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Yo Dawg. The Circular Logic of the Leviathans.


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- Note: not trying to be mean to bioware, they do a lot of great stuff, but I think this is fair criticism.

The Leviathans:
They let their thralls build their own machines that destroyed them, so instead of telling their thralls not to do that, they built a mad AI that turned on them in an instant...

If this is the big reveal of Leviathan... wow.

Here's a solution Leviathans: if the lesser organics are your THRALLS, just slap em on the wrist, with your mind control, whenever they go near a computer or something.

Leviathan: "Oi, Lesser Organic, stop making that AI computer friend with knives for hands!"
Lesser Organic: "Yes, my lord"

 - problem solved, no need for the starkid to be constructed.

k?

jesus.

For the record: I hope that IT is true, because that would make a lot more sense in context with this DLC. Maybe thats why the DLC is so confusing.

NOTE: If not taken at face value, the Leviathans could indeed be lying to shepard to look like victims, which would make sense given how odd their explanation is, discuss here.

Modifié par StElmo, 28 août 2012 - 10:39 .


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Leviathan: The thorian is laughing at you.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 28 août 2012 - 09:01 .


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Wowskies....

Don't you wish that at the end after you go up the elevator you encounter an the starkid as an avatar of the leviathans.

The logic of the cycle would be that the leviathans created the reapers as that was their perception of life. The leviathans were extra-galactic (or even extra-dimensional) and they kept the reaper cycle going as that is how their perception of life and evolution of life was - cyclical. Eventually they knew the reapers would be destroyed and a new cycle would begin again (by their intervention or not)

With the reapers destroyed shepard gets an ominous nod that they know the cycle is over and they will be watching.

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CrutchCricket wrote...

The thorian is laughing at you.

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Edited. Thorian> Leviathan at thralling.

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CrutchCricket wrote...

Edited. Thorian> Leviathan at thralling.


lol yeah, ergh, how did they make this whole reaper origin worse then it was!?!?! I liked the idea behind the catalyst, but it had SOME mystery to it, now it's just "oh we were like gods, but made the dumbest mistake ever by letting our THRALLS (the people we control) destroy themselves....

Modifié par StElmo, 28 août 2012 - 09:06 .


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Oh look at that, a complaint thread from StElmo whining about how BioWare sucks and ME3 sucks and everything in the world sucks.

This is both new AND exciting.

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Yo dawg... Err... I herd... Wait... I herd you like... Ah, screw it!

It doesn't even make that much sense anymore.

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Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Oh look at that, a complaint thread from StElmo whining about how BioWare sucks and ME3 sucks and everything in the world sucks.

This is both new AND exciting.


Go away and let us lament in peace.

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Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Oh look at that, a complaint thread from StElmo whining about how BioWare sucks and ME3 sucks and everything in the world sucks.

This is both new AND exciting.


dude, until I finished ME3, I was singing BioWare's praises from the rooftops, I bloody forced all my friends to buy the first two damn games and support this developer. I invested a crap tonne of my escape with Mass Effect.

BioWare doesn't suck, they have either clearly got this narrative logic thing wrong and are digging themselves into a hole.

Or, they are planning some awesome indoctrination theory type dealie, which we still don't know the full story on.

Eithe way, a literal interpretation of these endings is so full of disbelief and secondary world issues it is absurd.

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StElmo wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Oh look at that, a complaint thread from StElmo whining about how BioWare sucks and ME3 sucks and everything in the world sucks.

This is both new AND exciting.


dude, until I finished ME3, I was singing BioWare's praises from the rooftops, I bloody forced all my friends to buy the first two damn games and support this developer. I invested a crap tonne of my escape with Mass Effect.

BioWare doesn't suck, they have either clearly got this narrative logic thing wrong and are digging themselves into a hole.

Or, they are planning some awesome indoctrination theory type dealie, which we still don't know the full story on.

Eithe way, a literal interpretation of these endings is so full of disbelief and secondary world issues it is absurd.





Dude...St Elmo...come on...Obvious troll is being Obvious

Just leave him alone and he will cry himself to sleep in a corner...somewhere

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Yo Dawg, we discovered our thralls were building synthetics which will kill them, so we built an AI to kill us so we won't have any thralls to build synthetics to kill them!

Modifié par Sarevok Synder, 28 août 2012 - 09:19 .


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"Yo Dawg, I heard you liked lesser organics creating synthetics that destroyed them. So I created a synthetic to stop synthetics from destroying lesser organics by destroying us so you can destroy them since they destroyed us."
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Modifié par JShepppp, 28 août 2012 - 09:25 .


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Ithurael wrote...

StElmo wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Oh look at that, a complaint thread from StElmo whining about how BioWare sucks and ME3 sucks and everything in the world sucks.

This is both new AND exciting.


dude, until I finished ME3, I was singing BioWare's praises from the rooftops, I bloody forced all my friends to buy the first two damn games and support this developer. I invested a crap tonne of my escape with Mass Effect.

BioWare doesn't suck, they have either clearly got this narrative logic thing wrong and are digging themselves into a hole.

Or, they are planning some awesome indoctrination theory type dealie, which we still don't know the full story on.

Eithe way, a literal interpretation of these endings is so full of disbelief and secondary world issues it is absurd.





Dude...St Elmo...come on...Obvious troll is being Obvious

Just leave him alone and he will cry himself to sleep in a corner...somewhere



Oh, was he trolling? I'm really bad at telling who is trolling and who isn't :S

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Sarevok Synder wrote...

Yo Dawg, we discovered our thralls were building synthetics which will kill them, so we built an AI to kill us so we won't have any thralls to build synthetics to kill them!


Ouch you guys do some better phrased ones.

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Sarevok Synder wrote...

Yo Dawg, we discovered our thralls were building synthetics which will kill them, so we built an AI to kill us so we won't have any thralls to build synthetics to kill them!


Truly their superior intellect is beyond our compreension.

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StElmo wrote...

...so instead of telling our thralls not to do that, we built a mad AI that turned on us in an instant...

If this is the big reveal of Leviathan... wow.

Here's a solution leviathans, if the lesser organics are your THRALLS, just slap em on the wrist whenever they go near a computer or something.

k?

jesus.

they were killed

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You mad because both LotSB and Overlord suck compared to it.

Deal with it  B)

Modifié par Rubios, 28 août 2012 - 09:23 .


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StElmo wrote...

Ithurael wrote...

StElmo wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Oh look at that, a complaint thread from StElmo whining about how BioWare sucks and ME3 sucks and everything in the world sucks.

This is both new AND exciting.


dude, until I finished ME3, I was singing BioWare's praises from the rooftops, I bloody forced all my friends to buy the first two damn games and support this developer. I invested a crap tonne of my escape with Mass Effect.

BioWare doesn't suck, they have either clearly got this narrative logic thing wrong and are digging themselves into a hole.

Or, they are planning some awesome indoctrination theory type dealie, which we still don't know the full story on.

Eithe way, a literal interpretation of these endings is so full of disbelief and secondary world issues it is absurd.





Dude...St Elmo...come on...Obvious troll is being Obvious

Just leave him alone and he will cry himself to sleep in a corner...somewhere



Oh, was he trolling? I'm really bad at telling who is trolling and who isn't :S


Tip: Anyone who says "Yo dawg" is trolling. Oh... that would be you, wouldn't it?

Modifié par Father_Jerusalem, 28 août 2012 - 09:22 .


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Rubios wrote...

You mad because both LotSB and Overlord suck compared to it.

Deal with it  B)


nice attempt.

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Father_Jerusalem wrote...

StElmo wrote...

Ithurael wrote...

StElmo wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Oh look at that, a complaint thread from StElmo whining about how BioWare sucks and ME3 sucks and everything in the world sucks.

This is both new AND exciting.


dude, until I finished ME3, I was singing BioWare's praises from the rooftops, I bloody forced all my friends to buy the first two damn games and support this developer. I invested a crap tonne of my escape with Mass Effect.

BioWare doesn't suck, they have either clearly got this narrative logic thing wrong and are digging themselves into a hole.

Or, they are planning some awesome indoctrination theory type dealie, which we still don't know the full story on.

Eithe way, a literal interpretation of these endings is so full of disbelief and secondary world issues it is absurd.





Dude...St Elmo...come on...Obvious troll is being Obvious

Just leave him alone and he will cry himself to sleep in a corner...somewhere



Oh, was he trolling? I'm really bad at telling who is trolling and who isn't :S


Tip: Anyone who says "Yo dawg" is trolling. Oh... that would be you, wouldn't it?


Actually, Yo Dawg is a humorus indicator of a piece of circular logic. It's not just used for no reason.

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Haven't got the DLC yet. So what happened?

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i see the first piece of the puzzle nothing more, oh and clearly leviathans are as stupidly arrogant as harbinger is, no wonder things keep going wrong for them

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I already love this thread...

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that pretty much summed it up lol