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[darthnick427]

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

krukow wrote...

Reapers killed? Check.

If the Leviathans get out of hand, Shep will kill them too.

CANON

Good answer!

*Bro Fist*

[dsl08002]

leviathan will be killed by harbinger

[Grub Killer8016]

I thought Leviathan would expand the Reaper story, not degrade it (well, from what I've heard).

[EnvyTB075]

DarkSeraphym wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...

Well their planet was wiped out by the reapers millions of years ago so I don't think that will be a problem

That is precisely why it would be more helpful to send the entire Reaper armada after them .

"Follow war with more war, thats a great idea"

[Someone With Mass]

The funniest thing is that if Synthesis is inevitable (just for the sake of argument, I'm not saying that it is) then there's no point in picking that ending, since it'll happen regardless of what you do.

I like to think that the natural way will be more controlled too.

[Ymladdych]

LiarasShield wrote...
Yeah but if the next mass effect is 50 thousand years away from now and the leviathans are now back in full strength shepard won't be able to stop them because he or she would've died of old age lol

Doesn't Javik tell Shepard that the Prothean empire's greatest strength turned into their greatest weakness when the Reapers attacked?

Wasn't that strength/weakness...a culturally homogenized population? 

And what does Synthesis do to bring peace again?  Oh, that's right...it contrives cooperation via forced integration and homogenization.  An entire galactic community based on a singular Reaper framework with centralized weaknesses shared across the population.
Nothing could *possibly* go wrong with that!  Right?  Right?!   

[JBPBRC]

In my headcanon Destroy works perfectly. Its a very nice canon. Its full of Death Stars and Star Destroyers and WH40k Space Marines and a giant galaxy sized mech named Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. Reapers never stood a chance.

[BDelacroix]

zeypher wrote...

Im still destroying. Infact i wish there was a option to blow the entire galaxy up.

Uninstall EC and shoot the tube?

[The Twilight God]

LiarasShield wrote...

If The reapers die in destroy then the leviathans may rise back up and subjugate us under their powerful will through indoctrination and have all races serve them



In Control the leviathans can still take away control of the reapers from you and probably even use the reapers against you

More hope for refuse that if the leviathans could survive from the first cycle then maybe some of us can to

It doesn't matter. I'd rather be a Leviathan thrall than a huskified Reaper thrall. Things didn't sound so bad under their rule. The fact that the races could even develop synthetics tells me they weren't smilling idiots and still maintained their own identity. Could be worst. CVould have ended up under the Protheans heel and had our culture striped away and be forced into servitude.

Leviathans? They'll probably be the next villains.

[Eterna]

Synthesis wasn't forced down your throat by the dlc, stop being overdramatic babies.

[The Twilight God]

BDelacroix wrote...

zeypher wrote...

Im still destroying. Infact i wish there was a option to blow the entire galaxy up.

Uninstall EC and shoot the tube?

No, just shoot the tubes with low EMS.

[Kenshen]

If the Leviathans wanted to rise back up to their former glory then they would have done so after any of the countless cycles had ended. Is 50,000 years give or take not a long enough period of time to get their numbers back up? If it isn't then I don't see them being much of a threat in the future.

Besides I didn't get the feeling total control was their thing anyways. Yeah they did like to be worshiped but they also helped and attempted to protect those that saw them as gods. It did kinda come off as all the thralls were nothing more than caveman level intelligence however if they were developing AI they were more than that yet the Leviathans let them do it. I have no trouble sticking to destroy since that is the only way to kill the reapers.

[Tankcommander]

Control is even better since we can assume Shepard Reaper and the gang can take out the Leviathans...who failed to stop the Catalyst in the first place. Destroy? Seems a lot more risky....and it was a rough choice anyway with the Geth and EDI.

[LilLino]

aryon69 wrote...

If the Leviathans wanted to rise back up to their former glory then they would have done so after any of the countless cycles had ended. Is 50,000 years give or take not a long enough period of time to get their numbers back up? If it isn't then I don't see them being much of a threat in the future.

Besides I didn't get the feeling total control was their thing anyways. Yeah they did like to be worshiped but they also helped and attempted to protect those that saw them as gods. It did kinda come off as all the thralls were nothing more than caveman level intelligence however if they were developing AI they were more than that yet the Leviathans let them do it. I have no trouble sticking to destroy since that is the only way to kill the reapers.

Couldn't agree more. Leviathans seem like arrogant Jerks who forced everyone into worshipping them but weren't evil. If you're a person to pick control ending you're in no position to argue that point as you are doing the same thing they did in their times.

I still don't see how that affects my view on destroy ending. Even if you ASSUME they are super-evil ( again, they didn't seem that way, they let species evolve to a level of creating AIs and then wanted to stop the war, if anything that seems like an act of good will) there's not enough of them and we know their location and some of their tricks now.

Modifié par LilLino, 29 août 2012 - 01:16 .

[SkullStrife]

If you think about it... the circular logic is now double!!!!!!!
Leviathan controlled the entire population of organics in the galaxy trough "good" indoctrination... those servants/organics (who obtained upgrades due to their servitude) built machines...
Leviathans studied those machines and came to the conclusion that machines were going to rebel against all the organics and destroy them... they didin´t want to face such danger... so they created a powerful AI with a LOT of resources in order to end the conflict.... it totally backfired, this AI rebelled against the Leviathans, killed them, processed them into reapers and started to kill everyone else, every 50k years in order to avoid a machine rebellion (which NEVER existed it only was seen by inevitable by the leviathans and also the AI)...... GENIUS! (sarcasm)

"Yo dawg I wanted to avoid the possible synthetic rebellion to protect organics, so I created a super synthetic that rebelled against me, killed me and transformed me into a big synthetic of destruction, that kills every organic I wanted to protect every 50k years, under the command of this synthetic, in order to protect organics from synthetics that could rebel every cycle...."

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So the machine rebellion NEVER HAPPENED in the first cycle (EXCEPT FOR THE CATALYST OF COURSE), the Leviathan was just scared of losing his domination and the AI just thought that Reapers were a good solution... thousands of civilizations payed for this... and now Shepard has to help the Leviathan (slaver of civilizations aka the worst organic ever) and the Catalyst (genocist/worst synthetic ever)!

[LilLino]

SkullStrife wrote...


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So the machine rebellion NEVER HAPPENED in the first cycle (EXCEPT FOR THE CATALYST OF COURSE), the Leviathan was just scared of losing his domination and the AI just thought that Reapers were a good solution... thousands of civilizations payed for this... and now Shepard has to help the Leviathan (slaver of civilizations aka the worst organic ever) and the Catalyst (genocist/worst synthetic ever)!

Worshipping and slavery is not the same if no mind control is involved. Leviathans didn't seem to make people mindless if these people managed to create something as advanced as AI.

They were literal Gods, a living religion, nothing more.

[SkullStrife]

well then they were parasited... making everyone attend their needs... if you consider someone a god and worship him you are less than him... it´s like slavery

[SkullStrife]

they wanted to protect the lesser species (thralls he calls them) because they won´t be receving future tributes if they are dead...

[OH-UP-THIS!]

zeypher wrote...

Im still destroying. Infact i wish there was a option to blow the entire galaxy up.

There is.............just low enough EMS, and destroy does the rest.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

NoUserNameHere wrote...

zeypher wrote...

Im still destroying. Infact i wish there was a option to blow the entire galaxy up.

Maybe Omega/Illium/Wherevevr DLC will allow us to add some Halo-style 'kill 'em all' functionality to the Crucible? It'd be doing the universe a favor, at this point.

I certainly hope NOT, the LAST thing this series needs is Microshaft interference!!!

[OnelShot]

Will kill them in ME4 if need be.

[RiouHotaru]

The fact they're making a "Leviathan Codex" and the fact Shepard lives in Destroy doesn't make it a worse option. At least you KNOW they exist.

[LiarasShield]

RiouHotaru wrote...

The fact they're making a "Leviathan Codex" and the fact Shepard lives in Destroy doesn't make it a worse option. At least you KNOW they exist.

Yes but now they can thrive again and turn us into thralls under their control it may be different then reaper indoctrination somewhat but it still isn't much better and them enslaving the entire galaxy or making that leap when all their forces are back I can see it happening

[AsheraII]

We simply don't know whether the Leviathans will "assume direct control". Leviathan was pretty baffled by the possibility of ending the Cycle. The entire conversation revolved around making Leviathan believe that the Cycle could be broken, and in the end, he agreed that things were definitely different now. Shepard actually changed something, and forced Leviathan to see things from a different perspective. This doesn't just mean that Leviathan looks at things from a different perspective, but also that he is now capable of revaluating both his goals and motivations, and those two are connected by his methods, which would change as well. Where he used to try to travel from New York to LA and picked a route to accomplish that, he now finds himself on his way from Paris to London. And using a roadmap for the USA won't help accomplishing the trip from his motivation towards his goal..

Modifié par AsheraII, 29 août 2012 - 12:03 .

[LiarasShield]

Destroy puts us in very dark place cause they will most likely regain the numbers by the nexst cycle and it will be leviathan domination for lunch lol