt like the romance in DA2 was so weak yes everybody was whining about their lives or just whining about something. Yeah i get it they had a tough life but what about Hawke? They never asked how Hawke was feeling, or about his/her past it was like they didn't give a damn about Hawke. Only one that seemed to care was Fenris (i've never played male hawke so i can't judge the male romance) I remember reading somewhere that somebody went on forums and websites to see what a woman wants in a man and guess what? BOOM we got Alistair. The most popular romance in DA:O. Bioware please take notes on the romance in DA:O and bring some of that in DA3.

And now what type of romance do you want in DA3?
A sexy romance? A romantic romance? Or just a romance with someone good looking?
Oh yeah, and about good looking come on Bioware you guys could have made Fenris super good looking i don't have a problem with how he looks but come on i know you guys could have done better. <_<  

[Renmiri1]

????

Anders frindship or rivalry romance rocks, so does Fenris. They are both good looking. Heck even sebastian's "chaste marriage" is cute!

I'd recommend you to see some of the youtube stuff for it, you are probably not getting the friendship / rivalry high enough

Unless you mean you want Sex scenes like the mods did to Alistair and other DAO romances... Then you are out of luck. best you can get on DA2 is some shirtless guy in pajama pants and Hawke on a bra discussing "last night":D

PS: Anders kiss is pretty hot though 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 28 août 2012 - 10:16 .

[sistersafetypin]

I'd love to be able to continue my romance with Bela as Hawke, or with Leliana as the Wardan. I think both were done really well.

[LolaLei]

I'd like to see more interaction with the new protagonists companions in general, akin to how it was in DA:O. As for romance, I'd like the option to be able to get to know the potential LI's background, childhood etc before hand rather than just flirting a handful of times, shagging them then moving them into your house like they did in DA2. 

Ideally the LI would start out as an acquaintance, who we get to know firstly as a friend as we learn their likes, dislikes, personality traits and a little of their personal story as they grow to trust you, then gradually introduce the flirting, just subtlety at first to test the waters so we can figure out what kind of approach gets the best results. As the LI starts to respond positively to the flirting it would be cool if maybe we could catch him/her giving the protagonist shy wistful looks, checking the protagonist out (and getting caught by other companions doing so), getting a little jealous if an NPC tries to flirt etc. As things progress you'd start to learn more details about the LI as he/she confides in the protagonist about things that happened to them in the past etc, leading to a personal quest that plays out slightly different conversationally if you're trying to pursue him/her romantically. Finally you get the sex scene, which hopefully would be unique to each individual LI, taking into account their type of personality etc hopefully no more fade to black fully clothed scene... Not that it should be full frontal nudity, but something similar to the ME3 sex scenes would work, with the right camera angles and artistic lighting/mood/atmosphere etc it would be easy enough to avoid showing ****** 'n' arse while still keeping things engaging lol. Aaand once the protagonist and LI are officially an item I would like to see the LI become worried/scared if the protagonist badly injures themself and have the protagonist react to that rather than just stand there looking derpy, have the option to hug/kiss the LI when they're in camp/the home hub and generally have them behave like a couple.

Modifié par LolaLei, 29 août 2012 - 04:45 .

[Renmiri1]

I hear you!

Alas, no such luck for DA2, but I found the stories deeper than DAO. But it took me several playthroughs to get the stories, And you have to read the codex! I'd much prefer a Q&A session at camp followed by some tent fun like in DAO but it is not available.

[CuriousArtemis]

As far as how characters look, I think all the love interests, male and female, have been attractive, yes, but also interesting looking. The only minor quibble I've had is with Fenris' skin. I can see his pores from a mile away and that has always bothered me lol

I don't know about what women want versus what men want ... I am a woman, and I've enjoyed the romances very much. You mentioned Alistair; I'm actually forcing myself to get through an Alistair romance right now. It's a bit too cutesy for me. But so what; he appealed to a lot of other players and I think that's great.

Now my major complaint is just screen time. There should have been more story line to the romances. Not just chat once or twice in each act.

But as for development of the characters, I think BW is heads and shoulders above any other company.

[Mello]

Renmiri1 wrote...
*snip*

I mean the dialogue throughout the romance it was pretty weak in my opinion i don't hate the DA2 romance i just expected more out of Bioware, eh, guess it's only me. 
Yes, Ander's kiss was the best kiss and was uber hot. But i'm still not satisfied. 

LolaLei wrote...
*snip*

Yup, that's an amazing idea. I'm just hoping that BW improve they're getting alot of heat.

[CuriousArtemis]

LolaLei wrote...

Aaand once the protagonist and LI are officially an item I would like to see the LI become worried/scared if the protagonist badly injures themself and have the protagonist react to that rather than just stand there looking derpy

OMG THIIIIIIS.  There was that one time I let Carver die, and so Fenris was the one who got captured by Grace. So Hawke rescues him, and the conversation is like:

Hawke: You okay, dude?
Fenris: Yeah, man, I'm fine. *gets up*

Me:  YOU GUYS ARE IN LOVE, CAN YOU AT LEAST ACT LIKE IT

[LolaLei]

I hated that! Like when Anders thought the Qunari had got Hawke and he was like:

Anders: "Thank the Maker you're safe love, I thought they'd got you for sure!"

Hawke: *Stares into space as a tumble weed roles past*

Anders: *Waits for reply*

Hawke: ... Let's go.

Something similar happens in the MotA DLC when Hawke and Tallis get out of the dungeon prison. Even just a simple "I'm find *insert name, I'm just glad your here now" would do as a reply.

As for big situations when your protagonist nearly gets killed during a cutscene where the bad guy knocks him/her out or something, then the LI should run over to the protagonist and show clear signs of being worried, saying something like "please, *insert name* wake up! Don't you die on me, not now, not when I've finally found you" and when the protagonist regains conciousness or whatever they should embrace and say something like "You can't get rid of me that easily" or "I'd never leave you behind" etc.

Modifié par LolaLei, 29 août 2012 - 04:57 .

[Xilizhra]

Yes, I'm very satisfied with DA2's romance options. But expanded romance content such as what's being talked about here would be good too.

[Renmiri1]

Oh, come on, MotA has the best dialogue for a rescue LI!

(If romanced, after they have escaped from the Dungeons)
Anders: Here I always figured you'd be the one coming to spring me from someone's dungeon. I had it all planned.
Anders: I'd be in the Gallows, templars all around, holding the brand for the Rite of Tranquility. Then you'd burst in and break my chains.
Anders: And then it would be all about the best way to show my gratitude.
Hawke:
(If Hawke has a diplomatic/helpful personality) Then I should spend some time working out how to thank you.
(If Hawke has a humorous/charming personality) Did it have anything to do with finding another use for those chains?
(If Hawke has an aggressive/direct personality) You already know the best way to do that.
(The next line depends on who is in the party)
Fenris: Get a room!
Aveline: I hate to point this out, but... Tallis rescued Hawke.
Isabela: This is all so sweet... but we didn't actually do any rescuing, remember?
Tallis: Not to come between you two or anything, but you didn't actually rescue us.
Tallis: I did.
Hawke: Though... you didn't actually rescue me, did you?
Anders: It's the thought that counts.
(Alternative)
Anders: I could be grateful to you too.

And Anders / Hawke dialogue when he is kidnapped is cute ^^. I killed Carver on the Deep Roads just to hear it She says she will never let this happen again and he says she is looking lovelier than ever 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 29 août 2012 - 07:51 .

[Parmida]

motomotogirl wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Aaand once the protagonist and LI are officially an item I would like to see the LI become worried/scared if the protagonist badly injures themself and have the protagonist react to that rather than just stand there looking derpy

OMG THIIIIIIS.  There was that one time I let Carver die, and so Fenris was the one who got captured by Grace. So Hawke rescues him, and the conversation is like:

Hawke: You okay, dude?
Fenris: Yeah, man, I'm fine. *gets up*

Me:  YOU GUYS ARE IN LOVE, CAN YOU AT LEAST ACT LIKE IT

^These +90000000000
Come on Bioware, add more love for our foreveralone characters let them hug and kiss and reveal their worry for each other (preferably in public:devil:).
<3Us girls love emotional stuff so much!<3

Modifié par Parmida, 29 août 2012 - 08:48 .

[esper]

Parmida wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Aaand once the protagonist and LI are officially an item I would like to see the LI become worried/scared if the protagonist badly injures themself and have the protagonist react to that rather than just stand there looking derpy

OMG THIIIIIIS.  There was that one time I let Carver die, and so Fenris was the one who got captured by Grace. So Hawke rescues him, and the conversation is like:

Hawke: You okay, dude?
Fenris: Yeah, man, I'm fine. *gets up*

Me:  YOU GUYS ARE IN LOVE, CAN YOU AT LEAST ACT LIKE IT

^These +90000000000
Come on Bioware, add more love for our foreveralone characters let them hug and kiss and reveal their worry for each other (preferably in public:devil:).
<3Us girls love emotional stuff so much!<3

This is Fenris we are talking about, it is very much in his characther.
Anders and Merill act more of being in love.
With Anders muttering something about never thinking that he would be a damsel in distress and Hawke saying something reassuring, and Merrill said that her greatest fear was that she would never see Hawke again.

At least they bloody react to the things happining around Hawke. Nobody ever cared when something personal happened to the warden.

[Parmida]

Fenris is a secret hopeless romantic and I love him so much.

[esper]

Parmida wrote...

Fenris is a secret hopeless romantic and I love him so much.

I have only done one Fenris romance, but it was my clear impression that he was not into public display of affections, that doesn't mind that he is not a romantic.

Introvert persons can be romantic too, they just don't shout from the rooftop of begin running around killing people in public.

[Parmida]

He tries to look strong in front of others and doesn't show any weakness, he's so cute when he does that:
(If Hawke is romancing Fenris)

Merrill: (Giggles)
Fenris: What? Why are you looking at me like that?
Merrill: You're in love!
Fenris: I am not.
Merrill: You keep looking at Hawke with sad puppy eyes every time his back is turned. (male Hawke)
Merrill: Everytime she looks away, you stare at Hawke with those sad puppy eyes. (female Hawke)
Fenris: There are no puppy eyes.
Merrill: It's all right, you know. Even you can be happy once in a while. It won't kill you. But your face might crack if you smile, so be careful.

And he's not afraid of showing public love, if he chooses to do it he does it so damn good! like the goodbye scene at the end, it was damn hot.
In MOTA he has a line too about that capture scene and it's endearing<3, but I don't think that was enough, they could have added more to the scene when they found Hawke and Tallis.
The line is:
(If Hawke is romancing Fenris)

Fenris: You frightened me.
Hawke: Me?
Fenris: Before we found you, there was a moment when I...
Fenris: Don't do that again.

Modifié par Parmida, 29 août 2012 - 09:25 .

[esper]

Parmida wrote...

He tries to look strong in front of others and doesn't show any weakness, he's so cute when he does that:
(If Hawke is romancing Fenris)

Merrill: (Giggles)
Fenris: What? Why are you looking at me like that?
Merrill: You're in love!
Fenris: I am not.
Merrill: You keep looking at Hawke with sad puppy eyes every time his back is turned. (male Hawke)
Merrill: Everytime she looks away, you stare at Hawke with those sad puppy eyes. (female Hawke)
Fenris: There are no puppy eyes.
Merrill: It's all right, you know. Even you can be happy once in a while. It won't kill you. But your face might crack if you smile, so be careful.

And he's not afraid of showing public love, if he chooses to do it he does it so damn good! like the goodbye scene at the end, it was damn hot.
In MOTA he has a line too about that capture scene and it's endearing<3, but I don't think that was enough, they could have added more to the scene when they found Hawke and Tallis.
The line is:
(If Hawke is romancing Fenris)

Fenris: You frightened me.
Hawke: Me?
Fenris: Before we found you, there was a moment when I...
Fenris: Don't do that again.

But that is very much in line with what he says in best served cold.  Just in best served cold he is also ashamed, to have been captured and in Mota he was afraid because it was Hawke that are captured.

And the puppy eyes are involentary on Fenris part. As he says 'there are no puppy eyes' (even if there obviously is)

The last straw is different. It is not public in the same way, you are standing amongst allies and there are no rescuing going on. It is more of a better stay alive than a 'thank you'.

[Parmida]

No, it's public love cause others are present (other companions, knight commander and templars or orsino and mages) and see what's going on, besides Anders doesn't give you that hot public kiss and just gives you a thank you and a romantic line.

[sylvanaerie]

My biggest issue has to do with time jump in DA2. It made me feel very disconnected from most of the companions (esp that 3 year gap with the Fenris romance). That said, I did enjoy what was provided, I just had to fill in the blanks in my head for stuff. If Bioware goes with this type of thing (2-3 scheduled talks per act, maybe one love scene triggered in the middle act), I think I'd be much happier if the time jumps weren't so jarring. Looking at a codex to see what my romantic partner in the game did for 6 out of the 7-8 years spent with them isn't my idea of 'connecting' to the character. Because it feels like he's more attached to the heart of the story, I felt more for Varric than any of the others, and he isn't even romanceable!

Don't get me wrong, I felt each of the romances I was able to do had its cute moments (I've never done the Anders's romance, he creeps me out), but compared to the connection I felt in the tight amount of time (1 year in Origins as opposed to 10 years in DA2) the romances felt like "DA-light". I feel that there should have been more interaction rather than 'the same amount' since the time frame is so much longer.

And I'm not talking sex scenes or even a party camp, but it would have been nice to be able to hop over to the Hanged man for a kiss or a game of cards with Isabela, or take her out 'shopping' (a fade to black with the suggestion of a shopping trip would have been fine). Or go to Fenris' mansion and spend the day cleaning the damn thing because...dude...it never seemed to get picked up the entire time there! No way would my Hawke's have visited a slob like that. Or a scene where you show Merrill around the city to help her get more comfortable in Kirkwall (and not so prone to get lost). Any of this would have helped me connect more with the characters, doing NORMAL people things instead of running around with them always fighting, and the convos being disjointed like they were.

What would solve this? A Toolset for DA3 because Bioware doesn't have the time/resources to make this kind of stuff, but modders do. Of course, that does little for Xbox and PS3 players, but it would resolve it for some of their customers.

An issue I am certain has been discussed many times on the boards here.

[Dwarva]

Hmm IMO there are issues with the romance in both games. In DAO you could virtually be in love with some of the LIs after a single main quest. Made even easier by the introduction of the Feastday Gifts. I was able to have Alistair at love within about an hour of playing the game... Now, granted, that was my doing by using the gifts (which I won't be doing again) but it wasn't realistic in the slightest. I had to headcanon it by saying because they were in crisis their feelings were heightened.

But in DA2 the exact opposite happened. Their relationships during the gaps felt awkward (particularly Fenris' and Isabela's...). I find it hard to believe Fenris would follow Hawke around and neither of them would refer to the fact they spent the night together, nor go looking for anyone else. Isabela apparently buggered off during that time and yet when she comes back it's as though no time has passed.

I absolutely understand why Bioware chose to have the gaps between acts but it had a difficult knock on effect on some of the romances IMO.

Personally I'd like the ability to talk to my LI whenever I wanted ala DAO, but to have the relationship progress at a reasonable rate. Anders' relationship was the only one that felt like it had the right timescale (flirting in act one, admission of love a year or so later in act 2 and moving in 3 years after that in act 3).

[Sylvanpyxie]

I had a few problems with the Dragon Age 2 characters, and also a couple of problems with Dragon Age Origins characters but i won't go into that too much. There's a couple of running themes that are beginning to annoy me in Bioware companions and be prepared because this might end up a tad long...

The biggest problems Companion characters have in general are:

Lack of stable progression - Being able to either completely bump approval up to max with gifts or guides, removing all their friendship or romantic dialogue in a matter of minutes and using up all their content before you've even started the game. Or, in Dragon Age 2's case, spreading it equally through-out the game but scheduling it in a manner that feels unrealistic. It's either insanely rushed and hurried, feeling unnatural at the rate of knots it's progressing to Sexy Town, or it's losing it's natural flow and left feeling broken and disconnected.

Bioware would need to find a way to balance the two - A certain amount of dialogue dependant on Affection and the rest dependant on where you are in the game. (It would also be nice if companions took the initiative to start a conversation with you, instead of you always being the one to pursue it with them, but that's an entirely different gripe)

All encompassing personalities - Dragon Age 2 had this to a greater degree. Companions were defined by one single event in their lives and it caused their character to revolve entirely around that single moment. Their personalities were defined by it and they never once strayed from that path.

People aren't defined by one single feature. There are always variables, and this is where Dragon Age 2 fell flat for me. A defining feature is fine, it's great if a character has beliefs that they feel so strongly about, that can be an excellent foundation for a character, but there needs to be something beyond that in order to give it depth. There needs to be variables. If a character is constantly obsessing over this one single aspect of themselves, then they're going to start grating on your nerves.

Bioware need to get the balance right between their character foundations(defining event or belief) and their variables(additional beliefs and experiences).

Lack of Consequences - In Dragon Age 2, with the friendship and rivalry system, it was always possible to romance someone, regardless of how much you pooped all over their beliefs. It works for some characters, sure, someone like Anders who is effectively clinging to some semblance of normality is going to cling to Hawke regardless, it's a part of his character. He has an obsessive nature in Dragon Age 2, it kind of fits.

The problem becomes evident when you're taking a strong, willful, independent character and ignoring all of their beliefs in order to maintain a romance with them. This is where i personally draw the line. A strong willed human being(or elf) who is completely independent and capable should not be clinging to someone who is so completely against *everything* they believe in.

Friendships and romances with characters should carry some semblance of consequence. There should be a point where the character just stands up and says "You're wrong, this has to stop.". There has to be a breaking point, you can only push someone so far before they turn around and clop you one over the head.

Bioware need to work on making choices count for something, at least in terms of romances, because there needs to be a point where the Companion just cannot take anymore and pushes you away.

At least, these are the problems that I feel need addressing, entirely my opinion. So, feel free to disagree.

Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 29 août 2012 - 12:38 .

[LolaLei]

Precisely. I mean, at least in DA:O if you done something that they strongly didn't agree with then they'd leave, attack you or give you a telling off. In DA2 regardless of how rude you were to a companion you could still romance them. No way would someone as sensitive as Merrill want to date a Hawke that publicly humiliates and belittles her at every chance.

[Renmiri1]

Parmida wrote...

No, it's public love cause others are present (other companions, knight commander and templars or orsino and mages) and see what's going on, besides Anders doesn't give you that hot public kiss and just gives you a thank you and a romantic line.

Ya, that bugged me a lot. Where is my Hawke's kiss dammit! The worst part is that there is a kiss scene but you only get that if Anders decides to commit suicide after helping you side with templars 

As for timing, Anders romance is perfect IMHO, Crush on year one, move in on year 3, he goes wacko on year 7. Gives you time to "be happy for a while" and enjoy your LI on Act 2. Fenris and Sebastian romances are on Act 3 mostly so they feel  so rushed!! 

Sylvanpyxie .. after reading your Sebastian posts I did romance him on my last playthrough. Was cute! 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 29 août 2012 - 04:27 .

[AbsoluteApril]

lots of great things already mentioned, I hope I don't repeat too much. BioWare in-game relationships are head and sholders above (the few) others I've seen. Even in their own games where it's 'worse' than before, it's still amazing.

As was stated - the DA2 romances generally progress quickly and rather.. oddly, they felt much more natural in DA:O - get to know the LI, then after a few conversations some simple flirting to test the waters and it can go from there. In DA2 it seemed like instant 'heart options' in the 1st or 2nd dialogue with the potential LI. Perhaps it was all the camp talk in DAO that helped with the flow?

I believe a dev made comment that they removed any option for the potential LIs to flirt/make a move on the PC because of prior complaints of 'ninja-mancing' - probably also why the "HEART" icon was so clear. Personally, I like the unexpected. I *loved* when Alistair offers the rose or kisses the warden without her making that move. Having someone make an overture or advance on the PC un-expected is, to me, more like real life. People like someone and the other party doesn't feel the same way (I did really enjoy the fact that you could flirt with Aveline and have it not go anywhere in DA2, bravo for that!).

On a much more base note, I really want to be able to do this anytime (assuming the LI would be okay with it as well of course)

[LolaLei]

[quote]Renmiri1 wrote...

[quote]Parmida wrote...
Ya, that bugged me a lot. Where is my Hawke's kiss dammit! The worst part is that there is a kiss scene but you only get that if Anders decides to commit suicide after helping you side with templars 

As for timing, Anders romance is perfect IMHO, Crush on year one, move in on year 3, he goes wacko on year 7. Gives you time to "be happy for a while" and enjoy your LI on Act 2. Fenris and Sebastian romances are on Act 3 mostly so they feel  so rushed!! 

[/quote]

Huh? Why didn't I know about this? Does anyone have a video of it I can watch??