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[Renmiri1]

LolaLei wrote...

The thing I did like about Anders, was that it was clear that he fancied Hawke right from the start, even if you didn't flirt with him he would try to flirt with you. I get the impression that he holds a torch for Hawke even if you romance someone else. Kinda like Kaidan with female Shepard in ME1, he drops hints constantly that he likes her right from the start, even if you show no interest. Which I find really sweet.

THIS

IMHO even if not romanced he still loves Hawke and that is the reason he stays on Kirkwall. Be it male Hawke or Female Hawke, since the beggining, right after you get back from Karl's quest. He tells you he is yours 

 "My maps are yours, as am I if you want me"  :wub:

Modifié par Renmiri1, 01 septembre 2012 - 03:05 .

[sylvanaerie]

Renmiri1 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

The thing I did like about Anders, was that it was clear that he fancied Hawke right from the start, even if you didn't flirt with him he would try to flirt with you. I get the impression that he holds a torch for Hawke even if you romance someone else. Kinda like Kaidan with female Shepard in ME1, he drops hints constantly that he likes her right from the start, even if you show no interest. Which I find really sweet.

THIS

IMHO even if not romanced he still loves Hawke and that is the reason he stays on Kirkwall. Be it male Hawke or Female Hawke, since the beggining, right after you get back from Karl's quest. He tells you he is yours 

 "My maps are yours, as am I if you want me"  :wub:

Actually this is one of the things that creeps me out about him.  He maintains this torch for Hawke years later despite my Hawke's tell him they aren't interested!  What you see as "romantic" I see as a "stalker mentality" that begins 5 mins after meeting Hawke when he's trying to get into his/her pants when he should be, I dunno...maybe grieving for the former lover he just mercy-killed!  And instead of wanting to talk about Karl, and what just happened, his conversation is all about "memememememe".  It is a flaw in the writing that the conversation is about the whole Justice/Anders merger, but it makes him come off as extremely narcissistic to me that he prattles on and on about himself when he's not even washed Karl's blood off his hands...

If shot down and you romance Merrill or Fenris, Anders will badmouth both of them, saying they will betray you because of their obsessions, during his act 3 quest, where, you know, he is going to get materials for his bomb where he plans to do exactly what he warns Hawke they will do to him/her!

Add to that his greasy, unkempt appearance with the narrow chin makes him look like a weasel to me.  Even finding a nice looking morph for him on DANexus didn't help (Anders of the Anderfels).  His personality is so offputting to me I just can't bring myself to like him, let alone romance him in any of my playthroughs.

It's nice if you find things to like about him, want to romance him, or prefer him to other romances, but he is most definitely NOT my cup of tea.  So, Anders...a big, fat, whopping "DO NOT WANT"! from me. 

As for DA3, I'm not asking for stable, stable is boring but would it be possible that our next selections for romance aren't all batsh*t insane?

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 01 septembre 2012 - 05:19 .

[Renmiri1]

tehehe... Ya I like crazy. As my Hawke says to Varric when cautioned about Anders
"In all those years you've known me have I ever given you the impression that I get turned OFF by crazy ?" 

Is funny because I can't stand Liara precisely because of the chin and the stalkerish behavior. Yet with Anders it just makes me find him even sweeter.  But Liara is not crazy enough for me  - in game LIs at least. My BF is very normal - perhaps that is why I like the opposite in games 

Stalkish ?  Agreed 100% but he does it very sweetly, not pouting that I didn't return back from  the dead sooner like Liara or Kaidan 

The "memememe" ?  In my view, Anders doesn't want to talk about Karl, because he is still numb with shock about it. But a great part of his anger at Temmplars and Sir Alrick in the subsequent years is due to what they did with Karl. He was never raped or beaten by Templars but his first love was lobotomized (and perhaps beaten / raped) by them and he can't forgive that.

Another reason for the "mememe" and all that mage talk is that Anders has fallen head over heels for Hawke. He is trying to justify himself to Hawke. His dialogues with Hawke on on Act 1 are pretty much Anders trying to get Hawke to like him in spite of his merge with Justice. It is also very important to him that Hawke agrees with his manifesto. Yet when/ if Anders finally gets a flirt from Hawke he gets scared. He knows he is possessed and obssessed and will eventually hurt Hawke so Anders pushes him / her away.

I can totally understand being creeped out by an ugly SOB that has a crush on you. To me that is Liara. To you it is Anders. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 01 septembre 2012 - 09:59 .

[Amirit]

sylvanaerie wrote...
Actually this is one of the things that creeps me out about him.  He maintains this torch for Hawke years later despite my Hawke's tell him they aren't interested!  What you see as "romantic" I see as a "stalker mentality" that begins 5 mins after meeting Hawke when he's trying to get into his/her pants when he should be, I dunno...maybe grieving for the former lover he just mercy-killed!  And instead of wanting to talk about Karl, and what just happened, his conversation is all about "memememememe".  It is a flaw in the writing that the conversation is about the whole Justice/Anders merger, but it makes him come off as extremely narcissistic to me that he prattles on and on about himself when he's not even washed Karl's blood off his hands...

Wow, you do hate him  
If someone is not your type - there is no way to convince you otherwise (I mean "you" in general, not you personably). Still, just for clarification, small corrections, nothing more. You do not have to change your opinion (not like you are going to do it anyway)
You know, love is not a switch: telling someone to stop loving you not always immediately turns feeling off. I, for one, like consistency in people and would be surprised that simple "no" suddenly converted a crazy in love person into stone cold statue.
As for grieving - do not forget in case of female Hawk Karl was not his lover, just a friend. And according to all movies (I know ) the only way to get relieve in a grief is a good sex.  

Jokes aside - Anders just lost his friend, even worse - had to kill him. AND he revealed his possession with the spirit (demon for all Hawk can know). Anders is so vulnerable at this point in all possible ways, so emotional - he might try to grasp on one thing he knows: a sympathy from an attractive person (remember DAA Anders?). Hawk could simply call templars to kill that obvious abomination. But he/she did not, demonstrated some compassion instead. Of course Anders wants to tell everything about Justice, to explain and to make things clear. 
There are way to many wholes in the game plot but that one does not look like a whole to me.

[sylvanaerie]

Amirit wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...
Actually this is one of the things that creeps me out about him.  He maintains this torch for Hawke years later despite my Hawke's tell him they aren't interested!  What you see as "romantic" I see as a "stalker mentality" that begins 5 mins after meeting Hawke when he's trying to get into his/her pants when he should be, I dunno...maybe grieving for the former lover he just mercy-killed!  And instead of wanting to talk about Karl, and what just happened, his conversation is all about "memememememe".  It is a flaw in the writing that the conversation is about the whole Justice/Anders merger, but it makes him come off as extremely narcissistic to me that he prattles on and on about himself when he's not even washed Karl's blood off his hands...

Wow, you do hate him  
If someone is not your type - there is no way to convince you otherwise (I mean "you" in general, not you personably). Still, just for clarification, small corrections, nothing more. You do not have to change your opinion (not like you are going to do it anyway)
You know, love is not a switch: telling someone to stop loving you not always immediately turns feeling off. I, for one, like consistency in people and would be surprised that simple "no" suddenly converted a crazy in love person into stone cold statue.
As for grieving - do not forget in case of female Hawk Karl was not his lover, just a friend. And according to all movies (I know ) the only way to get relieve in a grief is a good sex.  

Jokes aside - Anders just lost his friend, even worse - had to kill him. AND he revealed his possession with the spirit (demon for all Hawk can know). Anders is so vulnerable at this point in all possible ways, so emotional - he might try to grasp on one thing he knows: a sympathy from an attractive person (remember DAA Anders?). Hawk could simply call templars to kill that obvious abomination. But he/she did not, demonstrated some compassion instead. Of course Anders wants to tell everything about Justice, to explain and to make things clear. 
There are way to many wholes in the game plot but that one does not look like a whole to me.

This I'm not complaining about, I can accept that he may take some time to get over Hawke, (by the same token why does he seem to almost forget Karl as soon as he's dead and start hitting on Hawke), but the fact that he badmouths Hawke's Significant Other 7 years later and STILL tries to insinuate himself is creepy/stalkerish.  There is nothing 'sweet' about that to me.

Also, whether you are a LadyHawke or a MaleHawke doesn't change who Karl was.  He just doesn't TELL LadyHawke he likes dudes.  I always got a "Bi" vibe off Anders, even in Awakenings.  Not that he has any preference, I think Anders has always just been kind of like Zevran, find your pleasures where you can because at any given moment you or they can be taken away.  It is, admittedly, a failure of the writing at that moment that once Karl is killed, Anders barely mentions him again...EVER...and he immediately flip sides into trying to sex up Hawke.  And holds this years long 'crush' on Hawke who may or may not have given him an ounce of encouragement.

So yea, that convo comes off as very narcissistic to me, all about mememememe, but this too is consistant with his Awakenings personality.  He just didn't get all scary-stalkerish with the Warden, just Hawke.

And yes, yes I do hate him.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 01 septembre 2012 - 04:55 .

[Renmiri1]

I think Karl was his first love even if you are femHawke. He doesn't reveal that little nugget to femHawke because it wouldn't help his case to shck Hawke even more. Revealing it to a guy Hawke opens the door for guyHawke to reveal he likes men so it helps Anders case and Anders does it.

Modifié par Renmiri1, 01 septembre 2012 - 04:50 .

[sylvanaerie]

Renmiri1 wrote...

I think Karl was his first love even if you are femHawke. He doesn't reveal that little nugget to femHawke because it wouldn't help his case to shck Hawke even more. Revealing it to a guy Hawke opens the door for guyHawke to reveal he likes men so it helps Anders case and Anders does it.

This, yes.

[Renmiri1]

PS: Anders and Karl were not together. He had been a Warden on Vigils keep and Karl left Ferelden to come to Kirkwall. He was there to help a friend

Anders tells a romanced Hawke that he had never fallen in love before. At the circle tower, love was only a game. The mages would not want to give templars power by giving them someone or something they couldn't bear to loose.

And grief can be expressed in a lot of ways. Including "denial" and pretending to move on quickly, faking a coldness and lack of feeling. In Act 3 Anders is already grieving for his loss of Hawke so he pushes Hawke away and withdraws into himself. That is how he deals with grief.

[Amirit]

Renmiri1 wrote...

PS: Anders and Karl were not together. He had been a Warden on Vigils keep and Karl left Ferelden to come to Kirkwall. He was there to help a friend

Anders tells a romanced Hawke that he had never fallen in love before. At the circle tower, love was only a game. The mages would not want to give templars power by giving them someone or something they couldn't bear to loose.

And grief can be expressed in a lot of ways. Including "denial" and pretending to move on quickly, faking a coldness and lack of feeling. In Act 3 Anders is already grieving for his loss of Hawke so he pushes Hawke away and withdraws into himself. That is how he deals with grief.

All good points. I just add one more - in DAA Anders was 100% straight. He always talked only about women, he flirted only with women, he told stories about him and women and was disgusted by Oghrens jokes about gey templars. The only reason he was made gey (bi) in DA2 is to make all companions awaylable. Cheap move from BW and pure metagaming reason.
If your first ever run DA2 was with femHawk and without spoilers - you would never even though that Karl could be anything but a  friend.
In your personal hadcanon he can be whoever you want but facts are facts.

[Renmiri1]

DAA Anders wouldn't be the first Bi that fooled people into thinking they are 100% straight. On Da2 he is a lot more confident on himself and his sexuality and even jokes with Varric about confessing his undying love.

Truth to be told, he might not even be bi. I view the Circle flings as a "college thing", there was nothing else fun to do in the tower, everyone was studying hard and under a lot of pressure, defying templars to do the naughty added a thrill to it... I think all mages (and definitely some templars) experimented a lot

PPS: Bann Teegan is hot! My Warden always flirts with him during the siege of Kirkwall 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 01 septembre 2012 - 05:14 .

[sylvanaerie]

Renmiri1 wrote...

DAA Anders wouldn't be the first Bi that fooled people into thinking they are 100% straight. On Da2 he is a lot more confident on himself and his sexuality and even jokes with Varric about confessing his undying love.

Truth to be told, he might not even be bi. I view the Circle flings as a "college thing", there was nothing else fun to do in the tower, everyone was studying hard and under a lot of pressure, defying templars to do the naughty added a thrill to it... I think all mages (and definitely some templars) experimented a lot

PPS: Bann Teegan is hot! My Warden always flirts with him during the siege of Kirkwall 

I think you mean Redcliffe?  

And choosing the sarcastic lines with Teagan in MotA, on a female Hawke (if you do it after the meeting with King Alistair) gets you a sweet comment about "you remind me of someone I used to know".  I like to think it's the warden he's talking about because my Surana flirted shamelessly with him, right in front of Alistair!

Teagan's my favorite NPC from DA.

And yea, that's kind of how I read the Circle, as 'get your pleasures where/when you can' because the templars can take them away at any given moment.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 01 septembre 2012 - 05:57 .

[Renmiri1]

Ya Redcliffe

And my Warden Mage was the one that flirted with him.. Was awesome how he says that certain things are worth fighting for when she tells him she is a mage and marrying her demands courage. I wish there was a game prompt to say "Excuse me Alistair, look away" and snog him then an there!

[Ryzaki]

Less angst would be very much appreciated. I mean angst has it's place but...over saturation much?

[Minttymint]

Well I love all the romances for different reasons... Apart from Merril, I just cant get into her romance.
And I am indeed quite satisfied with the DA:O and DA2 romances/love interests.
I just hope that in "The Next Thing" we have a male love interest that isnt a in-experienced virgin or an over-experienced ****. Someone more like Aveline who has had a relationship in the past
but that's over (or when its over; if it happens mid-story that's cool too!) and he falls in love with the protagonist.

[Renmiri1]

Ryzaki wrote...

Less angst would be very much appreciated. I mean angst has it's place but...over saturation much?

Alistair is a pretty sweet angst free romance. 

[Dwarva]

Most of the DAO ones are really. In DAII both female romances were fairly angst free? I guess Merrill's might not have been if you rivalmanced her. But if you romanced her as, say, a blood mage then there's no angst there either.

Tis just the boys lol

[Renmiri1]

Mmm.. Bad boys


**drools **

Modifié par Renmiri1, 02 septembre 2012 - 11:05 .

[Mello]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Mmm.. Bad boys


**drools **

Hell yeah. 

[sylvanaerie]

I just want at least one option that isn't totally batsh*t crazy. Isabela was it this game I guess, and my favorite romance by default in DA2, (it was very mature and well written) and even then she had some serious (though not insurmountable) issues. Merrill's is a much more satisfying a romance on the rivalry path than friendship (IMO) because you can turn her around, and *Spoiler below*'


She breaks the mirror. Too late to save her Keeper, but that's what it takes.  Of course, this happens regardless if you romance her or not, but rivaled, she just seems so alone at the end if she hasn't been romanced.

At least those two show character growth if romanced. Sadly though I love the character, Fenris never seems to change from his stance, but at least he's written as madly in love with Hawke regardless of his/her class (mages included). The rivalmance seemed to have more passion to it, but I did it twice on two different Hawke's (one a very pacifistic diplomatic mage LadyHawke and one a sassy gay rogue MaleHawke) and I enjoyed the dichotomy between his broodiness and her calm as well as my rogue's ability to defuse his anger with well placed humor.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 04 septembre 2012 - 11:18 .

[Crimson Moon]

I don't know why so many people dislike Anders. He's like an adorable puppy (with psychotic mentality). My Hawke romance him in almost every playthrough, asides from Isabela. Fenris is okay, but he seems to lose in the shuffle with his constant hate for mages. I'm pro-mage, so it's kinda irritating the way he keeps attacking mages.

[Renmiri1]

An adorable puppy that pees on the bed, poos on the carpet and chews all your shoes, but still adorable !

J/K

I love Anders romance, he is the sweetest LI, completely head over heels about Hawke. But I do understand that some people don't like his obsessive pro mage stance. Guys and gals, Anders is obssessive about everything, including you! That is just the way he is.. if he likes or hates something he does it with passion! Hot sweet and adorable passion 

And it does suck to see Justice/ Vengeance win over on Act 3. All of a sudden Anders pushes you away and lies to you. WTF ? My Hawke could forgive him but I can certainly understand that other players' Hawke are not able to.

Modifié par Renmiri1, 04 septembre 2012 - 02:36 .

[thats1evildude]

Speaking only from the perspective of the Merrill romance, I would like better flirt options. I only flirted with Merrill once to start the romance ("I'm sensitive, handsome and supportive. What more could you possibly want?") because I couldn't bear the other flirt options. They were just terrible.

[LolaLei]

I wanted to romance Varric. Totally would have been my number 1 choice in DA2, what a charmer!

[Renmiri1]

apparently David Gaider regrets not making Varric romanceable

Arius23 wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

http://www.gamefront...g-demographics/

I am fairly positive those were the numbers shown so I think that is the study he used.

I forgot to mention one very funny moment. One girl asked why Varric was not a love-interest. David said that he swears that if he knew Varric would have come across so sexy and suave in the final product, he would have made him romanceable.

Someone then yelled "What about Oghren?!" Everyone laughed and David looked at her with disgust. He said he was horrified at the thought of smelling Oghren's beer-breath while he licked the Warden's face, lol.

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/13948777/1#13985970

[sylvanaerie]

Renmiri1 wrote...

apparently David Gaider regrets not making Varric romanceable

Arius23 wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

http://www.gamefront...g-demographics/

I am fairly positive those were the numbers shown so I think that is the study he used.

I forgot to mention one very funny moment. One girl asked why Varric was not a love-interest. David said that he swears that if he knew Varric would have come across so sexy and suave in the final product, he would have made him romanceable.

Someone then yelled "What about Oghren?!" Everyone laughed and David looked at her with disgust. He said he was horrified at the thought of smelling Oghren's beer-breath while he licked the Warden's face, lol.

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/13948777/1#13985970

Damn.  Hindsight is 20/20 eh?  I totally would have romanced him!  He was my favorite companion in DA2.