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[The Angry One]

Leviathan! Hooray! Yeah I just couldn't stay away and had to check out the videos.
Though I must admit it is nice of them to attempt to amuse me so much.
I mean, it's hard work making such an incredibly dumb plot that my only reaction is giggling of the 1st order.

So yes, Leviathan. It seems that BioWare has been paying attention to the Catalyst apologists of late, in their latest attempt to defend it's actions.
Too bad that by doing so, they've made the Catalyst a liar (again), crazy or possibly both. It's especially hilarious when the Catalyst claims it was designed to make peace with synthetics, immediately admits that Leviathan's explanation (that it was designed to preserve life at all costs) is true, then repeats it's original claim shortly after.
Hey, BioWare. Either you intentionally made the Catalyst a lunatic, or you don't realise that these two things aren't the same!

Also, too bad that they've gone and made the entire debate as to the Catalyst's responsibility irrelevant. Think about it. Either the Catalyst betrayed it's creator's directives, in which case it's logic is toast and it can't be trusted or it's following the directives of creators who are confirmed to be evil control freak sociopaths in which case their logic which it follows is toast and it can't be trusted.

So yeah, thanks BioWare. The Catalyst is either a psychopath or the tool of psychopaths. Weren't you trying to apologise for it again? You're doing it wrong!
Also, thanks for confirming the creators were not only derps, but super grandmaster derps. "We saw that the lesser species who we controlled made machines that destroyed them. So instead of telling the remaining lesser species to knock it off or else we... decided to do exactly what they did." Uhuh.
And nice explanation for your defeat there, Leviathans. You can usurp control of Reaper minions and EMP bomb Sovereign class ships to death... but you couldn't defeat the Catalyst's information gathering pawns. Yeah, sure. Whatever.

In any case, thank you BioWare for a few minutes of youtube entertainment. It brightened my day.

[AresKeith]

so you heard about Leviathan then? lol

[AlRPG]

If they could control the "lesser" species. Couldn't they just stop them from building the dangerous AI?

[N7L4D]

 www.youtube.com/watch

[Ithurael]

AlRPG wrote...

If they could control the "lesser" species. Couldn't they just stop them from building the dangerous AI?

That bugged the hell outta me.

[RiouHotaru]

It's not a psychopath. It was programmed to "preserve organic life at all costs."

I don't get how "at all costs" gets by people. He did exactly what he was programmed to do, the Leviathan itself admits to such. It's STILL performing it's original duty. What they forgot was to specify that "at all cost" wasn't meant to be "turn us into the solution".

[Mr.House]

Really, I've just come to the point where I'm ignroing the ending. it never happen. I enjoyed the dlc alot and will incorporate it into my headcanon of the final battle and write this so called Intelligence in a way that makes sense when I finish my personal headcanon, but really. I think everyone should just ignore the ending. It's clear after three attempts, Bioware simply does not care.

[Fawx9]

AlRPG wrote...

If they could control the "lesser" species. Couldn't they just stop them from building the dangerous AI?

Ha you think logic works here? HA

[WindfishDude]

Yeah, the lore of the ME universe is just completely out of control at this point lol

I will however recommend Leviathan to everyone who wants to add some flavour to their ME3 experience. It's really fun, lenghty and with some great set-pieces.
There's more exploration, interaction and attention to detail than in any other vanilla mission in ME3, so if you got the money and you haven't sold ME3 yet, I say buy it. It's better than most of what is on the disc(s) already.

Modifié par WindfishDude, 29 août 2012 - 12:52 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I've been waiting for a TAO commentary on this. Thank you. You brightened my day.

It's a Bioware full retard plot.

[JSwisha]

Are people actually getting paid to come up with this cluster**** of a plot?

[AresKeith]

Ithurael wrote...

AlRPG wrote...

If they could control the "lesser" species. Couldn't they just stop them from building the dangerous AI?

That bugged the hell outta me.

because bad writing

[RiouHotaru]

AlRPG wrote...

If they could control the "lesser" species. Couldn't they just stop them from building the dangerous AI?

The arrogant, self-absorbed attitude of the Leviathans didn't make that obvious?  Their control wasn't absolute, they were just the dominant race of the galaxy.  Like how the Protheans were in their cycle.  It's actually funny how much the Prothean Cycle and the Leviathan Cycle mirror each other.

[The Angry One]

RiouHotaru wrote...

It's not a psychopath. It was programmed to "preserve organic life at all costs."

I don't get how "at all costs" gets by people. He did exactly what he was programmed to do, the Leviathan itself admits to such. It's STILL performing it's original duty. What they forgot was to specify that "at all cost" wasn't meant to be "turn us into the solution".

You miss the point. Either it's a psychopath, or it's following the commands given by psychopaths, since Leviathan tells us that the creators themselves were extremist, boorish, racist, control freaks.
Either way, any remaining claim that it's logic has any validity or that it's trustworthy are toast. Gone. BioWare shot themselves in the foot. Again.

This is of course assuming that it's the truth, because the Catalyst still claims otherwise and then contradicts itself. Somebody is lying. The question in either case is: Why?

RiouHotaru wrote...

The arrogant, self-absorbed attitude
of the Leviathans didn't make that obvious?  Their control wasn't
absolute, they were just the dominant race of the galaxy.  Like how the
Protheans were in their cycle.  It's actually funny how much the
Prothean Cycle and the Leviathan Cycle mirror each other.

Last I checked the Protheans practiced what they preached.
How the hell did the creators go from "Making AIs is bad and will inevitably destroy you." to "Let's make an AI! Aghast! We were totally unprepared for the possibility that it might destroy us!".

Modifié par The Angry One, 29 août 2012 - 12:55 .

[Mathias]

Why do I need a Degree to do what the writers at Bioware do?

[Bill Casey]

Leviathan reinforces that the idea "synthetics will eventually kill all organics" is incorrect...
The Reapers are advanced beyond measure and couldn't even wipe out their own creators in a billion years time...

[AlRPG]

If they can control Reapers, why didn't they go to the crucible in the 50000 year gap and destroy the AI intelligence or just CONTROL IT\\?, ITS UNDEFENDED!!!

[C9316]

So what the hell was the Leviathan's thought process!? "Oh these lesser races can't handle making machines, see how they end up destroying themselves!? How about we build a machine to make sure this doesn't happen! Surly nothing will go wrong, we're Leviathans!"

[RebelTitan428]

so many plot holes....and i hear this was wriiten by Weekes...

[Lookout1390]

Hiya TAO, did you have a good summer?

Your post always brings a smile to my face

[RiouHotaru]

The Angry One wrote...

You miss the point. Either it's a psychopath, or it's following the commands given by psychopaths, since Leviathan tells us that the creators themselves were extremist, boorish, racist, control freaks.
Either way, any remaining claim that it's logic has any validity or that it's trustworthy are toast. Gone. BioWare shot themselves in the foot. Again.

This is of course assuming that it's the truth, because the Catalyst still claims otherwise and then contradicts itself. Somebody is lying. The question in either case is: Why?

It's the second.  It's following the programming of a bunch of self-absorbed, arrgoant jerks.  They didn't wish for synthetics to overrun the galaxy, and created an AI to come up with an answer based on the information it gathered.  They foolishly believed that telling it "at all costs" meant "As long as we survive".

Again, NOTHING about the Catalyst has actually changed.  We already knew he was operating on a flawed solution to a problem that as it turns out, his creators, the Leviathans, CAUSED!  If the Leviathans didn't go around subjugating every lesser race, the races wouldn't have built synthetics.

And the cause of the synthetic conflict is the fear that the created synthetics would subjugate the creators.  Again, this doesn't change anything with regards to the Catalyst, except to prove what people theorized: His creators are a bunch of ****s.  I consider it ironic justice they got turned into the very thing they wanted to get rid of: Synthetics.

Modifié par RiouHotaru, 29 août 2012 - 12:58 .

[Pitznik]

You're not supposed to sympathize or agree with the Catalyst, and never were. You have the ability to do that, but you have the ability to not do it - what is the problem then? You prefer to believe that Bioware is trying to apologize and fail, instead of the much simpler interpretation that they don't.

[AresKeith]

RebelTitan428 wrote...

so many plot holes....and i hear this was wriiten by Weekes...

Mac made him do it lol

[chuckles471]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I've been waiting for a TAO commentary on this. Thank you. You brightened my day.

It's a Bioware full retard plot.

"Never go full retard".

[filetemo]

catalist pls