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[The Angry One]

Urdnot Amenark wrote...

AlRPG wrote...

If they can control Reapers, why didn't they go to the crucible in the 50000 year gap and destroy the AI intelligence or just CONTROL IT?, ITS UNDEFENDED!!!

No, why the fxxk can't they do that now, let alone build more artifacts given how powerful and intelligent they are? ZOMG. They freaking created the Catalyst, but they can't deactivate it now, or atleast tell Shepard how? Those are my biggest questions.

Or even tell Shepard that it's on the Citadel. I sorta think that's a really important thing to know.
But of course they can't say it because it would break the plot, so Shepard doesn't ask the obvious question and the Leviathans don't provide the answer that would aid their victory.

[Animositisomina]

ohupthis wrote...

Animositisomina wrote...

How is this jackoff not banned yet? Honestly, all he/she/it does is troll this forum 24/7.

Hey, just who are you mirroring there?

Ronald McDonald, during his formative years as a raw meat fetishist.

[C9316]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Leviathan best $10 I never spent

What did you spend your Leviathan money on? I spent mine on groceries.

I'm saving it for a possible trip to europe in the future..

Modifié par C9316, 29 août 2012 - 01:39 .

[TheRealBugz]

Good thing i saved my money then...

[Mazebook]

Well titel proves one thing...

your ego is infinite.

 It seems that BioWare has been paying attention to the Catalyst apologists of late, in their latest attempt to defend it's actions. 

yeah. it only takes a few weeks to write a DLC, record, make maps and gameplay around it. Leviathan was most likely written and recorded along with the EC. If you haven´t notice. just like in the EC...joker has no special dialoge to the mission. So no, this is not a reaction to any discussion held in the last 2 months.

Too bad that by doing so, they've made the Catalyst a liar (again), crazy or possibly both 

First, this proves that the Catalyst did not lie, second it can´t be crazy if it is just doing what it was created to do.

Catalyst claims it was designed to make peace with synthetics, immediately admits that Leviathan's explanation (that it was designed to preserve life at all costs) is true, then repeats it's original claim shortly after. 
Hey, BioWare. Either you intentionally made the Catalyst a lunatic, or you don't realise that these two things aren't the same!

It always said it preserves Organic ...just as Synthetic life. It sees them both as equal.

Also, too bad that they've gone and made the entire debate as to the Catalyst's responsibility irrelevant. Think about it. Either the Catalyst betrayed it's creator's directives, in which case it's logic is toast and it can't be trusted or it's following the directives of creators who are confirmed to be evil control freak sociopaths in which case their logic which it follows is toast and it can't be trusted. 

The leviathans saw themselfs as gods. gods who cared about the little ones who always destroyed themselfs. The logic is as sound as ever, because the problem has not changed. Giving the Partys lables as evil and sociopaths without justfing it makes your argument as weak as it can gets.

The Catalyst had never responsibilty. This much was clear even in the original ending. He did what he was created to do. The Gods did not see themselfs challenged . they underestimated the synthetics. They were as arrogant as the reapers. Their downfall is the same. The logic is the same. The level of trust you can give the Catalyst is the same.

So yeah, thanks BioWare. The Catalyst is either a psychopath or the tool of psychopaths. Weren't you trying to apologise for it again? You're doing it wrong! 

Who said that Bioware wants to apologise for anything? Do you have discussions in your head that only you can hear?

"We saw that the lesser species who we controlled made machines that destroyed them. So instead of telling the remaining lesser species to knock it off or else we... decided to do exactly what they did." 

Who said that they did not try this? They most likely did if they had seen the Problems arise. but guess what?!
it did not work. Arrogance of Power is something the Reapers and Leviathans share. They did not think the Catalyst would be able to defeat them...as the Reapers did not thought that Shepard could defeat them.

A word of advise.
the world does not turn around you!
You should seek a more humble state of mind.

[C9316]

Hey I just realized something, if the catalyst or 'The Intelligence' as Leviathan calls it always resided in the Citadel, doesn't this contradict the Reapers supposedly creating the Citadel and perhaps the Relays?

[AresKeith]

oh maaaze

Modifié par AresKeith, 29 août 2012 - 01:40 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Leviathan best $10 I never spent

What did you spend your Leviathan money on? I spent mine on groceries.

Greylycantrope wrote...
Went to the movies over the weekend.

The Angry One wrote...
Bacardi.

AresKeith wrote...
I'm saving it for AC3 lol

C9316 wrote...
I'm saving it to for a possible trip to europe in the future..

This is becoming it's own thread.

[Mazebook]

AresKeith wrote...

oh maaaze

thats my catchphrase:whistle:

[Ticonderoga117]

RiouHotaru wrote...
It's not a psychopath. It was programmed to "preserve organic life at all costs."

Preserving...

...YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.

Modifié par Ticonderoga117, 29 août 2012 - 01:43 .

[JShepppp]

C9316 wrote...

Hey I just realized something, if the catalyst or 'The Intelligence' as Leviathan calls it always resided in the Citadel, doesn't this contradict the Reapers supposedly creating the Citadel and perhaps the Relays?

It probably didn't reside in the Citadel at first if the Citadel was built after Harbinger was created (we know the Reapers built the mass relays explicitly, but I don't think it was explicitly said they built the Citadel).

Either way, the location of the Catalyst isn't exactly the biggest issue. I'm sure it could've moved around if needed.

[Anacronian Stryx]

I'm getting concerned about MSG's claim to the throne of the most retarded serial game story line might be in jeopardy.

[Boneyaards]

Honestly, it was probably one of the most interesting DLC's I have spent 800 MS points on in a while. I do not feel the slightest bit of regret for downloading it, and I was impressed with what it had to offer.

Out of all the people who hate Leviathan:

90% are bitter because it doesn't change the ending.
10% actually have rational opinions on why Leviathan was not an enjoyable DLC.

Let the flood of people denying the above two statements commence!

[The Angry One]

maaaze wrote...

Well titel proves one thing...

your ego is infinite.

Levity is lost on the young, it seems.

yeah. it only takes a few weeks to write a DLC, record, make maps and gameplay around it. Leviathan was most likely written and recorded along with the EC. If you haven´t notice. just like in the EC...joker has no special dialoge to the mission. So no, this is not a reaction to any discussion held in the last 2 months.

So why does it contradict the EC?

First, this proves that the Catalyst did not lie, second it can´t be crazy if it is just doing what it was created to do.

Either Leviathan or the Catalyst is lying. Since the Catalyst contradicts itself, it's likely the latter. This also makes it appear insane.

It always said it preserves Organic ...just as Synthetic life. It sees them both as equal.

Listen to the Catalyst. In the EC it states it was created to bring peace between organics and synthetics.

The leviathans saw themselfs as gods. gods who cared about the little ones who always destroyed themselfs. The logic is as sound as ever, because the problem has not changed. Giving the Partys lables as evil and sociopaths without justfing it makes your argument as weak as it can gets.

Yet again, "They're not psychopaths, they just behave like them!".

The Catalyst had never responsibilty. This much was clear even in the original ending. He did what he was created to do. The Gods did not see themselfs challenged . they underestimated the synthetics. They were as arrogant as the reapers. Their downfall is the same. The logic is the same. The level of trust you can give the Catalyst is the same.

They are untrustworthy, hence that which follows their directives is too. They're also completely illogical, and you're still ignoring the contradiction.

Who said that Bioware wants to apologise for anything? Do you have discussions in your head that only you can hear?

They created the Catalyst as a genocidal maniac, suddenly realised that cooperating with a genocidal maniac is, you know, bad and have spent every DLC since trying to justify it.

Who said that they did not try this? They most likely did if they had seen the Problems arise. but guess what?!
it did not work. Arrogance of Power is something the Reapers and Leviathans share. They did not think the Catalyst would be able to defeat them...as the Reapers did not thought that Shepard could defeat them.

If it didn't work, this would've proved that they were not all powerful.
If they could not control the lesser species, how could they control an AI? Do the one thing BioWare no longer wants you to do. Think.

A word of advise.
the world does not turn around you!
You should seek a more humble state of mind.

Take my advice. Taking obiviously facetious thread titles seriously never ends well.

Modifié par The Angry One, 29 août 2012 - 01:46 .

[Unschuld]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

I'm getting concerned about MSG's claim to the throne of the most retarded serial game story line might be in jeopardy.

Scary, but it's still going to require quite a bit more effort for that.

[AlRPG]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...
It's not a psychopath. It was programmed to "preserve organic life at all costs."

Preserving...

...YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.

You would think the would have programmed the Crucible/reapers with a more specific and less vague "mission",

[Anacronian Stryx]

Boneyaards wrote...

Honestly, it was probably one of the most interesting DLC's I have spent 800 MS points on in a while. I do not feel the slightest bit of regret for downloading it, and I was impressed with what it had to offer.

Out of all the people who hate Leviathan:

90% are bitter because it doesn't change the ending.
10% actually have rational opinions on why Leviathan was not an enjoyable DLC.

Let the flood of people denying the above two statements commence!

I actually dont hate it, I like Mass Effect like i love a Mystery science theater 3000 marathon and Levithan just upped the comedy.

[Anacronian Stryx]

Unschuld wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

I'm getting concerned about MSG's claim to the throne of the most retarded serial game story line might be in jeopardy.

Scary, but it's still going to require quite a bit more effort for that.

yeah but still .. this is the best contender there have been for decades.

[JamieCOTC]

Headcanoning that the Catalyst is insane has always worked for me. The inconsistencies, purposeful or not, simply help that theory along.

[JShepppp]

On topic, OP (The Angry One), I know you and I agree about Mass Effect stuff...very little, but I think you will like this yo dawg meme I made earlier.



As a side note though, the only thing factually the DLC did was give more support to the Catalyst's assertion that the created will always rebel against the creators and the impossibility of eternal peace by giving some examples. They also said that synthetics entirely wiping out their creators had happened in the past. There was also an interesting side twist that the Leviathans were the Rachni instigators, though that's conjecture, just as Reaper indoctrination for the Rachni is conjecture as well (never explicitly stated).

Those Leviathans though are bad news. If they're still hanging around after the Reapers are dead, there's another possible war, because clearly they think that they're the apex no matter what. Hell, they won't even fight for you or for organics or for the atrocities the Reapers committed - they fight because they're the "apex" and the Reapers owe them some kind of "tribute" in "blood". Them and their tributes.

But yeah, they fight for their pride, and as the Reapers kind of pissed them off, the Reapers are the first to pay tribute. After the Reapers, we may very well be next.

[MegaSovereign]

Boneyaards wrote...

Honestly, it was probably one of the most interesting DLC's I have spent 800 MS points on in a while. I do not feel the slightest bit of regret for downloading it, and I was impressed with what it had to offer.

Out of all the people who hate Leviathan:

90% are bitter because it doesn't change the ending.
10% actually have rational opinions on why Leviathan was not an enjoyable DLC.

Let the flood of people denying the above two statements commence!

I hate made up statistics.

But I agree with everything else you said. The DLC was geared toward fleshing out the lore and grounding the concept of the Catalyst with the Reapers.

TAO wrote off Leviathan way before the DLC actually came out, and some of her arguments seem to have no real....direction. "The Catalyst cannot be trusted!" Okay? How does that make the narrative laughably bad as the title suggests? 

I'm sorry that peoples' feelings toward the endings made them bitter toward anything Bioware churns up. Doesn't really seem like a win-win for anybody.

[BoomDynamite]

The Catalyst is a bipolar AI that is also rogue.
[/allcatalystdiscussions]

[The Angry One]

Sure, Leviathan claims that some "lesser species" were wiped out, again with no context. (Did these machines become a greater problem? If not, then this is irrelevant.).

Also, the DLC completely contradicts the idea that organic life must be preserved. Because even the Reapers couldn't wipe out their own creators. The "first" intelligent species. After billions of years. Come on. You could shove continents through that plot hole.

MegaSovereign wrote...

TAO wrote off Leviathan way before
the DLC actually came out, and some of her arguments seem to have no
real....direction. "The Catalyst cannot be trusted!" Okay? How does that
make the narrative laughably bad as the title suggests?

Don't cherry pick. That alone doesn't. That is just a single flaw that makes the ending choice require metagaming.
The contradictions and interactions with the already established ending are what make it laughable.

I'm
sorry that peoples' feelings toward the endings made them bitter toward
anything Bioware churns up. Doesn't really seem like a win-win for
anybody.

I was willing to give Leviathan the benefit of the doubt despite my predictions.
Tis not my fault it fulfilled my predicitions and turned the ending into even more of a self-contradictory cluste****.

Modifié par The Angry One, 29 août 2012 - 01:55 .

[Ghost]

All of TAO posts are invalid because TAO refused to answer my question because I was right.

Modifié par Ghost1017, 29 août 2012 - 01:59 .

[AresKeith]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Boneyaards wrote...

Honestly, it was probably one of the most interesting DLC's I have spent 800 MS points on in a while. I do not feel the slightest bit of regret for downloading it, and I was impressed with what it had to offer.

Out of all the people who hate Leviathan:

90% are bitter because it doesn't change the ending.
10% actually have rational opinions on why Leviathan was not an enjoyable DLC.

Let the flood of people denying the above two statements commence!

I hate made up statistics.

But I agree with everything else you said. The DLC was geared toward fleshing out the lore and grounding the concept of the Catalyst with the Reapers.

TAO wrote off Leviathan way before the DLC actually came out, and some of her arguments seem to have no real....direction. "The Catalyst cannot be trusted!" Okay? How does that make the narrative laughably bad as the title suggests? 

I'm sorry that peoples' feelings toward the endings made them bitter toward anything Bioware churns up. Doesn't really seem like a win-win for anybody.

except for that's not really the case why some of us didn't like Leviathan

Modifié par AresKeith, 29 août 2012 - 01:55 .