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[Renmiri1]

sylvanaerie wrote...

I still prefer to believe his sexuality is more a matter of 'finding your pleasures where they may' and sort of living in the moment, because he really can't contemplate a future with the threat of the Templars and his own taint bearing down on him making any future an iffy prospect at best.

Oh definitely. At his time on the Ferelden Circle he and the other mages probably experimented a lot. I just meant that as a hetero the f/m romance with him felt totally legit, I never got a "vibe" that he wanted to trade Hawke for Sebastian 

sylvanaerie wrote...
Isabela, is the only one comfortable enough in her sexuality to discuss it...unfortunately she discusses it...almost to the exclusion of anything else...to the point it's hard to take her seriously when you are supposed to. Recall Aveline's comment when Isabela comes to you about the relic being found. Paraphrased "Who's the father?".

I think it is a defense mechanism. This way she scares away anyone with feelings for her 

[sylvanaerie]

Renmiri1 wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

I still prefer to believe his sexuality is more a matter of 'finding your pleasures where they may' and sort of living in the moment, because he really can't contemplate a future with the threat of the Templars and his own taint bearing down on him making any future an iffy prospect at best.

Oh definitely. At his time on the Ferelden Circle he and the other mages probably experimented a lot. I just meant that as a hetero the f/m romance with him felt totally legit, I never got a "vibe" that he wanted to trade Hawke for Sebastian 

sylvanaerie wrote...
Isabela, is the only one comfortable enough in her sexuality to discuss it...unfortunately she discusses it...almost to the exclusion of anything else...to the point it's hard to take her seriously when you are supposed to. Recall Aveline's comment when Isabela comes to you about the relic being found. Paraphrased "Who's the father?".

I think it is a defense mechanism. This way she scares away anyone with feelings for her 

LOL OMG that would be 'the match from hell'.  And yea, I think you got Isabela pegged too.  I found her romance remarkably deep for such a shallow seeming character, though on the surface, and initially you may never see past the sexpot image.

[Crimson Moon]

How do you determine someone's gay if they act like everyone else and don't mention anything about their sexual preference? Kaidan was originally bi from the very beginning but was cut due to pressure. If Bioware didn't cave under pressure, could your gaydar determine that he's bi? And since we are going by assumptions, Anders was pretty gay in Dragon Age Awakening, and it sets off my "gaydar" instantly. In Dragon Age 2, it was it was a matter of of course when he's revealed as bi. Fenris seems like the type of person who falls in love with the person rather than with the gender. Conventionally speaking, I thought that if anyone were straight, it would be Merrill. Sebastian is boring as Hell, so I don't mind if he's straight or gay. I don't think it's accurate to determine someone's sexuality by their behaviors. I know some pretty campy straight guys. Gays don't necessary means Wade and Herren. They are a hilarious couple but not all gays are like that.

Modifié par Crimson Moon, 10 septembre 2012 - 01:39 .

[Renmiri1]

Agreed. Their behavior is pretty neutral. Is what I don't get about people ranting about they being "bi". Is not like you can't just headcanon the sex orientation you want. The LIs all behave convincingly in both roles.

Still, I think that campy shouldn't be just hidden in the Blooming Rose. I'd really like to see a world where who you sleep with doesn't make a difference.

Less sexual hangups and prejudice kinda fit with Thedas. This is a world people can die anytime, killed by demons, raiders, darkspawn.. Getting love where you can find it makes a lot of sense in a world like Thedas. And the Chantry has their hands full demonizing mages, so they don't have any time left to demonize people who don't follow the sexual norm.

Modifié par Renmiri1, 10 septembre 2012 - 02:39 .

[SerTabris]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Agreed. Their behavior is pretty neutral. Is what I don't get about people ranting about they being "bi". Is not like you can't just headcanon the sex orientation you want. The LIs all behave convincingly in both roles.

Still, I think that campy shouldn't be just hidden in the Blooming Rose. I'd really like to see a world where who you sleep with doesn't make a difference.

Less sexual hangups and prejudice kinda fit with Thedas. This is a world people can die anytime, killed by demons, raiders, darkspawn.. Getting love where you can find it makes a lot of sense in a world like Thedas. And the Chantry has their hands full demonizing mages, so they don't have any time left to demonize people who don't follow the sexual norm.

Plus, when you're demonizing a group of people who actually have the power to pose a real threat that other's don't, trying to put other groups without special powers into that same category comes off as kind of absurd. (I can picture someone talking to a Chantry priest who proposed this. Can they control my mind? Well, no. Can they shoot fire from their hands? Not really. What can they do to hurt me? Um...)

I don't understand why people think that it's 'detrimental' or 'unfitting' to the character, or that it 'ruins' them. It's not like everyone who is bisexual has to act like Isabela and Zevran. I suppose it's a bit of a convenient coincidence for the plot, but it's not like we don't have several of those.

[Ryzaki]

Yup them being willing to join up with Hawke in the first place is already a convenient coincidence.

[ladyofpayne]

Male LI who don't whine. Really- Fenris like little boy who need a mom. Anders better but not so much, he still too sentimental. 
I'd like to love chevalier or warrior like Loghain- strong, decisive and who can act themselves and care about PC. No one Male LI don't give support and protection their beloved PC. 
And I want more than 3 lovetalks per game.

Modifié par ladyofpayne, 10 septembre 2012 - 06:10 .

[Nymiria]

Was there romance in DA2? I mean I found the romance sadly lacking after the way romance was handled in DAO. One of the reasons I loved DAO, and it is still my all time favorite game, was the romantic content. I feel in an rpg game the more you idenify with your character the better the experience is. I that is why DAO is still played as much as it is after all this time.

DA2 tried for a PG rating thinking it would be able to sell more games. I hope they learned that there is a big audience out there for mature rated games. Gamers do grow up ya know. Remember those of us who started out with Crash and Mario and Spyro want more out of our games now then jumping from level to level collecting wampa fruit.

I'm hoping they remember just how successful DAO was and incorporate romantic options for all players that include adult relationships even if that means having a mature rating.

[Renmiri1]

Nymiria wrote...

Was there romance in DA2? I mean I found the romance sadly lacking after the way romance was handled in DAO.

** snip **

I'm hoping they remember just how successful DAO was and incorporate romantic options for all players that include adult relationships even if that means having a mature rating.

If by "adult" you mean the "click-to-kiss" and "click-to-spend the night" buttons on DAO, I really don't see the need. It was fun and I missed the ability to snog my DA2 LI on demand but I don't really look for videogames as source of "adult" fun. I mean, there are soo many sites with a lot more than those little 3D hugs and kisses.. 

I do like romance on videogames as an emotional connection of my character to another character. For that, PG scenes are just fine. I can imagine the rest 

If you didn't mean that, in what way do you see DAO relationships being more "adult" than DA2 ?

I myself found just the opposite. Going from "licking a lamppost in winter" to having my LI roleplay chained naughty mage being saved and showing grattitude was a lot more "adult" to me. So was the fact that the DA2 romances all had a mind of their own and did stuff without my Hawke being involved in their decisions.

Modifié par Renmiri1, 10 septembre 2012 - 06:04 .

[sylvanaerie]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Nymiria wrote...

Was there romance in DA2? I mean I found the romance sadly lacking after the way romance was handled in DAO.

** snip **

I'm hoping they remember just how successful DAO was and incorporate romantic options for all players that include adult relationships even if that means having a mature rating.

If by "adult" you mean the "click-to-kiss" and "click-to-spend the night" buttons on DAO, I really don't see the need. It was fun and I missed the ability to snog my DA2 LI on demand but I don't really look for videogames as source of "adult" fun. I mean, there are soo many sites with a lot more than those little 3D hugs and kisses.. 

I do like romance on videogames as an emotional connection of my character to another character. For that, PG scenes are just fine. I can imagine the rest 

If you didn't mean that, in what way do you see DAO relationships being more "adult" than DA2 ?

I myself found just the opposite. Going from "licking a lamppost in winter" to having my LI roleplay chained naughty mage being saved and showing grattitude was a lot more "adult" to me. So was the fact that the DA2 romances all had a mind of their own and did stuff without my Hawke being involved in their decisions.

Ewww TMI  I could have done without reading that today...If I have to do that, I'm voting for 'no' to 'mature' content, I'd much rather 'lick lamposts'.

On a more serious note, I don't want porn.  There's lots of sites for porn if I wanted that, I don't need it in Dragon Age.  DA2's scenes were sufficient for me, I don't need to see characters bumping pixelated uglies (or bvds for that matter) to feel a connection to my PC's romantic interest.  While I couldn't snog the comapanions at will, it would have been nice though if there had been an option to smooch them.  A little PDA never hurt anyone, as long as it doesn't show clothes a'flyin' and butts a shakin'...wait, considering Isabela's libido...nm... Hawke doesn't need to show her ass to everyone in Hightown...

Okay, yea, not taking this subject seriously at all.  Just woke up and in a kooky mood.  Peace out!

[ladyofpayne]

In love scenes I want to see LI half naked At lease male LI. Really game have 18+ and they have sex in clothes! 

Modifié par ladyofpayne, 10 septembre 2012 - 06:55 .

[Sealy]

The ability to kiss my LI whenever would be nice. I missed out on that in DA:O cause Zev is apparently un-fond of PDA's. Plus a ticket from Me3 and a "date" would be awesome!

[Renmiri1]

ladyofpayne wrote...

In love scenes I want to see LI half naked At lease male LI. Really game have 18+ and they have sex in clothes! 

mods are your friends 

sylvanaerie wrote...

Ewww TMI  I could have done without reading that today...If I have to do that, I'm voting for 'no' to 'mature' content, I'd much rather 'lick lamposts'.
On a more serious note, I don't want porn.  There's lots of sites for porn if I wanted that, I don't need it in Dragon Age.  DA2's scenes were sufficient for me, I don't need to see characters bumping pixelated uglies (or bvds for that matter) to feel a connection to my PC's romantic interest.  While I couldn't snog the comapanions at will, it would have been nice though if there had been an option to smooch them.  A little PDA never hurt anyone, as long as it doesn't show clothes a'flyin' and butts a shakin'...wait, considering Isabela's libido...nm... Hawke doesn't need to show her ass to everyone in Hightown...
Okay, yea, not taking this subject seriously at all.  Just woke up and in a kooky mood.  Peace out!

Like Isabella says, once they see you with your arse in the air they think they don't have to listen to  you  

Modifié par Renmiri1, 10 septembre 2012 - 08:59 .

[formaristarry]

No, I wasn't. Due to the amount of content we get with them. I'm replaying DAO right now, and I think I had more dialogue in one conversation with a random NPC than I did in the entirety of the romance with any of the LI's in DA2...Maybe I'm exaggerating, but not by much.

For DA3: I want my LI to initiate conversations or make a gesture on their own, like Alistair with the rose or when he asks your opinions about the other companions. I like the LI trying to get to know you as much as you are them, I don't think I was asked a single question in DA2 by any of them unless it was quest related. The option to kiss whenever, and to talk to them at any point, not just during "questioning beliefs", it kills me to click on them and hear the same thing for an entire act.

Another oppurtunity they had in DA2 with a voiced protagonist that I hope to see improved on, and if the dlc like legacy or mota is anything to go by, is to have your pc engage in the banter with the party more often, especially the LI.

Also, and this could be with anyone, not just an LI, is awareness. Awareness of what is going on and what just happened. An example sort of like what I mean is being able to ask Leliana if she knows anything about the place you are currently in. I would love to be able to ask different companions their opinion on a matter and have them say something after the fact based on what I chose to do. The closest thing to this in DA2 was probably when Anders chews you out after siding with the demon in the Fade. Or Alistair after the events of Redcliffe.

Lastly, the friendship/rivalry romance should have completely different scenes and conversations from each other. I know it was likely because the game was rushed that many of them are similar, and if they're going that route with the romances again in DA3 they should make more of an effort to stay true to each type of relationship respectively throughout the game.

[JellyBean28]

To me, the Dragon Age 2 romances had good parts to it, but was not my favorite. I definitely prefer the DAO romances, but that might just be the Alistair fan girl locked inside of me trying to claw her way out. Although it's hard not to love something like this: www.youtube.com/watch
Anyway, before I get distracted...

As many people said before me, I hate how little you talked to them. If I'm trying to romance someone, I obviously like something about them and want to get to know them over the course of more than just like 2 conversations every 3 years. The romances just feel so disconnected this way.

It would also be nice if the LI acknowledged the romance in certain places. I mean, if the love of your life is charging head first into a dragon's lair, you're going to be worried (even if the love of your life is Hawke). But come to think of it, Hawke never really acknowledged it either in those situations. Still, if they both showed it, it would be nice.
I would also like if the romance actually had a bit more of an impact on the story. I loved Alistair and Morrigan's romances since they actually had a slight impact. It wasn't major, but it was still there.

Overall, I hope in DA3 they spend a bit more time with the romances. Bioware has done a better job with romances than most games I've played, but there I would like to see more improvement from DA2.

Modifié par JellyBean28, 11 septembre 2012 - 04:25 .

[CuriousArtemis]

Wait, wait ... did someone mentioned Anders x Sebastian?

Is THAT why Anders was staring at Sebastian's crotch?

[NRieh]

ladyofpayne wrote...

In love scenes I want to see LI half naked At lease male LI. Really game have 18+ and they have sex in clothes!

Probably, they supposed that most of 18+ audience would understand that they did took it off later at some point?.. I'm not sure about yourHawke, though. But myHawke takes clothes off...well...Most of clothes...most of the times...

The ability to kiss my LI whenever would be nice.

Ah, yess... what can be more romantic and heartwarming than hug and kiss with a heavy plated Alistair with same set phrase and same animation?!..

Oooh...that creepy scratching touch of cold heavy metal gloves upon your cheek and hair... and your hands embracing huge and stylish silverite shoulderplates...and your cheen scratched by a chestpiece....mmm...... It's soo-soo good for immersion... 8P
Thanx the Maker - helmets were turned off at this moment...afair...

Same for "going to tent" sequence. I don't need to see a black screen flash to imagine things, really.

As for those who are still upset about lack of game content that respects romance - come on, people! Name a single other game (among BW) that respects ongoing romances more than DA2. Remember ME series. There was NONE. The only "reward" you had - a "final battle scene". And none of romaces were tied to side quests and comments, exept for 1 or two lines you are yet to search. And they say that leviathan has few LI-dependent lines. but that's $$ DLC!

I'm not saying DA2 is perfect at this - it still has something to work on. But compare how LIs and companions treated Shepard (or even Warden, by the way) and than look at Hawke. End of act 2 (Leandra's death) scene - is the way it should be, the way it should have been done for Thessia and couple of other nasty moments. All of them usually have "autotalk" comments on locations and quests. A lot of party banter recognizes both ongoing romance AND fact that Hawke had it with several companions (if Hawke did).

[ColGali]

Romance in DA2 is very shallow and simple. I didn't feel emotionally connected to the LIs. I remember in BG2 there were more than 70 lovetalks to Jaheira and the romance was fascinating (even in a game with 2D graphics). It's a shame that no rpg elements are involved anymore. Just two lovetalks and that's all...

[Amirit]

Nrieh just to be fair: if you romance Fenris - this armor issue will be the same as with Alistair (cold sharp metal on your face). Should you romance Zevran in DAO you would feel as safe as with Anders in DA@ in that area

And kisses - you have to modify game to be able to kiss your companions everywhere. Looks like all those who complain about the feature installed that mod from the start and now complain about own deeds

[NRieh]

Nrieh just to be fair: if you romance Fenris - this armor issue will be the same as with Alistair (cold sharp metal on your face)

Yeah? I thought he's all in hard leathers, not metal...But Anders does look safer indeed...I mean...feathers..they can not hurt you... unless you're an allergyHAwke...

And I'm still glad there was no click2kiss option.

And kisses - you have to modify game to be able to kiss your companions everywhere.

No-no-no. Mods do not count. Or else we can start complaining about not included nude skin options, respecs, autopassing checks and other cheats.

[SafetyShattered]

All I want is for the romances to be more like DAO. It was so annoying in DA2 that if I wanted to romance someone all I had to was look for the heart icon thing. I didn't even need to bother reading the line. And all those icons did in DA2 was make Hawke be flirtatious. I mean romance played out like this: Flirt, flirt, flirt, flirt a couple more times, sex, followed by I LOVE YOU HAWKE!
Really? That isn't how romances work. If I just flirted with someone in real life a couple times then expected them to love me they'd think I was crazy. Yes, I know that romances in videogames aren't the same as ones in real life, obviously, but at least being somewhat realistic would be great. Thank you.

[Crimson Moon]

Shadowfang12 wrote...

All I want is for the romances to be more like DAO. It was so annoying in DA2 that if I wanted to romance someone all I had to was look for the heart icon thing. I didn't even need to bother reading the line. And all those icons did in DA2 was make Hawke be flirtatious. I mean romance played out like this: Flirt, flirt, flirt, flirt a couple more times, sex, followed by I LOVE YOU HAWKE!
Really? That isn't how romances work. If I just flirted with someone in real life a couple times then expected them to love me they'd think I was crazy. Yes, I know that romances in videogames aren't the same as ones in real life, obviously, but at least being somewhat realistic would be great. Thank you.

I kind of agree with this. Romance should be give and take. PC should be able to argue with his/her LI but still be able to romance them. Alistair whines so much in DAO while Morrigan was all evulz, but you don't necessarily have to agree with them in order to romance them. I don't mind the heart icon, but they should give us more options when it comes to romance.

[Face of Evil]

You only had to flirt with your love interest once in DAO to initiate a romance. I can tell you exactly what line I used to begin a relationship with Leliana.

You don't have to agree with party members in DA2 to romance them either. You can deny Merrill the aurin'holm and tell her that blood magic is evil at every opportunity, and she'll still fall in love with you.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 11 septembre 2012 - 09:12 .

[Renmiri1]

Amirit wrote...

And kisses - you have to modify game to be able to kiss your companions everywhere. Looks like all those who complain about the feature installed that mod from the start and now complain about own deeds

 Kisss anywhere mod for DA2 ? Do tell!!!

 ahem.. I mean.. for scientific reeasons obviously 

[sylvanaerie]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Amirit wrote...

And kisses - you have to modify game to be able to kiss your companions everywhere. Looks like all those who complain about the feature installed that mod from the start and now complain about own deeds

 Kisss anywhere mod for DA2 ? Do tell!!!

 ahem.. I mean.. for scientific reeasons obviously 

Of course...!  Kisses would have been nice.  I liked being able to smooch Alistair anywhere I wanted and the others in the group would have some cute comments.

Lovers should have the option of PDA within society's standards.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 11 septembre 2012 - 11:20 .