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[LadyWench]

Pitznik wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

It's kind of like if you were asked with preserving a priceless vase at all cost you then decide "oh I'm gonna smash this vase into a 1000 pieces with a hammer.. that will preserve it..yup" rather than actually do something against whatever threatened the vase.

No. It is more like encasing it in a block of concrete. Is it preserved? Yes, yes it is. Is it still useful/pretty/having ANY vaselike qualities? No. Literally correct, yet still totally not what supposed to happen.

Pitznik, I like the cut of your jib.

[TK514]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Well, he wanted to do Synthesis because that was the best long-term solution to preserve life.  But that didn't work.  So he had to do the next best thing: Reapers.

I'm dying to know how the Reapers and their methods are 'the next best thing' to Synthesis.  Right off the top of my head, showing up every so often with a PSA film titled 'Why Synthetic Life Is Bad' and wiping out all non-organic life would have been infinitely closer to on-target.  Not to mention substantially easier if the Geth and the previous cycle's cybernetic hybrids are any indication of how trivial it is for the Reapers to control synthetics.

Heck, if synthesis is the goal, you'd think the previous cycle's hybrids would have been worth a lot more to the catalyst than 'have the synthetic half kill the organic half and take over, lol'.

In fact, I'm still pretty iffy on how 'exterminate all advanced life, keeping one flavor of jam in a reaper shaped jar every cycle' is more effective or efficient than 'issue an unambiguous message about the dangers of synthetic life and then destroy any tech more advanced than fire'.

[Lochmonster2012]

hey maaaze if your still on here (only read up to page 4), can you answer the questions i asked yet? in the last topic that i talked to you in???

and since when do we have rampant AI (as TAO said the catalyst is a psychopathic AI) in mass effect i thought they were only in halo, [sentance redacted] whoops shouldnt go off-topic might get banned by new site rules only just read them.

Modifié par Lochmonster2012, 29 août 2012 - 10:30 .

[dreman9999]

TK514 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Well, he wanted to do Synthesis because that was the best long-term solution to preserve life.  But that didn't work.  So he had to do the next best thing: Reapers.

I'm dying to know how the Reapers and their methods are 'the next best thing' to Synthesis.  Right off the top of my head, showing up every so often with a PSA film titled 'Why Synthetic Life Is Bad' and wiping out all non-organic life would have been infinitely closer to on-target.  Not to mention substantially easier if the Geth and the previous cycle's cybernetic hybrids are any indication of how trivial it is for the Reapers to control synthetics.

Heck, if synthesis is the goal, you'd think the previous cycle's hybrids would have been worth a lot more to the catalyst than 'have the synthetic half kill the organic half and take over, lol'.

In fact, I'm still pretty iffy on how 'exterminate all advanced life, keeping one flavor of jam in a reaper shaped jar every cycle' is more effective or efficient than 'issue an unambiguous message about the dangers of synthetic life and then destroy any tech more advanced than fire'.

Because what they are doing is a sysnthesis. A reapers is an entire race merged as a machine. Tha is  a synthesis ...A flawed sysnthesis but a synthesis.

[blacqout]

Angryone needs to learn the difference between psychopath and sociopath. The Leviathans can only really be described as the latter.

[Krozuhsky]

Oh TAO, you awesome, awesome gal.

[Mazebook]

Lochmonster2012 wrote...

hey maaaze if your still on here (only read up to page 4), can you answer the questions i asked yet? in the last topic that i talked to you in???

and since when do we have rampant AI (as TAO said the catalyst is a psychopathic AI) in mass effect i thought they were only in halo, [sentance redacted] whoops shouldnt go off-topic might get banned by new site rules only just read them.

sure,
which one was that?
I must have missed it.

EDIT:
Found it!
sorry that i missed it.
will reply after dinner.

Modifié par maaaze, 29 août 2012 - 11:43 .

[Lochmonster2012]

maaaze wrote...

Lochmonster2012 wrote...

hey maaaze if your still on here (only read up to page 4), can you answer the questions i asked yet? in the last topic that i talked to you in???

and since when do we have rampant AI (as TAO said the catalyst is a psychopathic AI) in mass effect i thought they were only in halo, [sentance redacted] whoops shouldnt go off-topic might get banned by new site rules only just read them.

sure,
which one was that?
I must have missed it.

umm, it was a while ago i was asking to clarify a few points and i had 3 points i wanted answered you couldnt make out the second one and i put a response to your responses of the point 1 and 3 i made, just cant remeber which thread, oh well but i think i made a few good points in my response tho.

[3DandBeyond]

AresKeith wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

yes he did blew it, and caused this big mess of retconning and damaging their own lore

If you like. What Mac wanted doesn't really hold my interest for long. The point is, the pre-EC endings don't show any disaster beyond the relays being gone. AtreiyaN7 had the right interpretation all along.

I already told you why it doesn't show any of it, and it doesn't matter if didn't show it. That shows that Mac completely went against their own lore and codex about a Mass Relay being destroyed

Exactly right-it's a mess when writers and devs don't adhere to their own lore.  They meant it to be as interpreted and then couldn't admit that when people complained or wondered about it.  But, apparently they always meant (and we were supposed to just know this) for the Normandy to swoop down in front of Harbinger and grab up 2 teammates.  The Normandy was just invisible the first time around and in the EC it must have gotten the 2 at the conduit and then flown back to the FOB to get the others that were sipping tea and let Shepard go on ahead. 

[tettenjager]

Why are you still on these forums?

[3DandBeyond]

Pitznik wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

It's kind of like if you were asked with preserving a priceless vase at all cost you then decide "oh I'm gonna smash this vase into a 1000 pieces with a hammer.. that will preserve it..yup" rather than actually do something against whatever threatened the vase.

No. It is more like encasing it in a block of concrete. Is it preserved? Yes, yes it is. Is it still useful/pretty/having ANY vaselike qualities? No. Literally correct, yet still totally not what supposed to happen.

Actually, it's a smashed up vase that is somehow liquified that is then put inside a smart car's back seat, while the flowers inside the vase sit in the driver's seat.  The kid is saying that's the same as them being in the vase.  And, he only has regard for either the flowers or the vase, but thinks he's preserving the flowers.  We have no idea how he really will use the vase.

[Memnon]

The Angry One wrote...
Also, thanks for confirming the creators were not only derps, but super grandmaster derps. "We saw that the lesser species who we controlled made machines that destroyed them. So instead of telling the remaining lesser species to knock it off or else we... decided to do exactly what they did." Uhuh.

This is really what stood out to me - and I made a post a month or so ago basically calling the creators morons, Leviathan basically confirmed it. They saw organics building machines, and the machines turning on them. So these geniuses ... built a machine to solve the problem.

Modifié par Stornskar, 29 août 2012 - 01:18 .

[Urdnot Amenark]

Stornskar wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
Also, thanks for confirming the creators were not only derps, but super grandmaster derps. "We saw that the lesser species who we controlled made machines that destroyed them. So instead of telling the remaining lesser species to knock it off or else we... decided to do exactly what they did." Uhuh.

This is really what stood out to me - and I made a post a month or so ago basically calling the creators morons, Leviathan basically confirmed it. They saw organics building machines, and the machines turning on them. So these geniuses ... built a machine to solve the problem.

That's the problem with arrogance. They viewed the other races as being so inferior that they never thought their technology would yield the same results.

[MegaSovereign]

TK514 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Well, he wanted to do Synthesis because that was the best long-term solution to preserve life.  But that didn't work.  So he had to do the next best thing: Reapers.

I'm dying to know how the Reapers and their methods are 'the next best thing' to Synthesis.  Right off the top of my head, showing up every so often with a PSA film titled 'Why Synthetic Life Is Bad' and wiping out all non-organic life would have been infinitely closer to on-target.  Not to mention substantially easier if the Geth and the previous cycle's cybernetic hybrids are any indication of how trivial it is for the Reapers to control synthetics.

Heck, if synthesis is the goal, you'd think the previous cycle's hybrids would have been worth a lot more to the catalyst than 'have the synthetic half kill the organic half and take over, lol'.

In fact, I'm still pretty iffy on how 'exterminate all advanced life, keeping one flavor of jam in a reaper shaped jar every cycle' is more effective or efficient than 'issue an unambiguous message about the dangers of synthetic life and then destroy any tech more advanced than fire'.

Because letting organics be aware of the Reapers existence would be too problematic for the Catalyst.

Plus over time the Reapers will need to replenish their numbers. Guess what: that requires them to harvest organics.

[Kel Riever]

Okay, TAO, like this:

It just can't matter, the explanations, anymore. Because we all know the ending(s) are atrocious and BioWare prefers atrocious over doing something well. It reeks like rancid ego. Nobody thinks BioWare can't do the job. It is just clear that they will not. Some people move on. I, however, completely approve of as much dragging their name through the mud as they deserve.

And if they never fix what is obviously broken, then never stop mocking them. You know, we can aspire to endless heights of making fun of them, because everything they do just keeps on piling onto it. I appreciate your fairly detailed roto-rooter job on Leviathan. Of course, addressing all these issues concerningLeviathan with even the slightest intellect still gives more credit than BioWare, the stinky faced kid on the block, deserves.

Modifié par Kel Riever, 29 août 2012 - 02:39 .

[BatmanPWNS]

They're all fools, we should eat them.

[Whatever42]

Clearly the starchild and the Reapers are insane. Why does everyone expect it to make sense. A berserk computer completely missing the real purpose of its directive is right out of several episodes of Star Trek.

[Jassu1979]

filetemo wrote...

catalist pls

LOL. I read that as "capitalist pigs".

[CaptainCommander]

I can only think that when the Alliance Headquarters were attacked in ME3 that Shepard was put into a coma and that all the events of ME3 are in his head. Its the only way that any of this nonsense that Bioware keeps handing us can make any sense! Do none of the writers know the lore of the ME universe? Do they even use the same writers? Cause this is the same game and it still contradicts itself!

[SkullStrife]

Stornskar wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
Also, thanks for confirming the creators were not only derps, but super grandmaster derps. "We saw that the lesser species who we controlled made machines that destroyed them. So instead of telling the remaining lesser species to knock it off or else we... decided to do exactly what they did." Uhuh.

This is really what stood out to me - and I made a post a month or so ago basically calling the creators morons, Leviathan basically confirmed it. They saw organics building machines, and the machines turning on them. So these geniuses ... built a machine to solve the problem.

http://i0.kym-cdn.co...genius-meme.png

yeah, that´s what happens when a writter is so stubborn that keeps diggin further into their own mess

Modifié par SkullStrife, 29 août 2012 - 03:09 .

[Memnon]

Urdnot Amenark wrote...

Stornskar wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
Also, thanks for confirming the creators were not only derps, but super grandmaster derps. "We saw that the lesser species who we controlled made machines that destroyed them. So instead of telling the remaining lesser species to knock it off or else we... decided to do exactly what they did." Uhuh.

This is really what stood out to me - and I made a post a month or so ago basically calling the creators morons, Leviathan basically confirmed it. They saw organics building machines, and the machines turning on them. So these geniuses ... built a machine to solve the problem.

That's the problem with arrogance. They viewed the other races as being so inferior that they never thought their technology would yield the same results.

I guess I'm confused ... why didn't the Leviathans, who obviously had some level of control over their "thralls," just tell them to stop building advanced AI. Just say, hey guys, you can make machines up to this level of sophistication, but that's it. .. do it because we say so. Why build a freaking machine when all they keep seeing are instances of machines rising up against their creators? Seems like there is a fine line between hubris and idiocy here

Modifié par Stornskar, 29 août 2012 - 03:15 .

[Applepie_Svk]

Stornskar wrote...

I guess I'm confused ... why didn't the Leviathans, who obviously had some level of control over their "thralls," just tell them to stop building advanced AI. Just say, hey guys, you can make machines up to this level of sophistication, but that's it. .. do it because we say so. Why build a freaking machine when all they keep seeing are instances of machines rising up against their creators? Seems like there is a fine line between hubris and idiocy here

Bad writing ... 

[Taleroth]

It's just getting more absurd to me. "Preserve life at any costs." Well, any cost turns out to be 99% of all life. With the remaining 1% being preserved only in the dumbest possible interpretation of "preserve." Strawberry Jam is not alive. It merely stays fresh. I'm surprised to realize Leviathans even made jam, let alone called it a preserve. Preserve's definitions are a quirk of the english language, not universal fact.

It's just strange how an AI can violate the spirit of its programming (keep our servants alive so they may serve us) but pick a particular english interpretation of the letter alone (pulverize them and stick them in jars). A learning process should be capable of reflecting back and going "oh man, I totally buggered that up" so long as it has an intelligence above animal level.

Modifié par Taleroth, 29 août 2012 - 03:28 .