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[SauliusL]

wright1978 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

If The reapers die in destroy then the leviathans may rise back up and subjugate us under their powerful will through indoctrination and have all races serve them



In Control the leviathans can still take away control of the reapers from you and probably even use the reapers against you

More hope for refuse that if the leviathans could survive from the first cycle then maybe some of us can to

Exactly what i feared. Trying to push synthesis. They are just doing it by the back door rather than the fron this time.

Speculations are at peak. Everyone sees what they want to see.
Personally I did not see ANY pushing on synthesis, neither discouraging of destroy.

[silentassassin264]

wright1978 wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

NoUserNameHere wrote...

Control is still as sketchy as usual... you outnumber the Leviathans 3000 to one, so they can flay all the Reapers they want, you're still God of the force that's unbeatable through conventional means.

Synthesis is being pushed more than ever, it is known.

Destroy is made to look even worse through more contrived plot gymnastics.

Destroy was always bad.  The only way you could pretend it wasn't was if you insisted the catalyst was lying even though it had no reason to be lying.

Destroy was great and a major factor of what made it great was the that it left galactic society free to develop as it wished. Now they've thrown another obstacle. Now the galaxy needs to gather its wounded armies and whilst repairing relays build a war armada to stave off the threat of another race of godlike interfering leviathons.

The catalyst said that the Reapers were needed to stave off the chaos.  If you chose destroy you were just giving him the finger saying that you didn't need to worry about his problem and you could deal with everything all on your own.  Obviously you couldn't.  IF you couldn't see that in the first place, then it was your fault.

[Applepie_Svk]

Nyoka wrote...

It's just depressing. We're just living in borrowed time, massive forces you can't do anything against are about to butcher you and everything you love... except if you accept a radical change to the very nature of your existence because you lowly races [fans and consumers] are not good enough to live alongside the really important people (reapers and leviathans) [BioWare and EA]

No thanks. I just grab the ball and go home. Clearly this is not our galaxy anymore, no reason to stay (ie, to play).

Retcon 

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 28 août 2012 - 07:56 .

[wright1978]

silentassassin264 wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

NoUserNameHere wrote...

Control is still as sketchy as usual... you outnumber the Leviathans 3000 to one, so they can flay all the Reapers they want, you're still God of the force that's unbeatable through conventional means.

Synthesis is being pushed more than ever, it is known.

Destroy is made to look even worse through more contrived plot gymnastics.

Destroy was always bad.  The only way you could pretend it wasn't was if you insisted the catalyst was lying even though it had no reason to be lying.

Destroy was great and a major factor of what made it great was the that it left galactic society free to develop as it wished. Now they've thrown another obstacle. Now the galaxy needs to gather its wounded armies and whilst repairing relays build a war armada to stave off the threat of another race of godlike interfering leviathons.

The catalyst said that the Reapers were needed to stave off the chaos.  If you chose destroy you were just giving him the finger saying that you didn't need to worry about his problem and you could deal with everything all on your own.  Obviously you couldn't.  IF you couldn't see that in the first place, then it was your fault.

No, choosing destroy is rejecting him and his problem and instead choosing freedom, which is a perfectly reasonable choice.

[Lord Mu Harlock]

Well considering the leviathans require the artifacts to use their form of indoctrination, I doubt that they will be much of threat considering there were no signs of heavy industry or even incredibly huge chairs for them to use to ride into space. It'll be a couple of centuries before they are too big a threat.

So destroy is still the best option, but there is a quicker way for them to dominate the galaxy again.

If you are a synthesis fan, you are literally handing the leviathans the keys to being in charge of the galaxy again. Now, they no long require the artifacts, and they already had the ability to read minds. They have seen how petty and below you are from the apex race.

Thus, they will dominate the galaxy in no time from synthesis. Leviathans do not care about petty thoughts of small mushy things or the thoughts of the the nations that once created the reapers. Nope, the leviathans now get their empire back through synthesis.

So slavery=synthesis. Destroy Forever!

[KBomb]

Nyoka wrote...

My new headcanon: the whole population of the galaxy is evacuated, all the fleets and civilian ships head towards the citadel, Shepard opens the Citadel relay, all the fleets are instantly teleported into dark space. They turn on their FTL drives and head for another galaxy, and leave this one for reapers and leviathans and space kids to do whatever the hell they want with it. Fuçk it.

Can my Shepard come along? This seems to be the only way to salvage her dignity.

[Someone With Mass]

I have to ask, what's even the point in giving the player a choice at the ending if Bioware is just going to figuratively masturbate all over the most pretentious and asinine one? To continue the story about some element that they themselves are systematically destroying through utterly unnecessary exposition?

Yeah, please don't. You're just proving that the whole trilogy would have been better off if the Reaper origin hadn't been explained at all.

[Reorte]

Is there anything that says that they still won't be able to overpower everyone in Synthesis?

[Ithurael]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I have to ask, what's even the point in giving the player a choice at the ending if Bioware is just going to figuratively masturbate all over the most pretentious and asinine one? To continue the story about some element that they themselves are systematically destroying through utterly unnecessary exposition?

Yeah, please don't. You're just proving that the whole trilogy would have been better off if the Reaper origin hadn't been explained at all.

Well said.

I personally think we should have talked with Leviathan at the end of ME3 Then before the reapers were killed (or destroyed) It simply leaves (never implying it will be back, but leaving it open to speculation)

"did you make the reapers"

"Yes, they are part of us"

"Why"

"It is what we are. We wish to percieve life and guide it's evolution. The reapers were our most successful attempt"

-Reapers destroyed

"We will be watcing"

[LiarasShield]

Well each choice is now harder because now in destroy leviathans will eventually take over

And we've seen they can take control of beings from a far or control the reapers forces and synthesis well I don't even know if synthesis will affect the leviathans are not but now each choice is much harder now because they may become the apex again if the reapers are gone

[Ithurael]

LiarasShield wrote...

Well each choice is now harder because now in destroy leviathans will eventually take over

And we've seen they can take control of beings from a far or control the reapers forces and synthesis well I don't even know if synthesis will affect the leviathans are not but now each choice is much harder now because they may become the apex again if the reapers are gone

No they won't

They are low in numbers already. I have no doubt that we will face them again when their numbers have replenished.

That is way far away though

[AchesOfDoom]

Synthesis is by far the worst choice.Why? Because I don't care about the geth or EDI being destroyed...I care about the future of the galaxy....being partly synthetic and organic it's not so coo...even if there would be peace....I can't really imagine that if you choose destroy the Leviathans would rise up....They wanted just to protect their kind...not to destroy them....as you heard...they made a mistake...and they were nearly exterminated.

[Ryoten]

I will always shoot the tube.

[LiarasShield]

Ithurael wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Well each choice is now harder because now in destroy leviathans will eventually take over

And we've seen they can take control of beings from a far or control the reapers forces and synthesis well I don't even know if synthesis will affect the leviathans are not but now each choice is much harder now because they may become the apex again if the reapers are gone

No they won't

They are low in numbers already. I have no doubt that we will face them again when their numbers have replenished.

That is way far away though

Still doesn't make the choices any better espically if they equal or almost equal the reapers in power once they regain their numbers we will be in for a world of hurt and yeah I think the leviathans are organic and not synthetic so crucible beam from destroy probably will have no affect on them

[LiarasShield]

AchesOfDoom wrote...

Synthesis is by far the worst choice.Why? Because I don't care about the geth or EDI being destroyed...I care about the future of the galaxy....being partly synthetic and organic it's not so coo...even if there would be peace....I can't really imagine that if you choose destroy the Leviathans would rise up....They wanted just to protect their kind...not to destroy them....as you heard...they made a mistake...and they were nearly exterminated.

Still they will enslave us all and become the apex race again if they gain the opportunity they even mentioned that in the dlc

[Phoenix_Fyre]

I'm still hitting the big red destroy button. Don't have the new dlc yet....but I know dead Reapers are a plus in my book

[AchesOfDoom]

Maybe...maybe the will try to enslave us again...but they are not so tough without they magical 'crystals'..aren't they?

[LiarasShield]

Phoenix_Fyre wrote...

I'm still hitting the big red destroy button. Don't have the new dlc yet....but I know dead Reapers are a plus in my book

But then the leviathans will have a chance to regain in numbers and eventually take over the galaxy again I guess this could setup for me4

[Solaxe]

LiarasShield wrote...

Well each choice is now harder because now in destroy leviathans will eventually take over

I don't see Leviathans dominating the Galaxy in any of the endings.

[Someone With Mass]

Here's my solution to the potential Leviathan problem: Drop a neutron bomb on them. If they're organic or at least part organic, those components will melt off like an ice cube in Sahara.

[lillitheris]

LiarasShield wrote...

But then the leviathans will have a chance to regain in numbers and eventually take over the galaxy again I guess this could setup for me4

Don’t worry about it, it’s taken care of.

I sent a team of engineers to blow up their planet immediately after liftoff, and they confirmed destruction 4 days later with no departing energy signatures.

[LiarasShield]

Solaxe wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Well each choice is now harder because now in destroy leviathans will eventually take over

I don't see Leviathans dominating the Galaxy in any of the endings.

I can see it in destroy with the main threat of the reapers out of the way they won't have to hide themselves from the galaxy anymore and may focus on continueing to reproduce while enslaving or taking over the lesser races they see inferior they didn't have to add on to the endings they have already made great changes to destroy and control without even having to alter them because of this dlc

Modifié par LiarasShield, 28 août 2012 - 08:25 .

[Xamufam]

LiarasShield wrote...

SirLugash wrote...

I have a quick and easy fix for this problem:
Delete the Leviathan DLC and there will be no Leviathan threatening you ^^

But they are now apart of the lore now and they created the catalyst lol

If they were part of the lore they should have been in the disc, you don't sell an incomplete game at full price
sidestorys i can understand but not things that are part of the main lore

[Hrothdane]

Even though I hate control, I always thought the assumption that Shepard is guaranteed to become some kind of Starbrat 2.0 was presumptious. I feel no different about the assumption that the Leviathans are guaranteed to take over the galaxy in a non-synthesis ending.

I'm still shooting the tube.

[Ieldra]

I don't think Leviathan has any influence on the balance of the endings. The strength of the Leviathan species has been their secrecy ever since they were almost eradicated by the Reapers. The post-ME3 galaxy will have to deal with them, but the veil of secrecy is gone.