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[LiarasShield]

Yakko77 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

because the peace won't last and because if we pick destroy the levithans will regain in nubmers and after 50 thousand years who knows how big their army will be but they share similar power to the reapers and look almost as formidable as them but as a united organic race

are hopes of beating them are still very thin only if we can prove the catalyst wrong and truely make the peace last will we be able to have a chance

Why?  Because Star Brat says so?  Ending the Geth-Quarian War and uniting them if you played it that way disproves that assertion.  That the game writers would disregard such game choices and make conflict "inevitable" just because is cheap and lazy writing.  Also, if the Leviathans were so powerful and capable of retaking the galaxy they wouldn't have been hiding at the bottom of an ocean for millions of years.

The only threat to them was the reapers now you have just removed that threat if you use the crucible to destroy them in destroy do you not understand that O_O?

[inversevideo]

LiarasShield wrote...

because the peace won't last and because if we pick destroy the levithans will regain in nubmers and after 50 thousand years who knows how big their army will be but they share similar power to the reapers and look almost as formidable as them but as a united organic race

are hopes of beating them are still very thin only if we can prove the catalyst wrong and truely make the peace last will we be able to have a chance

Is it possible that both the Leviathans and Starkid want us to chose Synthesis? Each for their own reasons?
Starkid, through the Reapers, found it easy to co-opt the Geth (and presumably all lesser AI before that).

If synthesis makes every living thing techno-organic (sorry Marvel I don't have a good word for it) does that mean that under synthesis, the lines between AI and Organic Sentient are blurred to the point where Starkid and/or Leviathan could just assume control? Or maybe just have enhanced influence?

I don't know, just asking. Just wondering if that would be the basis for a new ME story Arc, post Shepard.  Where life fights to reasert it's freedom from the machine?

[ShepComing4U]

LiarasShield wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Their indoctrination abilities are limited considering that their artifacts must be nearby.

Obviously they'd find a way to carry it with them or have them placed in a location of wherever they wanted to attack or take control of

Unlike the Reapers they don't have the element of surprise. The galaxy now knows of their existence. If they try to attack the united forces could wipe them out.

But they won't remain united because the peace won't last that was my whole point even us the players have proven that the peace won't last

The galaxy may never be united again and when they can survive and outwit the reapers for a billions years and survive which the protheans didn't hand have similar powers to the reapers unless we come up with a near super power weapon they may end up destroying or controling us in destroy

If there is a galactic threat then unity will be achieved since everyone's common goal is to survive.

If Shepard is alive in the Destroy ending then it should be even easier for the galaxy to band together.

The Leviathans aren't more powerful than the Reapers. They can be defeated conventionally.

But we don't know if they can truely be able to be beaten conventionally they're smarter and more powerful then us they have been able to survive since the first cycle and they didn't go along with the reapers but if we refuse we all die they're beyond our understand and the power that we yield they would still be near the same level of reaper threat if you pick destroy and they regain their full force in 50 thousand years

And what do you think will happen to the other races in the next 50,000 years? They will all just remain the same?No evolution, no technological advances, no more knowledge, no more population rise, nothing? Your logic and arguments go in circles.

[MKfighter89]

NoUserNameHere wrote...

Control is still as sketchy as usual... you outnumber the Leviathans 3000 to one, so they can flay all the Reapers they want, you're still God of the force that's unbeatable through conventional means.

Synthesis is being pushed more than ever, it is known.

Destroy is made to look even worse through more contrived plot gymnastics.

theirs at least 3 leviathans we can see. so 3000 to 3 

[NPH11]

Arcian wrote...

RenegonSQ wrote...

Destroy is still the best choice.

There is no such thing as a best choice.

Would've been better if there had been a best ending. At least then we wouldn't be sitting around arguing over who did what was right.

[spirosz]

LiarasShield wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

because the peace won't last and because if we pick destroy the levithans will regain in nubmers and after 50 thousand years who knows how big their army will be but they share similar power to the reapers and look almost as formidable as them but as a united organic race

are hopes of beating them are still very thin only if we can prove the catalyst wrong and truely make the peace last will we be able to have a chance

Why?  Because Star Brat says so?  Ending the Geth-Quarian War and uniting them if you played it that way disproves that assertion.  That the game writers would disregard such game choices and make conflict "inevitable" just because is cheap and lazy writing.  Also, if the Leviathans were so powerful and capable of retaking the galaxy they wouldn't have been hiding at the bottom of an ocean for millions of years.

The only threat to them was the reapers now you have just removed that threat if you use the crucible to destroy them in destroy do you not understand that O_O?

Headcannon that Shepard ended up blowing up that planet after using the cruicible, so yes - there will be peace (for a time). Who's to say that the peace will last in Synthesis or even Control?  Nobody. Oh, I forgot, you still have the Reapers to "help", but what if something goes wrong and they end up you know, turning on organcis again.  All this is speculation, but at best, that's all it will ever be with these endings. 

Modifié par spirosz, 29 août 2012 - 02:28 .

[esalor]

I will always go with destroy, no matter what.
If the Leviathans or whoever else wants to pick a fight with Shepard (who is still alive, by the way) and the rest of the galaxy after we have dealt with the Reapers, bring it on.

[LiarasShield]

spirosz wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

because the peace won't last and because if we pick destroy the levithans will regain in nubmers and after 50 thousand years who knows how big their army will be but they share similar power to the reapers and look almost as formidable as them but as a united organic race

are hopes of beating them are still very thin only if we can prove the catalyst wrong and truely make the peace last will we be able to have a chance

Why?  Because Star Brat says so?  Ending the Geth-Quarian War and uniting them if you played it that way disproves that assertion.  That the game writers would disregard such game choices and make conflict "inevitable" just because is cheap and lazy writing.  Also, if the Leviathans were so powerful and capable of retaking the galaxy they wouldn't have been hiding at the bottom of an ocean for millions of years.

The only threat to them was the reapers now you have just removed that threat if you use the crucible to destroy them in destroy do you not understand that O_O?

Headcannon that Shepard ended up blowing up that planet after using the cruicible, so yes - there will be peace (for a time). Who's to say that the peace will last in Synthesis or even Control?  Nobody. Oh, I forgot, you still have the Reapers to "help", but what if something goes wrong and they end up you know, turning on organcis again.  All this is speculation, but at best, that's all it will ever be with these endings. 

But the leviathans exist through every dark corner of the galaxy and they don't just stick to one planet how did you think they have survived for billions of years lol

[BaladasDemnevanni]

LiarasShield wrote...

But the leviathans exist through every dark corner of the galaxy and they don't just stick to one planet how did you think they have survived for billions of years lol

...by staying on their underwater planet and destroying all traces of their existence? Really, where are you getting this whole idea about them existing "thoughout the galaxy?"

[LiarasShield]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

But the leviathans exist through every dark corner of the galaxy and they don't just stick to one planet how did you think they have survived for billions of years lol

...by staying on their underwater planet and destroying all traces of their existence? Really, where are you getting this whole idea about them existing "thoughout the galaxy?"

It was even mentioned in the dlc even doctor bryson and I think even the leviathans bring it up they don't stick to one place they're always on the move

O_o

[spirosz]

LiarasShield wrote...

spirosz wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

because the peace won't last and because if we pick destroy the levithans will regain in nubmers and after 50 thousand years who knows how big their army will be but they share similar power to the reapers and look almost as formidable as them but as a united organic race

are hopes of beating them are still very thin only if we can prove the catalyst wrong and truely make the peace last will we be able to have a chance

Why?  Because Star Brat says so?  Ending the Geth-Quarian War and uniting them if you played it that way disproves that assertion.  That the game writers would disregard such game choices and make conflict "inevitable" just because is cheap and lazy writing.  Also, if the Leviathans were so powerful and capable of retaking the galaxy they wouldn't have been hiding at the bottom of an ocean for millions of years.

The only threat to them was the reapers now you have just removed that threat if you use the crucible to destroy them in destroy do you not understand that O_O?

Headcannon that Shepard ended up blowing up that planet after using the cruicible, so yes - there will be peace (for a time). Who's to say that the peace will last in Synthesis or even Control?  Nobody. Oh, I forgot, you still have the Reapers to "help", but what if something goes wrong and they end up you know, turning on organcis again.  All this is speculation, but at best, that's all it will ever be with these endings. 

But the leviathans exist through every dark corner of the galaxy and they don't just stick to one planet how did you think they have survived for billions of years lol

Because those 3 say so?  They could be bluffing for all we know to intiminate Shepard. Also, how do we know how many that consists of, 10, 30, 300? We don't know, that's my point.  If there are so many still, then they might as well start popping out of their fishtank and "surprise" the Reapers.  At best, if you feel that Destroy is the worst choice, that's fair, this is your mindset, but I don't believe it is and I don't believe any chose is considered the "best" solution to galatic peace, IMO - there never will be.  To me, all three are just a prolonged peace, but with no certainty that it will last.

Modifié par spirosz, 29 août 2012 - 02:33 .

[LiarasShield]

spirosz wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

spirosz wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

because the peace won't last and because if we pick destroy the levithans will regain in nubmers and after 50 thousand years who knows how big their army will be but they share similar power to the reapers and look almost as formidable as them but as a united organic race

are hopes of beating them are still very thin only if we can prove the catalyst wrong and truely make the peace last will we be able to have a chance

Why?  Because Star Brat says so?  Ending the Geth-Quarian War and uniting them if you played it that way disproves that assertion.  That the game writers would disregard such game choices and make conflict "inevitable" just because is cheap and lazy writing.  Also, if the Leviathans were so powerful and capable of retaking the galaxy they wouldn't have been hiding at the bottom of an ocean for millions of years.

The only threat to them was the reapers now you have just removed that threat if you use the crucible to destroy them in destroy do you not understand that O_O?

Headcannon that Shepard ended up blowing up that planet after using the cruicible, so yes - there will be peace (for a time). Who's to say that the peace will last in Synthesis or even Control?  Nobody. Oh, I forgot, you still have the Reapers to "help", but what if something goes wrong and they end up you know, turning on organcis again.  All this is speculation, but at best, that's all it will ever be with these endings. 

But the leviathans exist through every dark corner of the galaxy and they don't just stick to one planet how did you think they have survived for billions of years lol

Because those 3 say so?  They could be bluffing for all we know to intiminate Shepard. Also, how do we know how many that consists of, 10, 30, 300? We don't know, that's my point.  If there are so many still, then they might as well start popping out of their fishtank and "surprise" the Reapers.  At best, if you feel that Destroy is the worst choice, that's fair, this is your mindset, but I don't believe it is and I don't believe any chose is considered the "best" solution to galatic peace, IMO - there never will be. 

Even doctor bryson has mentioned that the levithans move from place to place and that the leviathans use the orb artifacts to see whats going on in the galaxy they serve a second purpose other then just increasing their domination over organics

[BatmanPWNS]

Since Bioware is so desperate to make us pick Synthesis, I love destroy/control even more and hate synthesis even more.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

LiarasShield wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

But the leviathans exist through every dark corner of the galaxy and they don't just stick to one planet how did you think they have survived for billions of years lol

...by staying on their underwater planet and destroying all traces of their existence? Really, where are you getting this whole idea about them existing "thoughout the galaxy?"

It was even mentioned in the dlc even doctor bryson and I think even the leviathans bring it up they don't stick to one place they're always on the move

O_o

I don't recall that at all.

Regardless, do you have any idea how huge of a stretch that is? Going from "always on the move" to "throughout ever corner of the galaxy" is not even remotely equivalent. I could say my family is always on the move. It doesn't imply either that:

1) my family is large enough to occupy every corner of the earth

or

2) that we are scattered.

[LiarasShield]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

But the leviathans exist through every dark corner of the galaxy and they don't just stick to one planet how did you think they have survived for billions of years lol

...by staying on their underwater planet and destroying all traces of their existence? Really, where are you getting this whole idea about them existing "thoughout the galaxy?"

It was even mentioned in the dlc even doctor bryson and I think even the leviathans bring it up they don't stick to one place they're always on the move

O_o

I don't recall that at all.

Regardless, do you have any idea how huge of a stretch that is? Going from "always on the move" to "throughout ever corner of the galaxy" is not even remotely equivalent. I could say my family is always on the move. It doesn't imply either that:

1) my family is large enough to occupy every corner of the earth

or

2) that we are scattered.

Either way it doesn't change the fact that with their artifacts they can see whats going on in the galaxy they can reproduce whereever the galaxy is thinist and slowly rebuild their forces by the time 50 thousand years come around with the reapers being destroyed in destroy they will pose a serious threat them always being able to see whats going on in the galaxy givesa them a huge advantage we do not have

[ShepComing4U]

LiarasShield wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

But the leviathans exist through every dark corner of the galaxy and they don't just stick to one planet how did you think they have survived for billions of years lol

...by staying on their underwater planet and destroying all traces of their existence? Really, where are you getting this whole idea about them existing "thoughout the galaxy?"

It was even mentioned in the dlc even doctor bryson and I think even the leviathans bring it up they don't stick to one place they're always on the move

O_o

I don't recall that at all.

Regardless, do you have any idea how huge of a stretch that is? Going from "always on the move" to "throughout ever corner of the galaxy" is not even remotely equivalent. I could say my family is always on the move. It doesn't imply either that:

1) my family is large enough to occupy every corner of the earth

or

2) that we are scattered.

Either way it doesn't change the fact that with their artifacts they can see whats going on in the galaxy they can reproduce whereever the galaxy is thinist and slowly rebuild their forces by the time 50 thousand years come around with the reapers being destroyed in destroy they will pose a serious threat them always being able to see whats going on in the galaxy givesa them a huge advantage we do not have

And again, what do you think we will do? We already outnumber and outpower them even with the Reaper war going on. You're acting like we wont advance at all during those 50,000 years. More population, better weapons, we'll continue to evolve, advance technologically. Your arguments are getting weaker and weaker.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

LiarasShield wrote...

Either way it doesn't change the fact that with their artifacts they can see whats going on in the galaxy they can reproduce whereever the galaxy is thinist and slowly rebuild their forces by the time 50 thousand years come around with the reapers being destroyed in destroy they will pose a serious threat them always being able to see whats going on in the galaxy givesa them a huge advantage we do not have

And...so will we. What, you think we're just sitting around? Again, you're overestimating the Leviathan's influence. There is nothing to suggest that they exist throughout the galaxy or in any meaningful number. As it stands, we saw....3 of them. There might be more, but as far as we know, that's it. And we already demonstrated that we can resist their effects.

As I pointed out here, your logic didn't stop you from sparing the Rachni or curing the genophage, despite the threat that they represented, but suddenly the threat of a broken species is too much for us to handle?

Modifié par BaladasDemnevanni, 29 août 2012 - 02:47 .

[AresKeith]

ShepComing4U wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

But the leviathans exist through every dark corner of the galaxy and they don't just stick to one planet how did you think they have survived for billions of years lol

...by staying on their underwater planet and destroying all traces of their existence? Really, where are you getting this whole idea about them existing "thoughout the galaxy?"

It was even mentioned in the dlc even doctor bryson and I think even the leviathans bring it up they don't stick to one place they're always on the move

O_o

I don't recall that at all.

Regardless, do you have any idea how huge of a stretch that is? Going from "always on the move" to "throughout ever corner of the galaxy" is not even remotely equivalent. I could say my family is always on the move. It doesn't imply either that:

1) my family is large enough to occupy every corner of the earth

or

2) that we are scattered.

Either way it doesn't change the fact that with their artifacts they can see whats going on in the galaxy they can reproduce whereever the galaxy is thinist and slowly rebuild their forces by the time 50 thousand years come around with the reapers being destroyed in destroy they will pose a serious threat them always being able to see whats going on in the galaxy givesa them a huge advantage we do not have

And again, what do you think we will do? We already outnumber and outpower them even with the Reaper war going on. You're acting like we wont advance at all during those 50,000 years. More population, better weapons, we'll continue to evolve, advance technologically. Your arguments are getting weaker and weaker.

thats the thing about the Reaper Wars, after Destroy we'll be weakened and rebuilding while the Leviathans never fully joined the fight, they only took control over Reaper Forces. And who's to say they haven't been rebuilding their numbers over billions of years now

[Saans Shadow]

Leviathan made me feel like the bigger threat has yet to come.

Control: I've never liked control.  It's too dangerous in my opinion.  Who is to stop some psychotic group similar to Cerberus to build another crucible and for some power hungry crazy person similar to TIM to take control.  I won't take that chance.  Now with Leviathan around whats to stop them from taking out the now controlled Reaper fleet.  They are obviously a patient race and could take them out over countless eons to re-establish control over the younger races.  And what do you do about rebuilding a new Reaper...destroy a society?...and the cycle continues.

Destroy:  I won't sacrifice EDI or the Geth.  Never going to happen.  They have just as much of a right to life as anybody or any race. I also see the Reapers as a victim now.  We now have a diminished numbers, small surviving fleet, and a looming threat of "What if the Leviathans decide to try to take over again."  We don't have the Reaper fleet, the Geth, or our own lovable EDI in this one to help.

Refuse:  Yes...let me fail all the people who asked me to save them because I'm too stubborn to put my personal morals beliefs aside to make a questionable decision. Leviathan is the next cycles problem I guess...that's...fair...

Synthesis: Upgrading all organic life down to the molecular level to include technology.  Upgrading all synthetic life to have true emotional comprehension and organic understanding.  All life is now "connected" via galactic network allowing knowledge and understanding to be shared at the speed of light (similar to the prothean cosmic imperitive, except "wireless") while allowing to completely retain individual personality and sense of self.  The downside: These "upgrades" are done without explicit permission from the individual.  I think this is the only way to make sure the Levaithans and thier kind have trouble controlling us because of the new upgrades.  Also we have a united galaxy from a potential threat and the Reapers fleet, including all the knowledge they have gained over the eons.  Granted we already have a way of sheilding their orbs but i'm sure there are other ways.  Obviously they didn't use an orb on shepard while she was in the water.  Proximity was enough.

The Leviathans are a far older threat that have been waiting for the day the Reapers are gone so they can dominate the galaxy again and be worshipped as gods.

These of course are my opinions and interpretations.  If you don't agree with me thats your perogotive.
If, however, you have information to input without acting like a child I'm always welcome to new data or another way of interperating this.  A heated discussion is one thing, telling someone's opinion is wrong is...well, asinine and closed minded.

Who knows what the future will behold though

[Yakko77]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Since Bioware is so desperate to make us pick Synthesis, I love destroy/control even more and hate synthesis even more.

Glad to know I'm not the only one who feels BW is going that route and yes, I too like Destroy End even more.  I might pick Control just because if I can get myself to play the game on SP again....

[LiarasShield]

Their artifacts allow them to see whats going on in the galaxy they will know every move we try to make towards them before we do it they have the biggest advantage over us because they will always know whatever we try to do beforehand

[Dessalines]

Synthesis is not a valid option either, because Leviathans did not need technology to evolve.They are not even billions, but innumerable years ahead of us in the evolution.. Star-Child:: The Reapers are synthetic representation of my creators, so choose synthesis so my creators will be partly synthetic. The reapers will be partly organic, so basically it would be one big family renunion. Since Synthesis only eliminates the conflict between organic and synthetics.
Why wouldn't the Reapers and Leviatahns work together to enslave us all? It is not like Levis are getting anything extra from being synthetic.

[Yakko77]

LiarasShield wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

because the peace won't last and because if we pick destroy the levithans will regain in nubmers and after 50 thousand years who knows how big their army will be but they share similar power to the reapers and look almost as formidable as them but as a united organic race

are hopes of beating them are still very thin only if we can prove the catalyst wrong and truely make the peace last will we be able to have a chance

Why?  Because Star Brat says so?  Ending the Geth-Quarian War and uniting them if you played it that way disproves that assertion.  That the game writers would disregard such game choices and make conflict "inevitable" just because is cheap and lazy writing.  Also, if the Leviathans were so powerful and capable of retaking the galaxy they wouldn't have been hiding at the bottom of an ocean for millions of years.

The only threat to them was the reapers now you have just removed that threat if you use the crucible to destroy them in destroy do you not understand that O_O?

You're assuming the "peace will not last" just because Star Brat said so.  Also, you have no way of knowing just how many Leviathans there are.  This theory of yours is based on an assumption of Leviathan numbers that is in no way verifiable and accepting Star Brat "logic".  Sorry, I'm not convinced.  I'm not saying BW wont use the Leviathans as some future nemesis in ME4 but as of right now it's all speculation with little compelling evidence to back it.  Your theory isn't implausible but it's just not convincing at the moment IMO.

[2leggywillow]

 Perhaps the DLC was intended to push Synthesis as an option while undermining Destroy, but I don't see how.  Synthesis is meant to prevent further conflict between organics and synthetics by blending them into one stupid mix, but I don't see how they would prevent a possible future conflict between Leviathans and the rest of the galaxy.  The motivation behind the Leviathans trying to restore their former glory would have nothing to do with the organic/synthetic conflict, unless the idea behind Synthesis is that no one ever goes to war ever again, which seems too cutesy.

EDIT:  Well derp, the Reapers are still around during the Synthesis ending, I always forget that.  I guess that would keep the Leviathans in hiding.  Still, though, Destroy is my choice even after the DLC.  The Leviathans didn't seem particularly eager to reestablish their empire, and if they get ideas later, the galaxy will deal with them later.

Modifié par 2leggywillow, 29 août 2012 - 03:03 .

[SkullStrife]

In Synthesis things are worse, everyone is LINKED... yes LINKED LINKED LINKED!!! they don´t need artifacts anymore... so it will go like this
Leviathan: well done guys we killed the reapers... mmm I want a Sandwich.. -accidentaly he starts sending control signal trough the galactical mind link, this signal goes trough synthesised reapers, Geth, and organics-
Wrex: they are gods... I must bring them their sandwich... -All Krogan start cooking a huge sandwich, so do the turians, quarians, reapers, etc-

THE END