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[LilLino]

LiarasShield wrote...

Destroy puts us in very dark place cause they will most likely regain the numbers by the nexst cycle and it will be leviathan domination for lunch lol

'Lulz I don't like destroy so I'm gonna completely speculate that destroy is bad lulz'.

Stop it, Leviathans are mostly dead and they didn't seem to be interested in war in the first place. They achieved their domination mainly because they found species on much lower level of technology, species that couldn't fight off. Despite that their didn't kill them, but let them flurish and protected them in exchange for worship.

Now our numbers are superior and they don't outtech us as much as they'd like to. Plus, we know their precise location and their tricks now.
If necessary, we'll whipe them out.

Destroy lets us actually choose the course of the future. Epilogue clearly shows that we'll rebuild and be fine. Everything else is pure speculation.

Modifié par LilLino, 29 août 2012 - 12:20 .

[Dmthoth]

Reapers are crazy psychopethic monster AI. And Leviathans are organics.. So at least, leviathans are negotiable.

[Revanchist01]

The Leviathans had a whole cycle to take over before the reapers came, i think they would have done something by then if they were really bent on inter-galactic domination.

[LiarasShield]

LilLino wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Destroy puts us in very dark place cause they will most likely regain the numbers by the nexst cycle and it will be leviathan domination for lunch lol

'Lulz I don't like destroy so I'm gonna completely speculate that destroy is bad lulz'.

Stop it, Leviathans are mostly dead and they didn't seem to be interested in war in the first place. They achieved their domination mainly because they found species on much lower level of technology, species that couldn't fight off. Despite that their didn't kill them, but let them flurish and protected them in exchange for worship.

Now our numbers are superior and they don't outtech us as much as they'd like to. Plus, we know their precise location and their tricks now.
If necessary, we'll whipe them out.

Destroy lets us actually choose the course of the future. Epilogue clearly shows that we'll rebuild and be fine. Everything else is pure speculation.

Actually no we don't the leviathans are always on the move and they are around every dark corner in the galaxy their is more then the 3 of them we see on the waterworld

Also yes they will become a threat they wanted to make the reapers their slaves and eventually take control of the other races once the reapers are ought of the way or have you not even played the dlc?

[shepskisaac]

How is Control worse now lol? It's the best now since you have an army to deal with Leviathans

[LiarasShield]

IsaacShep wrote...

How is Control worse now lol? It's the best now since you have an army to deal with Leviathans

Not exactly because the leviathans can control some of the reaper forces and even take down reaper soverign class destroyers

[ShepComing4U]

LiarasShield wrote...

LilLino wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Destroy puts us in very dark place cause they will most likely regain the numbers by the nexst cycle and it will be leviathan domination for lunch lol

'Lulz I don't like destroy so I'm gonna completely speculate that destroy is bad lulz'.

Stop it, Leviathans are mostly dead and they didn't seem to be interested in war in the first place. They achieved their domination mainly because they found species on much lower level of technology, species that couldn't fight off. Despite that their didn't kill them, but let them flurish and protected them in exchange for worship.

Now our numbers are superior and they don't outtech us as much as they'd like to. Plus, we know their precise location and their tricks now.
If necessary, we'll whipe them out.

Destroy lets us actually choose the course of the future. Epilogue clearly shows that we'll rebuild and be fine. Everything else is pure speculation.

Actually no we don't the leviathans are always on the move and they are around every dark corner in the galaxy their is more then the 3 of them we see on the waterworld

Also yes they will become a threat they wanted to make the reapers their slaves and eventually take control of the other races once the reapers are ought of the way or have you not even played the dlc?

You completely ignored what he said.

[N7 Shadow Liara]

Who cares, we'll probably never know what will happen later unless bioware make synthesis as canon ending! so why bother with that? Just take your favorite ending and stop ask yourselves which is the best option, because obviously there is not best option! just speculations!

[Shermos]

The Leviathan are not capable of defeating the Reapers alone. That should be obvious.

IsaacShep wrote...

How is Control worse now lol? It's the best now since you have an army to deal with Leviathans

Listen to this guy. Destroy is clearly not an option. Forgetting about the issues synthetics can pose, it allows the Leviathan to retake control of the galaxy without much contest.

With control, AI-Shep can use the Reapers to keep the Leviathan in check and force some kind of peace agreement or, if necessary, scorch their world. And again with synthesis, the Reapers still exist should the Leviathan still have dreams of galactic conquest.

The Leviathan obviously make synthesis look like a better choice but my canon Shepard will still choose control because I still can't justify synthesis ethically.

Modifié par Shermos, 29 août 2012 - 12:34 .

[shepskisaac]

LiarasShield wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

How is Control worse now lol? It's the best now since you have an army to deal with Leviathans

Not exactly because the leviathans can control some of the reaper forces and even take down reaper soverign class destroyers

But the army of Reapers is still stonger then they are. Leviathans already lost, even with all their abilities, the Catalyst managed to harvest them and kill almost all of the rest. And they've been hiding for millenias. They're weaker than an army of Reapers.

[LiarasShield]

ShepComing4U wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

LilLino wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Destroy puts us in very dark place cause they will most likely regain the numbers by the nexst cycle and it will be leviathan domination for lunch lol

'Lulz I don't like destroy so I'm gonna completely speculate that destroy is bad lulz'.

Stop it, Leviathans are mostly dead and they didn't seem to be interested in war in the first place. They achieved their domination mainly because they found species on much lower level of technology, species that couldn't fight off. Despite that their didn't kill them, but let them flurish and protected them in exchange for worship.

Now our numbers are superior and they don't outtech us as much as they'd like to. Plus, we know their precise location and their tricks now.
If necessary, we'll whipe them out.

Destroy lets us actually choose the course of the future. Epilogue clearly shows that we'll rebuild and be fine. Everything else is pure speculation.

Actually no we don't the leviathans are always on the move and they are around every dark corner in the galaxy their is more then the 3 of them we see on the waterworld

Also yes they will become a threat they wanted to make the reapers their slaves and eventually take control of the other races once the reapers are ought of the way or have you not even played the dlc?

You completely ignored what he said.

Actually no I didn't he only thinks 3 leviathans remain that isn't the case we don't know the exact number that remains because they're in every dark corner of the galaxy and I've actually played the dlc and went through the whole conversation under the ocean with them

They want to make the reapers their slaves they want to impose their rule on us again the reapers are the only things holding them back from trying to do so

And 50 thousand years gives them more then enough time to regain their numbers and unlike the reapers they wont have to harvest anybody

Even though I hate control it makes sense for shepard to want use the reaper army to keep the leviathans in check but the leviathans can use domination to take over some of the reaper forces and can even take down reaper soverign class ships with their power

Even in control they shouldn't be taken lightly but destroy leaves them more then enough time to regain their forces and then focus all their efforts on becoming the apex race again

Modifié par LiarasShield, 29 août 2012 - 12:33 .

[LilLino]

LiarasShield wrote...


Actually no I didn't he only thinks 3 leviathans remain that isn't the case we don't know the exact number that remains because they're in every dark corner of the galaxy and I've actually played the dlc and went through the whole conversation under the ocean with them

They want to make the reapers their slaves they want to impose their rule on us again the reapers are the only things holding them back from trying to do so

And 50 thousand years gives them more then enough time to regain their numbers and unlike the reapers they wont have to harvest anybody

Even though I hate control it makes sense for shepard to want use the reaper army to keep the leviathans in check but the leviathans can use domination to take over some of the reaper forces and can even take down reaper soverign class ships with their power

Even in control they shouldn't be taken lightly but destroy leaves them more then enough time to regain their forces and then focus all their efforts on becoming the apex race again

You fail to notice we are not mindless idiots and during this time we actually may develop ways to defend ourselves from their influence. A shield developed but lonely human scientist managed to protect us from their arifacts influence. We apply that to any ship and we're ready to send them straight to hell. We are aware of their tech and existence. They want to fight? We'll fight back.

Stop speculating like a madman. You keep speculating bad stuff we're gonna speculate right back with good stuff.
It's all irrelelevant.

[zeypher]

LilLino wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...


Actually no I didn't he only thinks 3 leviathans remain that isn't the case we don't know the exact number that remains because they're in every dark corner of the galaxy and I've actually played the dlc and went through the whole conversation under the ocean with them

They want to make the reapers their slaves they want to impose their rule on us again the reapers are the only things holding them back from trying to do so

And 50 thousand years gives them more then enough time to regain their numbers and unlike the reapers they wont have to harvest anybody

Even though I hate control it makes sense for shepard to want use the reaper army to keep the leviathans in check but the leviathans can use domination to take over some of the reaper forces and can even take down reaper soverign class ships with their power

Even in control they shouldn't be taken lightly but destroy leaves them more then enough time to regain their forces and then focus all their efforts on becoming the apex race again

You fail to notice we are not mindless idiots and during this time we actually may develop ways to defend ourselves from their influence. A shield developed but lonely human scientist managed to protect us from their arifacts influence. We apply that to any ship and we're ready to send them straight to hell. We are aware of their tech and existence. They want to fight? We'll fight back.

Stop speculating like a madman. You keep speculating bad stuff we're gonna speculate right back with good stuff.
It's all irrelelevant.

This!!

[LiarasShield]

LilLino wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...


Actually no I didn't he only thinks 3 leviathans remain that isn't the case we don't know the exact number that remains because they're in every dark corner of the galaxy and I've actually played the dlc and went through the whole conversation under the ocean with them

They want to make the reapers their slaves they want to impose their rule on us again the reapers are the only things holding them back from trying to do so

And 50 thousand years gives them more then enough time to regain their numbers and unlike the reapers they wont have to harvest anybody

Even though I hate control it makes sense for shepard to want use the reaper army to keep the leviathans in check but the leviathans can use domination to take over some of the reaper forces and can even take down reaper soverign class ships with their power

Even in control they shouldn't be taken lightly but destroy leaves them more then enough time to regain their forces and then focus all their efforts on becoming the apex race again

You fail to notice we are not mindless idiots and during this time we actually may develop ways to defend ourselves from their influence. A shield developed but lonely human scientist managed to protect us from their arifacts influence. We apply that to any ship and we're ready to send them straight to hell. We are aware of their tech and existence. They want to fight? We'll fight back.

Stop speculating like a madman. You keep speculating bad stuff we're gonna speculate right back with good stuff.
It's all irrelelevant.

Even though you say that we may find new ways to beat them so could they find new ways they defeat us they found a way to survive the first cycle however long ago a billion something years or more into our cycle not only that but their ability with their minds

They may adapt far  more quicker then we ever could to defeat them you're really not proving much of a argueing point

Modifié par LiarasShield, 29 août 2012 - 12:44 .

[Kaidan Fan]

This DLC did nothing to change my feeling about destroying the reapers. I still blow them up.

I won't argue over which choice is best because it is subjective and each persons opinion is their own. Destroy just happens to be mine.

[LiarasShield]

You wanna know why we won't be able to to outright defeat the leviathans because they resisted the reapers even though they didn't win they were able to find a way to survive

But if we refuse we will all die and not survive into the next cycle that is how I know that defeating the leviathans is no where near as simple as you hope it to be


Maybe because in mass effect I'm a realist not a Idealist good or bad I intend to know and to see whats coming

[Shermos]

I think we can all agree on at least one thing: We know what ME4 is probably going to be about now .

[ShepComing4U]

LiarasShield wrote...

LilLino wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...


Actually no I didn't he only thinks 3 leviathans remain that isn't the case we don't know the exact number that remains because they're in every dark corner of the galaxy and I've actually played the dlc and went through the whole conversation under the ocean with them

They want to make the reapers their slaves they want to impose their rule on us again the reapers are the only things holding them back from trying to do so

And 50 thousand years gives them more then enough time to regain their numbers and unlike the reapers they wont have to harvest anybody

Even though I hate control it makes sense for shepard to want use the reaper army to keep the leviathans in check but the leviathans can use domination to take over some of the reaper forces and can even take down reaper soverign class ships with their power

Even in control they shouldn't be taken lightly but destroy leaves them more then enough time to regain their forces and then focus all their efforts on becoming the apex race again

You fail to notice we are not mindless idiots and during this time we actually may develop ways to defend ourselves from their influence. A shield developed but lonely human scientist managed to protect us from their arifacts influence. We apply that to any ship and we're ready to send them straight to hell. We are aware of their tech and existence. They want to fight? We'll fight back.

Stop speculating like a madman. You keep speculating bad stuff we're gonna speculate right back with good stuff.
It's all irrelelevant.

Even though you say that we may find new ways to beat them so could they find new ways they defeat us they found a way to survive the first cycle however long ago a billion something years or more into our cycle not only that but their ability with their minds

They may adapt far  more quicker then we ever could to defeat them you're really not proving much of a argueing point

Actually, you're not proving much of an arguing point. You keep spewing all this speculation out just to make destroy seem bad, and to counter more speculation. The facts outweigh your speculation. We can resist their indoctrination with the shield mentioned by lilno, something their "Thralls" never had a chance to. They need time to build their numbers back up, and by the time they have a fighting force, we'll have even more humans, quarians, turians, krogans, etc. then we had at the time. The galaxy will unite to fight off anything that threatens what they fought so hard, and loss so much to keep. THEIRSELVES. 

[EricHVela]

I say: Destroy.

When we win against the Reapers, there's only a small number of Leviathan with which to contend if they're still thinking of subjugating the "lesser" races.

I rather like the origins of the Catalyst and Reapers now. It might be because it shows that the Catalyst is insane, a mistake. (That's something I've suggested with each version of my speculations of its origins.)

EDIT: Also, it possibly suggests that the Leviathan that you encounter is young (for them) and that the older ones that were its parents are dead.

Modifié par ReggarBlane, 29 août 2012 - 01:06 .

[Mordak55]

SauliusL wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

If The reapers die in destroy then the leviathans may rise back up and subjugate us under their powerful will through indoctrination and have all races serve them



In Control the leviathans can still take away control of the reapers from you and probably even use the reapers against you

More hope for refuse that if the leviathans could survive from the first cycle then maybe some of us can to

Exactly what i feared. Trying to push synthesis. They are just doing it by the back door rather than the fron this time.

Speculations are at peak. Everyone sees what they want to see.
Personally I did not see ANY pushing on synthesis, neither discouraging of destroy.

Much as I dislike the endings even with the EC DLC, I dont think that this DLC effects the ending (not played the ending with the new DLC installed yet). I didn't get a sense that BW were pushing Synthesis or Discouraging destroy using this DLC, but they do prefer Synthesis looking at the game in general and EC DLC.

Sad part is that I enjoyed Leviathan, but in the contect of adding EMS, which is all it really did, its a bit pointless.

[filetemo]

I will always choose destroy. We'll take our chances. The future is not written yet.

[ShepComing4U]

LiarasShield wrote...

You wanna know why we won't be able to to outright defeat the leviathans because they resisted the reapers even though they didn't win they were able to find a way to survive

But if we refuse we will all die and not survive into the next cycle that is how I know that defeating the leviathans is no where near as simple as you hope it to be


Maybe because in mass effect I'm a realist not a Idealist good or bad I intend to know and to see whats coming

Thats your logic? Seriously? So this is how it works out for you, almost like math.

United galaxy+ refuse= everybody dies
Leviathans+ Catalyst= a few leviathans survive
Leviathans>United Galaxy

You do realize the refuse choice is to simply say: "We could not defeat the reapers, and we ended up getting harvested." That doesnt mean noone survived. Even then, thats not the point. The Leviathans have never come out of "hiding", so they survived. We never had a chance to "Just go in hiding and survive past the cycle." Thats a mute point, and a foolish one.

[LiarasShield]

ShepComing4U wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

You wanna know why we won't be able to to outright defeat the leviathans because they resisted the reapers even though they didn't win they were able to find a way to survive

But if we refuse we will all die and not survive into the next cycle that is how I know that defeating the leviathans is no where near as simple as you hope it to be


Maybe because in mass effect I'm a realist not a Idealist good or bad I intend to know and to see whats coming

Thats your logic? Seriously? So this is how it works out for you, almost like math.

United galaxy+ refuse= everybody dies
Leviathans+ Catalyst= a few leviathans survive
Leviathans>United Galaxy

You do realize the refuse choice is to simply say: "We could not defeat the reapers, and we ended up getting harvested." That doesnt mean noone survived. Even then, thats not the point. The Leviathans have never come out of "hiding", so they survived. We never had a chance to "Just go in hiding and survive past the cycle." Thats a mute point, and a foolish one.

It just idealism vs realism


The levithans have found a way to exisr and survive against the reapers for a billion years they think on a level that surpasses most organics not only that

But do you honestly think the galaxy will remain united again it was jsut a miracle for this to be the case just this first time

Modifié par LiarasShield, 29 août 2012 - 01:12 .

[LiarasShield]

It is hope and idealism that drives you to think the leviathans can outright be destroyed but if they can find a way to survive a billion years and outwit the reapers each time

And they think at a rate the most organics can not even comprehend how much do you think you really have?

Also we got lucky with the galaxy remained united just this once do you think that will remain the case in the next 50 thousand years espically if a me4 was to be made?

[Tyrium]

I always found control dodgy, but no, Destroy is still looking pretty damn good to me