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[Tyrium]

Mordak55 wrote...

Sad part is that I enjoyed Leviathan, but in the contect of adding EMS, which is all it really did, its a bit pointless.

I really don't understand this - the point is enjoying it - EMS is just a number used at the end, it's not the point of the game. The point is to enjoy it.

[LiarasShield]

I guess hope will endure but you may see and understand why the levitathans can't be outright defeated if they regain their numbers and become one of the atagonists of me4

[ShepComing4U]

LiarasShield wrote...

ShepComing4U wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

You wanna know why we won't be able to to outright defeat the leviathans because they resisted the reapers even though they didn't win they were able to find a way to survive

But if we refuse we will all die and not survive into the next cycle that is how I know that defeating the leviathans is no where near as simple as you hope it to be


Maybe because in mass effect I'm a realist not a Idealist good or bad I intend to know and to see whats coming

Thats your logic? Seriously? So this is how it works out for you, almost like math.

United galaxy+ refuse= everybody dies
Leviathans+ Catalyst= a few leviathans survive
Leviathans>United Galaxy

You do realize the refuse choice is to simply say: "We could not defeat the reapers, and we ended up getting harvested." That doesnt mean noone survived. Even then, thats not the point. The Leviathans have never come out of "hiding", so they survived. We never had a chance to "Just go in hiding and survive past the cycle." Thats a mute point, and a foolish one.

It just idealism vs realism


The levithans have found a way to exisr and survive against the reapers for a billion years they think on a level that surpasses most organics not only that

But do you honestly think the galaxy will remain united again it was jsut a miracle for this to be the case just this first time

Its not idealism vs realism
Its bad speculation vs good speculation

You are saying because they survived all this time, they will defeat us and enslave us. They have BARELY survived the Reapers, and that is due to the fact they have never gone out of hiding! Let me use an analogy, even if it may be a bad one.

If a stray dog has just been living around the city, and manages to not be caught by the dog-catcher for, lets say 15 years, does that mean its mind surpasses every organic alive? No. 

And, yes I do think the galaxy  will remain united against a Leviathan threat. Why would they let something take what they spilled blood and sacrificed for?Their freedom and their right to live.

Modifié par ShepComing4U, 29 août 2012 - 01:26 .

[LiarasShield]

ShepComing4U wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

ShepComing4U wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

You wanna know why we won't be able to to outright defeat the leviathans because they resisted the reapers even though they didn't win they were able to find a way to survive

But if we refuse we will all die and not survive into the next cycle that is how I know that defeating the leviathans is no where near as simple as you hope it to be


Maybe because in mass effect I'm a realist not a Idealist good or bad I intend to know and to see whats coming

Thats your logic? Seriously? So this is how it works out for you, almost like math.

United galaxy+ refuse= everybody dies
Leviathans+ Catalyst= a few leviathans survive
Leviathans>United Galaxy

You do realize the refuse choice is to simply say: "We could not defeat the reapers, and we ended up getting harvested." That doesnt mean noone survived. Even then, thats not the point. The Leviathans have never come out of "hiding", so they survived. We never had a chance to "Just go in hiding and survive past the cycle." Thats a mute point, and a foolish one.

It just idealism vs realism


The levithans have found a way to exisr and survive against the reapers for a billion years they think on a level that surpasses most organics not only that

But do you honestly think the galaxy will remain united again it was jsut a miracle for this to be the case just this first time

Its not idealism vs realism
Its bad speculation vs good speculation

You are saying because they survived all this time, they will defeat us and enslave us. They have BARELY survived the Reapers, and that is due to the fact they have never gone out of hiding! Let me use an analogy, even if it may be a bad one.

If a stray dog has just been living around the city, and manages to not be caught by the dog-catcher for, lets say 15 years, does that mean its mind surpasses every organic alive? No. 

And, yes I do think the galaxy  will remain united against a Leviathan threat. Why would they let something take what they spilled blood and sacrificed for?Their freedom and their right to live.

Because of endless conflicts

The salarians being afraid of the genophage curing of the krogan may start a fight with them

Alot of the krogan may want to take revenge on the salarians

The quarians may eventually turn on the geth and eventually be eradicated or kicked off their homeworld

Because the crucible doesn't end conflict other then in synthesis it shows that conflict will still exist in other endings probably why the battles will never stop and why they may not remain united

But yes the levitahsn have existed for billions of years they have outwited the reapers each time

If we refuse we all die and don't make it to the next cycle

Also the levithans seem to be the only organic to ever remain truely united besides shepard bringing everyone together in the last minute of me3

[Mordak55]

Tyrium wrote...

Mordak55 wrote...

Sad part is that I enjoyed Leviathan, but in the contect of adding EMS, which is all it really did, its a bit pointless.

I really don't understand this - the point is enjoying it - EMS is just a number used at the end, it's not the point of the game. The point is to enjoy it.

I stated I did enjoy the DLC,.

But I dont think that in the wider context of the game, as a piece if DLC it added anything except war assets which are pretty much a waste.

If this content had been in the actual game and we could have learned about Leviathen, and the Reapers as we had been playing it, then I think it would have been much better and there would have be a point to it. But as an after the fact add on it loses its impact.

[ShepComing4U]

Also the levithans seem to be the only organic to ever remain truely united besides shepard bringing everyone together in the last minute of me3[/quote]

Are you serious? THEY ARE THE SAME RACE. THEY INDOCTRINATED EVERYBODY IN THE FIRST CYCLE. Of course they were united! Their "Thralls" couldnt think for themselves!

[LiarasShield]

[quote]ShepComing4U wrote...

Also the levithans seem to be the only organic to ever remain truely united besides shepard bringing everyone together in the last minute of me3[/quote]

Are you serious? THEY ARE THE SAME RACE. THEY INDOCTRINATED EVERYBODY IN THE FIRST CYCLE. Of course they were united! Their "Thralls" couldnt think for themselves!

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Still their whole race was united EVEN US HUMANS ARENT UNITED WHY THE HECK DO YOU THINK WERE ARGUEING IN A FORM ABOUT DIFFERENt

ENDINGS

[EricHVela]

• The Reapers didn't defeat the Leviathans.
• The Reapers began after the Leviathans were harvested for the first Reaper.
• The Leviathan states that the Catalyst used their subjects to betray them.
• The "lesser" races defeated the Leviathans, and that was when the Leviathans were in mass numbers.
• Now, they are few and the "lesser" races control the Galaxy.

Who is going to win in a war with the Leviathans if they are arrogant enough to try to take over after the Reapers are gone?

Modifié par ReggarBlane, 29 août 2012 - 01:37 .

[Jackums]

Key point: The Leviathans are clearly not capable of defeating the Reapers. If they were, they wouldn't have been hiding for billions of years. Even more than that, they'd never have been wiped out in the first place. The showing of a single Leviathan temporarily incapacitating a single Reaper does not equate to them being able to take over the galaxy, especially when in the Control ending we have Shepard in control of a Reaper army; the man/woman who knows of the Leviathans' existence and location.

[LiarasShield]

JackumsD wrote...

Key point: The Leviathans are clearly not capable of defeating the Reapers. If they were, they wouldn't have been hiding for billions of years. Even more than that, they'd never have been wiped out in the first place. The showing of a single Leviathan temporarily incapacitating a single Reaper does not equate to them being able to take over the galaxy, especially when in the Control ending we have Shepard in control of a Reaper army; the man/woman who knows of the Leviathans' existence and location.

In destroy they have time to recover and regain their numbers they exist within every dark corner of the galaxy they think beyond the rest of the organics they're the only true organic race that has been united or that has completely worked with each other from the begining


They have outwitted and survived against the reapers for billions of years something we could never do

We can barely remain united ourselves among the human race let alone the krogan salarians and the turians the alliance keeping us together is very thin as it is

The peace won't last and the only ending that ends conflict is synthesis which I hate even more because everybody might become the same

[Jackums]

LiarasShield wrote...

JackumsD wrote...

Key point: The Leviathans are clearly not capable of defeating the Reapers. If they were, they wouldn't have been hiding for billions of years. Even more than that, they'd never have been wiped out in the first place. The showing of a single Leviathan temporarily incapacitating a single Reaper does not equate to them being able to take over the galaxy, especially when in the Control ending we have Shepard in control of a Reaper army; the man/woman who knows of the Leviathans' existence and location.

In destroy they have time to recover and regain their numbers they exist within every dark corner of the galaxy they think beyond the rest of the organics they're the only true organic race that has been united or that has completely worked with each other from the begining


They have outwitted and survived against the reapers for billions of years something we could never do

We can barely remain united ourselves among the human race let alone the krogan salarians and the turians the alliance keeping us together is very thin as it is

The peace won't last and the only ending that ends conflict is synthesis which I hate even more because everybody might become the same

My post was in defense of the Control ending. I agree that without the Reapers, the Leviathans are a huge threat in the Destroy ending. But versus a Reaper army controlled by Shepard, who knows of the Leviathans' existence, and is allied with the rest of the races of the galaxy? The Leviathans stand even less of a chance than they did pre-Crucible. There's no way they'd be able to take over again post-Control.

[MegaSovereign]

Their indoctrination abilities are limited considering that their artifacts must be nearby.

Their indoctrination seems to be their best/only weapon. As opposed to the Reapers who have superior shielding and weaponry.

Even after Destroy the galaxy could defeat them conventionally.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 29 août 2012 - 01:56 .

[LiarasShield]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Their indoctrination abilities are limited considering that their artifacts must be nearby.

Obviously they'd find a way to carry it with them or have them placed in a location of wherever they wanted to attack or take control of

[MegaSovereign]

LiarasShield wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Their indoctrination abilities are limited considering that their artifacts must be nearby.

Obviously they'd find a way to carry it with them or have them placed in a location of wherever they wanted to attack or take control of

Unlike the Reapers they don't have the element of surprise. The galaxy now knows of their existence. If they try to attack the united forces could wipe them out.

[LiarasShield]

MegaSovereign wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Their indoctrination abilities are limited considering that their artifacts must be nearby.

Obviously they'd find a way to carry it with them or have them placed in a location of wherever they wanted to attack or take control of

Unlike the Reapers they don't have the element of surprise. The galaxy now knows of their existence. If they try to attack the united forces could wipe them out.

But they won't remain united because the peace won't last that was my whole point even us the players have proven that the peace won't last

The galaxy may never be united again and when they can survive and outwit the reapers for a billions years and survive which the protheans didn't hand have similar powers to the reapers unless we come up with a near super power weapon they may end up destroying or controling us in destroy

[Jackums]

I think the fact that the Leviathans have been hiding for billions of years and countless cycles makes it more than apparent that they are in fact incapable of defeating the Reapers.

[Yakko77]

RenegonSQ wrote...

Destroy is still the best choice.

It is for me based on what I've read from several accounts of Leviathan (I refuse to buy it) but it just strikes me as odd that BW would double down like this and make other choices in the game appear even less viable in the last 5 minutes and literally push Synthesis even more when the game was supposedly about player choice.  Destroying the Reapers was the goal of the game and even though I disagreed with TIM, it's pretty heavily implied he's seeking to control/exploit the Reapers by the end of ME2 so at least it's a viable game end choice for those players more sympathetic to Cerberus as they were in ME2.

I would like to thank those who have posted spoilers as to the content and conclusion of Leviathan as it saved me and many other fans $10.  If Bioware wont listen to this and many othe fans, maybe they'll listen to not getting my money.  I wish it wasn't so.  I wish the endings weren't designed to "prefer" an ending which IMO breaks game lore and that the first SP DLC didn't go further into that misguild path.  I love the series.  It's still my all time favorite but it's almosy literally painful to see what it became at the very end.

[LiarasShield]

JackumsD wrote...

I think the fact that the Leviathans have been hiding for billions of years and countless cycles makes it more than apparent that they are in fact incapable of defeating the Reapers.

But this not about them defeating the reapers it is about them beating or controling us

[X086573]

Destroy is still MY best choice.

[Yakko77]

Tyrium wrote...

Mordak55 wrote...

Sad part is that I enjoyed Leviathan, but in the contect of adding EMS, which is all it really did, its a bit pointless.

I really don't understand this - the point is enjoying it - EMS is just a number used at the end, it's not the point of the game. The point is to enjoy it.

But if it ultimately constributes nothing to the game other than shooting some things, adding meaningless EMS points and some funny dialogue, what's the point.  What's the point of finding the Leviathans if they ultimately make no difference to the outcome?  Unless you're a Synthesis advocate then there's little to nothing to be gained.  Playing for the sake of playing is hardly compelling reason to defend this DLC.

[LiarasShield]

because the peace won't last and because if we pick destroy the levithans will regain in nubmers and after 50 thousand years who knows how big their army will be but they share similar power to the reapers and look almost as formidable as them but as a united organic race

are hopes of beating them are still very thin only if we can prove the catalyst wrong and truely make the peace last will we be able to have a chance

[MegaSovereign]

LiarasShield wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Their indoctrination abilities are limited considering that their artifacts must be nearby.

Obviously they'd find a way to carry it with them or have them placed in a location of wherever they wanted to attack or take control of

Unlike the Reapers they don't have the element of surprise. The galaxy now knows of their existence. If they try to attack the united forces could wipe them out.

But they won't remain united because the peace won't last that was my whole point even us the players have proven that the peace won't last

The galaxy may never be united again and when they can survive and outwit the reapers for a billions years and survive which the protheans didn't hand have similar powers to the reapers unless we come up with a near super power weapon they may end up destroying or controling us in destroy

If there is a galactic threat then unity will be achieved since everyone's common goal is to survive.

If Shepard is alive in the Destroy ending then it should be even easier for the galaxy to band together.

The Leviathans aren't more powerful than the Reapers. They can be defeated conventionally.

[LiarasShield]

MegaSovereign wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Their indoctrination abilities are limited considering that their artifacts must be nearby.

Obviously they'd find a way to carry it with them or have them placed in a location of wherever they wanted to attack or take control of

Unlike the Reapers they don't have the element of surprise. The galaxy now knows of their existence. If they try to attack the united forces could wipe them out.

But they won't remain united because the peace won't last that was my whole point even us the players have proven that the peace won't last

The galaxy may never be united again and when they can survive and outwit the reapers for a billions years and survive which the protheans didn't hand have similar powers to the reapers unless we come up with a near super power weapon they may end up destroying or controling us in destroy

If there is a galactic threat then unity will be achieved since everyone's common goal is to survive.

If Shepard is alive in the Destroy ending then it should be even easier for the galaxy to band together.

The Leviathans aren't more powerful than the Reapers. They can be defeated conventionally.

But we don't know if they can truely be able to be beaten conventionally they're smarter and more powerful then us they have been able to survive since the first cycle and they didn't go along with the reapers but if we refuse we all die they're beyond our understand and the power that we yield they would still be near the same level of reaper threat if you pick destroy and they regain their full force in 50 thousand years

[Yakko77]

LiarasShield wrote...

because the peace won't last and because if we pick destroy the levithans will regain in nubmers and after 50 thousand years who knows how big their army will be but they share similar power to the reapers and look almost as formidable as them but as a united organic race

are hopes of beating them are still very thin only if we can prove the catalyst wrong and truely make the peace last will we be able to have a chance

Why?  Because Star Brat says so?  Ending the Geth-Quarian War and uniting them if you played it that way disproves that assertion.  That the game writers would disregard such game choices and make conflict "inevitable" just because is cheap and lazy writing.  Also, if the Leviathans were so powerful and capable of retaking the galaxy they wouldn't have been hiding at the bottom of an ocean for millions of years.