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[StElmo]

Baa Baa wrote...

StElmo wrote...

JShepppp wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

You won my heart for tonight:O

How great it is Applepie that we agree on something other than the tastiness of your picture haha 

Totally want applie pie right now cause you said that.

I want cherry pie and apple pie right now

We all do buddy, some comfort food right now would help all of us.

[StElmo]

Twinzam.V wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

I already love this thread...

I think the problem was with the minions. You cant get good minions these days. Next thing husks will form a union and ask for a pay raise.

I ike the reaper minions, husks and marauders were awesome creations

[corkey sweet]

StElmo wrote...

corkey sweet wrote...

StElmo wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

Edited. Thorian> Leviathan at thralling.

lol yeah, ergh, how did they make this whole reaper origin worse then it was!?!?! I liked the idea behind the catalyst, but it had SOME mystery to it, now it's just "oh we were like gods, but made the dumbest mistake ever by letting our THRALLS (the people we control) destroy themselves....

i think i was one of those people that thought this dlc could make the story worse. apparently i was correct. lol:pinched:

Thats nothing to be happy about. But you guessed right I think.

im not happy about it, i just never had any faith in bioware to make good dlc this time

[StElmo]

corkey sweet wrote...

StElmo wrote...

corkey sweet wrote...

StElmo wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

Edited. Thorian> Leviathan at thralling.

lol yeah, ergh, how did they make this whole reaper origin worse then it was!?!?! I liked the idea behind the catalyst, but it had SOME mystery to it, now it's just "oh we were like gods, but made the dumbest mistake ever by letting our THRALLS (the people we control) destroy themselves....

i think i was one of those people that thought this dlc could make the story worse. apparently i was correct. lol:pinched:

Thats nothing to be happy about. But you guessed right I think.

im not happy about it, i just never had any faith in bioware to make good dlc this time

Im the opposite, I think this is leading to something big. But right now I can only tell it how I see it.

[giftfish]

StElmo wrote...

Galbrant wrote...

Hmmm... I think I just saved ten dollars...

): maybe all the DLC's together will reveal something that makes it all make sense.

Somehow...I don't see that happening.

It would be one thing for BioWare to come around at this point, do a mea culpa, and then implement DLC/patches accordingly.  Implementing what you seem to be referring to a post or two up--BW revealing something in future DLC that will make everything all of a sudden make sense-- I  think will just ****** off the playerbase even more.  They'll feel like they were just jerked around for the past 6-12 months.  Bad idea.

Also:

JShepppp wrote...

"Yo Dawg, I heard you liked lesser
organics creating synthetics that destroyed them. So I created a
synthetic to stop synthetics from destroying lesser organics by
destroying us so you can destroy them since they destroyed us."

Edit: Added picture.

I was waiting for that to appear. 

Kudos, sir.

Modifié par giftfish, 28 août 2012 - 10:52 .

[Fireblader70]

The Leviathan tells us that they could not stop an entire civilisation from creating synthetics, so clearly their power is not all it's cracked up to be. Although they boast about controlling everything in the galaxy, that's clearly arrogance, and maybe a bit of exaggeration, as shown by their belief that creating an 'Intelligence' to sort our the problem (which they could not stop by themselves) would not fall into the same 'rebellious' category simply because they're the greatest.

In short, overly arrogant creatures that got a 'tool' to figure out a solution for them. Nothing more to it than that! Looks like said arrogance passed onto their synthetic counterparts.

[StElmo]

bsn is like reddit but with qft instead of karma

[StElmo]

Fireblader70 wrote...

The Leviathan tells us that they could not stop an entire civilisation from creating synthetics, so clearly their power is not all it's cracked up to be. Although they boast about controlling everything in the galaxy, that's clearly arrogance, and maybe a bit of exaggeration, as shown by their belief that creating an 'Intelligence' to sort our the problem (which they could not stop by themselves) would not fall into the same 'rebellious' category simply because they're the greatest.

In short, overly arrogant creatures that got a 'tool' to figure out a solution for them. Nothing more to it than that! Looks like said arrogance passed onto their synthetic counterparts.

Leviathan was able to stop these civilizations from doing things equally as intricate as AI but nope, AI was inevitable.. right.

[SkullStrife]

Yo dawg...

[inko1nsiderate]

It sounded to me that the Leviathans really thought of their thralls the way Cthuhlu thinks of humans, as in, they don't really care that much about their day-to-day behavior but enjoy the worship as gods. I naturally thought these societies largely functioned without realizing that their leaders were enthralled, sort of how the Batarian hegemony operated largely without anyone suspecting their leadership was entirely indoctrinated. This is probably the pattern that Vendetta talks about on Thessia. The hands of the Leviathans have lead to this subtle pattern that is inferred rather than directly observed. Even back before Reapers this was probably true.   Leviathans didn't want to directly enthrall every living thing, that'd take too much effort and would be beneath such glorious and perfect beings to touch so many filthy lesser species, so they created a tool to do the work for them.  Doesn't strike me as that odd.

I'd say one bad thing about this story: it makes the Leviathans a total rip-off of the Shadows from Babylon 5.

As to them not suspecting their AI would rebel, it's called hubris.  It is a pretty common theme in sci-fi, and is really believable when you meet a race that act essentially as old gods.

Modifié par inko1nsiderate, 29 août 2012 - 05:13 .

[RiouHotaru]

All it means is that the Leviathans didn't have absolute control. Which makes sense.

[marshalleck]

inko1nsiderate wrote...

I'd say one bad thing about this story: it makes the Leviathans a total rip-off of the Shadows from Babylon 5.

Well, no it doesn't really. The thing with the Shadows in B5 was a philosophical disagreement escalated to galactic warfare of epic poroportions. Don't confuse method with motive.

Modifié par marshalleck, 29 août 2012 - 05:15 .

[Greed1914]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Haven't got the DLC yet. So what happened?

Well, the Yo Dawg picture above is pretty accurate.  I'll say that. 

giftfish wrote...


Somehow...I don't see that happening.

It
would be one thing for BioWare to come around at this point, do a mea
culpa, and then implement DLC/patches accordingly.  Implementing what
you seem to be referring to a post or two up--BW revealing something in
future DLC that will make everything all of a sudden make sense-- I 
think will just ****** off the playerbase even more.  They'll feel like
they were just jerked around for the past 6-12 months.  Bad idea.

Agreed.  As great as it would be, to me anywy, to find out that there was something up their sleeve, I just don't see it happening because it could backfire pretty bad these days, and the best chance to salvage the situation has already passed.  It has been almost 6 months since the game came out, so I would think that if they had any sort of secret plan that would have quelled the fires, they would have either implemented it, or at least given solid information on what it would be. 

Modifié par Greed1914, 29 août 2012 - 05:26 .

[inko1nsiderate]

marshalleck wrote...

inko1nsiderate wrote...

I'd say one bad thing about this story: it makes the Leviathans a total rip-off of the Shadows from Babylon 5.

Well, no it doesn't really. The thing with the Shadows in B5 was a philosophical disagreement escalated to galactic warfare of epic poroportions. Don't confuse method with motive.

Ok, so it just makes them a total rip-off of how the Shadows from B5 operate, doesn't really make it much better does it?

[marshalleck]

inko1nsiderate wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

inko1nsiderate wrote...

I'd say one bad thing about this story: it makes the Leviathans a total rip-off of the Shadows from Babylon 5.

Well, no it doesn't really. The thing with the Shadows in B5 was a philosophical disagreement escalated to galactic warfare of epic poroportions. Don't confuse method with motive.

Ok, so it just makes them a total rip-off of how the Shadows from B5 operate, doesn't really make it much better does it?

Working behind the scenes, orchestrating events, being puppetmasters is not particularly unique to Shadows from B5. 

I would say though that a generous helping of inspiration from Babylon 5 in Mass Effect (more than there already is, particularly prevalent in ME1) would be a massive improvement.

[StElmo]

marshalleck wrote...

inko1nsiderate wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

inko1nsiderate wrote...

I'd say one bad thing about this story: it makes the Leviathans a total rip-off of the Shadows from Babylon 5.

Well, no it doesn't really. The thing with the Shadows in B5 was a philosophical disagreement escalated to galactic warfare of epic poroportions. Don't confuse method with motive.

Ok, so it just makes them a total rip-off of how the Shadows from B5 operate, doesn't really make it much better does it?

Working behind the scenes, orchestrating events, being puppetmasters is not particularly unique to Shadows from B5. 

I would say though that a generous helping of inspiration from Babylon 5 in Mass Effect (more than there already is, particularly prevalent in ME1) would be a massive improvement.

I assume babylon five actually puts effort into explaining inconsistencies though ammirite?

[StElmo]

RiouHotaru wrote...

All it means is that the Leviathans didn't have absolute control. Which makes sense.

why does it make sense?

[Applepie_Svk]

StElmo wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

All it means is that the Leviathans didn't have absolute control. Which makes sense.

why does it make sense?

Dunno dude but it took only 1 of that orb and they could control across whole galaxy colony for 10 years without problem, just think about that how many thralls they can control over one orb whole explanation that they lost control in some way over their thralls is so absurd.

[Dean_the_Young]

StElmo wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

All it means is that the Leviathans didn't have absolute control. Which makes sense.

why does it make sense?

Because people with a bit of it can realize that the Leviathan are arrogant. Arrogant people presume themselves more powerful than they actually are.

[Hudathan]

StElmo wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

All it means is that the Leviathans didn't have absolute control. Which makes sense.

why does it make sense?

They're clearly not all powerful as seen in the DLC, they're not gods. They need tools to serve them just like anyone else in the galaxy, albeit on a higher scale than most. If they were true masters of the galaxy like they claimed to be then they wouldn't have turned into Harbinger.

[WhiteKnyght]

Well I just finished Leviathan and I have to say that even beings that have evolved so much that they're almost godlike are still capable of remarkable **** ups because of their own arrogance.

Then they hide like cowards in fear of their own creation. They cause the Rachni Wars, they take pot shots and then leave everyone else to deal with the fallout.

I should do control, then sick the Reapers on those gigantic idiots!