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AlanC9 wrote...

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The Normandy was totaled. You saw that on screen. The relays were toast. Nobody was leaving the Orion arm of the galaxy in less than an Asari lifetime. That's simple logistics. If this is not true, why'd they have to retcon it all?


Honestly, I would have preferred they left it as it was. Like I said, Normandy's almost certainly fairly close to Sol. So what if the fleets don't get to go home and have to found new colonies? The quarian liveships can keep themselves and the turians fed until they find a dextro planet someplace.


In the original cut the Normandy could have been anywhere. If you didn't notice they kinda just... appeared in the Relay jump. 

Also, being forced out of FTL apparently produces lethal radiation in the codex. 
 

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 thats because Mac screwed up with the original endings, and he had to fix and retcon the relays to badly damaged which also causes a Relay to go Supernova, but they thought some of us wouldn't catch that


But he failed to nova any planets to death when he had the chance. If that was his intent, he blew it.

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AlanC9 wrote...

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 thats because Mac screwed up with the original endings, and he had to fix and retcon the relays to badly damaged which also causes a Relay to go Supernova, but they thought some of us wouldn't catch that


But he failed to nova any planets to death when he had the chance. If that was his intent, he blew it.


yes he did blew it, and caused this big mess of retconning and damaging their own lore

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3DandBeyond wrote...

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The Mass Relays are defunct in Destroy. They weren't obliterated because that would turn the galaxy into a wasteland. But they're not coming back for all the same, atleast for a couple thousand years. That's the whole downside of Destroy, not losing the Geth or EDI.


I didn't see Leviathan's effect on the ending-is that now part of it?  Because in the EC destroy the kid says tech is damaged but easily repaired.  Unless that's why you now get extra dextro food in Leviathan so the Quarians and Turians won't starve on the trip home-ha ha.


I think Leviathan just adds some extra lines with the Catalyst, not actually extra scenes. EC's purpose is to try and make the player feel better about themselves, it doesn't include the bad parts. The Destroy epilogue doesn't show the Mass Relays being repaired and functional again like Control and Synthesis. Take what Glow Boy says with a hefty grain of salt, because he's full of ****.

Hackett: Everythings gonna be okay.

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NoUserNameHere wrote...


In the original cut the Normandy could have been anywhere. If you didn't notice they kinda just... appeared in the Relay jump. 

Also, being forced out of FTL apparently produces lethal radiation in the codex. 


Right. Therefore, they weren't forced out of FTL. They emerged exactly where they were going. My guess is it's Demeter, which seems to be the only extrasolar colony in the local cluster, though the Codex is a bit confusing here.

Sure, you can force a bad interpretation if you work at it, but you're fighting the material.

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AlanC9 wrote...

NoUserNameHere wrote...

The Normandy was totaled. You saw that on screen. The relays were toast. Nobody was leaving the Orion arm of the galaxy in less than an Asari lifetime. That's simple logistics. If this is not true, why'd they have to retcon it all?


Honestly, I would have preferred they left it as it was. Like I said, Normandy's almost certainly fairly close to Sol. So what if the fleets don't get to go home and have to found new colonies? The quarian liveships can keep themselves and the turians fed until they find a dextro planet someplace.

That couldn't have happened.  They retconned it because it couldn't.  The relays were intended to destroy everything and they still have the Desperate Measures codex that they never explained so they had to forget about destroying the relays, but in the EC, the one relay still looks ruptured which would ruin terrestrial planets in the Sol system. 

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Greylycantrope wrote...

Leviathan best $10 I never spent


I wish I could spend $10 and completely erase the Catalyst, the ending and all things lore-breaking in Mass Effect 3 from my mind. Alas enjoyment of the Mass Effect series remains tarnished by the pitiful plot of the third installment.

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Conniving_Eagle wrote...

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The Mass Relays are defunct in Destroy. They weren't obliterated because that would turn the galaxy into a wasteland. But they're not coming back for all the same, atleast for a couple thousand years. That's the whole downside of Destroy, not losing the Geth or EDI.


I didn't see Leviathan's effect on the ending-is that now part of it?  Because in the EC destroy the kid says tech is damaged but easily repaired.  Unless that's why you now get extra dextro food in Leviathan so the Quarians and Turians won't starve on the trip home-ha ha.


I think Leviathan just adds some extra lines with the Catalyst, not actually extra scenes. EC's purpose is to try and make the player feel better about themselves, it doesn't include the bad parts. The Destroy epilogue doesn't show the Mass Relays being repaired and functional again like Control and Synthesis. Take what Glow Boy says with a hefty grain of salt, because he's full of ****.

Hackett: Everythings gonna be okay.

EDI: I'm a real boy!

Shepard: Image IPB


Oh I agree he is-I also believe the ending scenes are full of the same excrement as well.  The idea that Hackett's vision is of the easily repaired Citadel is crazy too.

I found it rather hilarious that after Leviathan my Shepard went in and talked to Ashley and she said something about it and then said the only thing she knew was that destroying the reapers was the best thing to do.

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Ownedbacon wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Leviathan best $10 I never spent


I wish I could spend $10 and completely erase the Catalyst, the ending and all things lore-breaking in Mass Effect 3 from my mind. Alas enjoyment of the Mass Effect series remains tarnished by the pitiful plot of the third installment.


I'd consider spending $20 for that.

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AresKeith wrote...

yes he did blew it, and caused this big mess of retconning and damaging their own lore


If you like. What Mac wanted doesn't really hold my interest for long. The point is, the pre-EC endings don't show any disaster beyond the relays being gone. AtreiyaN7 had the right interpretation all along.

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One things thats bothering me. In ME2 we stumble across that 37 million year old reaper.

How have the Leviathans survived for that long, twiddling their thumbs at the bottom of an ocean?

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AlanC9 wrote...

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yes he did blew it, and caused this big mess of retconning and damaging their own lore


If you like. What Mac wanted doesn't really hold my interest for long. The point is, the pre-EC endings don't show any disaster beyond the relays being gone. AtreiyaN7 had the right interpretation all along.


I already told you why it doesn't show any of it, and it doesn't matter if didn't show it. That shows that Mac completely went against their own lore and codex about a Mass Relay being destroyed

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I youtubed the DLC. I didn't want to spend money on this game after the EC. I think I made the right choice. The only good (and still buggy) part of this game is now the multiplayer.

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Leviathan was awesome. Thanks Bioware!!!

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I couldn't give two ****s where Leviaderp takes this story. It's officially a parody to me. The more they explore these things that don't need exploration, the more pointless and retarded everything associated with Mass Effect is. I liked it better when there was Shepard, his Squad, the galactic races and the reapers. It's a bigger mess than the Crisis storylines from DC and an even bigger clusterf**** than anything I can conceive. It is quite sad to see but amusing more than anything. I have to wonder if BioWare really did give the okay on Deception and only intend to modify the diction within the book. DAYUM.

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AlanC9 wrote...

The Citadel blows and doesn't destroy Earth. Normandy crashes on an intact planet. So the only two planets we see where relays blow aren't destroyed. You really figured that those two were just magic exceptions?

Crashing an asteroid into a relay causes an uncontrolled release of energy. Using the Crucible on a relay does not; the energy is tapped and used to perform work. Highly specific work.


In theory, yes. Just because something happens on scene does not equate to plausibility, hence the term plot hole. Say we are shown Shepard breathing in outer space in her casual wear. By your logic, because we have witnessed this, it can happen despite it not making a lick of sense. Exposition is a necessary component if one intends to alter a previously established plot point. All we know of the relays is when one is destroyed, it goes supernova, which itself is a retcon because in Mass Effect, the Mu Relay withstood a supernova.

How do we know the Crucible would not have a similar effect? In fact, the cinematic show the relay engulfed in a massive explosion and later displays an aftershock visual on the galaxy map. The only way we may have known beforehand is through accepting the Catalyst's flawed logic. Alas, he never even mentions this nor does Shepard bring it up.

As for stranded, unless you want to headcanon that Normandy went on some complicated multiple-relay journey before the relays blew, they're somewhere within the Charon relay's range. That's not more than a few weeks travel.


Disregarding the relay qualms. How would the Normandy leave the planet? It was severely damaged and no one knew of its location. It may be a few weeks travel, assuming the Normandy could fly again.

Bio tweeted that you had a bad interpretation because you did have a bad interpretation.


Yes, our interpretation was so bad BioWare decided to retcon the whole thing. That makes perfect sense.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 29 août 2012 - 04:29 .


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3DandBeyond wrote...

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Honestly, I would have preferred they left it as it was.

That couldn't have happened.  They retconned it because it couldn't.  The relays were intended to destroy everything and they still have the Desperate Measures codex that they never explained so they had to forget about destroying the relays, but in the EC, the one relay still looks ruptured which would ruin terrestrial planets in the Sol system. 


This makes no sense. Even if you want to handwave away the jungle planet being un-novaed, and say that the Citadel blew up Earth a couple of minutes after we saw it not blowing up Earth, most inhabited worlds don't have relays in their system in the first place. Or are we now supposed to headcanon that they all do have relays that just didn't get into he game?

Maybe Mac wanted to destroy the whole galaxy except for one magically protected planet. But the game never showed any such thing. I get that you were really sad about Shep dying and wanted the whole universe to go down with him, but Mac didn't get the job done.

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It's not a psychopath. It was programmed to "preserve organic life at all costs."

I don't get how "at all costs" gets by people. He did exactly what he was programmed to do, the Leviathan itself admits to such. It's STILL performing it's original duty. What they forgot was to specify that "at all cost" wasn't meant to be "turn us into the solution".


If the Catalyst is trying to preserve organic life at all costs, why would it bring you up to the Crucible and allow you to control or destroy his solution? Furthermore, why wouldn't he simply build the Crucible and activate synthesis? We were able to build it in the middle of a total war. Surely a being with the power and wherewithal to create and control the Reapers would be able to build the Crucible. Did he just give up? 

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Conniving_Eagle wrote...

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Leviathan best $10 I never spent


What did you spend your Leviathan money on? I spent mine on groceries.


a bottle of red wine to celebrate youtube and all it's glory! Watched it for free and got a buzz with the money I saved
also made the stupid leviathan logic much easier to swallow
:P

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It would be "Bioware is trying to make me laugh" as a organization, Bioware is a singular entity.

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So mad.

Loving this thread  B)

Modifié par Rubios, 29 août 2012 - 06:01 .


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Leviathan! Hooray!

 :(But they said there is an artistic integrity ?! :( Where - did I miss something ??? :lol:

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I spent my $10 on groceries. Bioware makes me laugh more.