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[Ranger1337]

I actually understand what you mean . Liara , Tali and Javik are fully capable of sorting through the mess in Bryson's lab as well . The thing is , though , Leviathan is a quickly losing trail . Shepard needed someone who could get clues ... fast . The only one able to do that is EDI . Why ? You say Liara is an archaeologist and the Shadow Broker too . But what she took 106 years to do so . EDI could probably hack every corner of the extranet and learn everything it takes to be an archaeologist in the time you take to make a sandwich . EDI is superior because she is an AI . She can do things FASTER than any of your squadmates . If ordered to , she can be a better (and she is) tech expert and SNIPER than Garrus , a better Geth expert than Tali , a better war analyst than Javik , and so on . And she doesn't make mistakes . She is Synthetic which is basically perfect in analysis as compared to Organics who do make mistakes , which is something that Shepard can't afford in the investigation .

[rowan93]

The DLC can be played at any point in the game. If it is played before the Cerberus Base, potentially Tali, Garrus, Kaidan/Ashley can be dead. Therefore that leaves James EDI and Liara. James and EDI feature in the DLC because they can't be dead, so it is most convenient, they probably left Liara out because of all the bashing she gets.

[rowan93]

rowan93 wrote...

The DLC can be played at any point in the game. If it is played before the Cerberus Base, potentially Tali, Garrus, Kaidan/Ashley can be dead. Therefore that leaves James EDI and Liara. James and EDI feature in the DLC because they can't be dead, so it is most convenient, they probably left Liara out because of all the bashing she gets.

oh and not everyone has Javik as hes DLC so they wouldn't make him a primary part of this one.

[ph34r-X]

Mr Cloud wrote...

ph34r-X wrote...

Liara and her archaeological knowledge would have been the more logical choice considering the leviathans are an ancient race. This is coming from a Miranda LI person. I don't think they would be shoving her down our throats. But the organic quantum entanglement also was a factor that EDI would have understood a bit better than Liara. I feel the EDI this is Bioware shoving synthesis down our throats.

Liara's research was all about Protheans, so no, she would be utterly useless.

i believe there is dialogue somewhere in one of the mass effect games where liara says she sudied earlier races.

[ph34r-X]

JesseLee202 wrote...

ShepComing4U wrote...

You go around and find the clues yourself, EDI is there because she can quantum compute, and work much faster than Tali and Liara can. More unkillable than any squadmate? Liara cant die until the beam run, because she is protected by the plot. Face it. Liara is the biggest writers pet.

1st bold. All it does, is add filters to the galaxy map. It does not require a quantum computer to do that. Tali or any other tech could have done it in enough time if BW wanted. What would have been really cool, is if they would have let us choose what tech to help us.

2nd bold. Did I miss something here? EDI can't die until the beam rush either... 

But I really don't care, because I blow it straight to hell when I shoot the tube.

technically edi has been around since me1 visavee the rogue vi on luna

[Tonymac]

You know - for me...... I remember Luna back in ME1. I remember the static burst, the screaming in my ears - wondering what it was. S.O.S. over and over. Somehow, after that - the Earth in the moons sky never looked quite the same.

We saw EDI grow in ME2 - and grow a huge amount in ME3. We saw a piece of Reaper tech added to a program on the verge of AI that grew into more and fell in love with a man.

When you choose Destroy, you see her face. I think its terrible. Thats part of why I hate the game. The Reapers suck. Bioware states that to win, I have to kill EDI and the Geth - my greatest allies. Control turns me into a Reaper. Synthesis turns us all into Reapers. So, to win, I have to destroy the Reapers. Except thats not winning. Thats the insult from bioware - the ultimate no win scenario.

I think the real issue here is that you did not get to choose your team. Wah. EDI can sift a database nearly instantly - with or without filters. No one else on the Normandy can do that as fast as she can.

Bioware chose your team because its less work for them - and I must say it honestly makes sense in this case.

[JesseLee202]

Ranger1337 wrote...

I actually understand what you mean . Liara , Tali and Javik are fully capable of sorting through the mess in Bryson's lab as well.

Good then we are in agreement...

The thing is , though , Leviathan is a quickly losing trail . Shepard needed someone who could get clues ... fast . The only one able to do that is EDI.

No, Leviathan is not a "quickly losing trail", considering you can play that entire DLC over the course of ME3...

"zomg we needs quantam compewter to do that!" No, like I said, EDI added filters to the galaxy map. BW could have had ANY tech do that. But it was cheaper to have one voice actress. 

Why ? You say Liara is an archaeologist and the Shadow Broker too . But what she took 106 years to do so . EDI could probably hack every corner of the extranet and learn everything it takes to be an archaeologist in the time you take to make a sandwich.

No, I never said Liara would be a good choice, because Liara is not a tech expert.

To the bold, you have a baseless assumption, here is an FYI... knowledge does not grant you experience. 

EDI is superior because she it is an AI . She it can do things FASTER than any of your squadmates. If ordered to,

Maybe in it's software, but it cannot perform other actions in this world with the same accuracy and perfection like organics.  

she it can be a better (and she it is not) tech expert and SNIPER than Garrus

Tech expert yes, Sniper? HECK no. EDI can't even use a sniper...

a better Geth expert than Tali,

No, EDI does not have the experience. It only has knowledge. 

Go to youtube, watch some vids, and then comeback and tell everyone that you're an expert in that field... You will look like an idiot.

a better war analyst than Javik,

Javik is a soldier... not an analyst...

And she it doesn't make mistakes . She it is Synthetic which is basically perfect in analysis as compared to Organics who do make mistakes , which is something that Shepard can't afford in the investigation .

Synthetics are not as perfect as you imagine them. And if you wanna play that game... Tali has never made a tech mistake, in all three games.

And one last thing, your entire argument is hinged on the fact that Leviathan is a "quickly losing trail" which is not the case. BioWare could have had any tech do it, they only used EDI because its cheaper.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

I would've wanted all 3 nerd girls with me at Bryson's lab. But if I could only choose one, I'd take EDI. She is part Reaper after all, which is lulz, considering the Leviathan are on the run from the Reapers.

Javik would've been fun to have around to, even if he'd just be a passive spectator. It would've been nice to hear his perspective on things as they developed. I took him on the first mission to see if he had any special dialogue, but I'm not sure he gets any in this DLC.

Modifié par Locutus_of_BORG, 30 août 2012 - 02:33 .

[spinachdiaper]

Most likely there was no hidden message because EDI was the dialogue leader in the DLC, it was which voice actor was willing to do the work, or would you rather Shepard was walking around talking to himself out loud like a crazy person

[Locutus_of_BORG]

loud crazy person


j/k

Modifié par Locutus_of_BORG, 30 août 2012 - 02:57 .

[alsonamedbort]

I guess 3rd time's the charm with the topic title, hm?

[Khaleg]

There is a strong technical / business reason to be EDI. To keep the DLC size under control and avoid more development costs. If they left you choose, they must put all needed game assets in the DLC and it would be 3 Gbytes or more (here i am speculating). Some one said this before, and he is right.

Asides this, if you uses the logic (that unknown), EDI is the only character capable of unencrypt information in seconds, use bruteforce password guessing and analyze data in paralel form.

If i were to be in a lab looking for something, having to analyze thousand of unknown data in record time, i would deserve to have a inteligent super computer near me, it not matters if it have legs or not.

[Cgow91]

JesseLee202 wrote...

Synthetics are not as perfect as you
imagine them. And if you wanna play that game... Tali has never made a
tech mistake, in all three games.

Really?  Because I'm pretty sure she caused the Normandy's propulsion systems to overload.

[Khaleg]

JesseLee202 wrote...
Tali has never made a tech mistake, in all three games.

This is not true, if you pay attention, in this DLC, She comments something about a test with the cooling ducts in the Normandy to improve the performance of the cloaking system -or something like that-, this is a dialog between she and the chief engineer. She says it is not dangerous but the engineer thinks the oposite. She makes the change on their console and the test fails and something gets broken, and She must repair the system.

[Khaleg]

Cgow91 wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

Synthetics are not as perfect as you
imagine them. And if you wanna play that game... Tali has never made a
tech mistake, in all three games.

Really?  Because I'm pretty sure she caused the Normandy's propulsion systems to overload.

Just that I was writing xD

[Cgow91]

Khaleg wrote...

Cgow91 wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

Synthetics are not as perfect as you imagine them. And if you wanna play that game... Tali has never made a tech mistake, in all three games.

Really?  Because I'm pretty sure she caused the Normandy's propulsion systems to overload.

Just that I was writing xD

I have been practicing my ninja skills

[Someone With Mass]

JesseLee202 wrote...

Synthetics are not as perfect as you imagine them. And if you wanna play that game... Tali has never made a tech mistake, in all three games.

You mean, aside from the unintentional/accidental demolitions she clearly admits she's done?

Tali is good at hacking, repairing and sabotaging. That's not the field we're after.

Liara's field of research is about the Protheans. The Leviathan is not a Prothean, nor does it have any relevant connection with the Protheans.

EDI can access data banks in a few seconds, while it more than likely would have taken the others a few hours to do. She's a lot faster than they are when it comes to processing that data as well, since she read a forum about that game and determined that most of the members think that the sync-kill of a certain is OP within a few seconds. Which made me chuckle a bit.

And before you're planning to replace "she" with "it", don't put words in my mouth. I can speak for myself.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 30 août 2012 - 03:44 .

[Ranger Jack Walker]

People should really stop editing other people's posts when quoting. It only makes look like an idiot.

[Sporozoa]

EDI forced in because of stupid over-tolerance in the mind of unknown writers of Lev's plot. Because EDI fun, but still alien to organics, and not serve the only one function - create simpathy with synthets. No, that wont happen. Personally, i feel more common with Javik, and like over 50++% (polls were here lots of times) choose Destroy no matter how Geth and EDI was "invovlved" and "usefull". Because it wont be genocide - synthetics have no genes.

[JesseLee202]

Someone With Mass wrote...

You mean, aside from the unintentional/accidental demolitions she clearly admits she's done?

You mean, the same techniques that worked on Quarian ships? Tali wanted to see if the SR2 could do the same. EDI uses trial and error as well, only it does it in software.

Tali is good at hacking, repairing and sabotaging. That's not the field we're after.

And this "field" we are after is only sorting through data and creating a filter. Any tech could do it. The only reason BioWare used EDI, is because it is cheaper to hire one VA.

Liara's field of research is about the Protheans. The Leviathan is not a Prothean, nor does it have any relevant connection with the Protheans.

No argument here. Liara is not a tech expert like Tali or EDI.

EDI can access data banks in a few seconds, while it more than likely would have taken the others a few hours to do. She's it's a lot faster than they are when it comes to processing that data as well.

Doesn't matter, my point was that EDI is not the only one suited to do the job. I also doubt that it would take hours for another tech but it doesn't matter.

since she it read a forum about that game and determined that most of the members think that the sync-kill of a certain is OP within a few seconds. Which made me chuckle a bit.

See above.

And before you're planning to replace "she" with "it", don't put words in my mouth. I can speak for myself.

Are you sure? because "she" is an "it". EDI is not male, nor is it female. It is accurate to call EDI, "it".

inb4 "its also ok to call EDI "she" because it sounds like a "girl".

[JesseLee202]

Speezy wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...
Are you sure? because "she" is an "it". EDI is not male, nor is it female. It is accurate to call EDI, "it".

inb4 "its also ok to call EDI "she" because it sounds like a "girl".

Don't be that guy.

Too late. 

[Someone With Mass]

JesseLee202 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

You mean, aside from the unintentional/accidental demolitions she clearly admits she's done?

You mean, the same techniques that worked on Quarian ships? Tali wanted to see if the SR2 could do the same. EDI uses trial and error as well, only it does it in software.

Tali is good at hacking, repairing and sabotaging. That's not the field we're after.

And this "field" we are after is only sorting through data and creating a filter. Any tech could do it. The only reason BioWare used EDI, is because it is cheaper to hire one VA.

Liara's field of research is about the Protheans. The Leviathan is not a Prothean, nor does it have any relevant connection with the Protheans.

No argument here. Liara is not a tech expert like Tali or EDI.

EDI can access data banks in a few seconds, while it more than likely would have taken the others a few hours to do. She's it's a lot faster than they are when it comes to processing that data as well.

Doesn't matter, my point was that EDI is not the only one suited to do the job. I also doubt that it would take hours for another tech but it doesn't matter.

since she it read a forum about that game and determined that most of the members think that the sync-kill of a certain is OP within a few seconds. Which made me chuckle a bit.

See above.

And before you're planning to replace "she" with "it", don't put words in my mouth. I can speak for myself.

Are you sure? because "she" is an "it". EDI is not male, nor is it female. It is accurate to call EDI, "it".

inb4 "its also ok to call EDI "she" because it sounds like a "girl".

1. That's still not making her as spotless as you're making her out to be.

2. That's funny, because they had both Tali's and Liara's voice actors come back to do multiple dialogues. They're just sticking with EDI, because they probably thought that she fits better for an assignment like that.

3. It's still faster for EDI. There's no contest. AIs will always be faster when it comes to accessing information and performing digital tasks. That's why we invented computers, digital programs and such. Because they're a lot faster than we are.

It's like what Legion said. He could go through all the information he'd gathered while being aboard the Normandy before Shepard even has a chance to open his mouth.

Also, what part of "don't put words in my mouth" didn't you understand? The whole thing you're doing is beyond childish. And a waste of space.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 30 août 2012 - 05:36 .

[JesseLee202]

Someone With Mass wrote...

1. That's still not making her as spotless as you're making her out to be.

2. That's funny, because they had both Tali's and Liara's voice actors come back to do multiple dialogues. They're just sticking with EDI, because they probably thought that she fits better for an assignment like that.

3. It's still faster for EDI. There's no contest. AIs will always be faster when it comes to accessing information and performing digital tasks. That's why we invented computers, digital programs and such. Because they're a lot faster than we are.

It's like what Legion said. He could go through all the information he'd gathered while being aboard the Normandy before Shepard even has a chance to open his mouth.

1. Go back and look at the post I responded to. He was going on about how EDI never made a mistake. EDI uses trial and error, except it uses it in software. My response was not supposed to be taken that literally...

2. No, they stuck with EDI because in some people's playthroughs, Tali is dead. This goes back to my original argument, BioWare should have let you choose.

3. Again, see 2. No doubt EDI is faster, but BioWare could have used Tali if they wanted to let you choose who to bring.

Also, what part of "don't put words in my mouth" didn't you understand? The whole thing you're doing is beyond childish. And a waste of space. 

No, I am correcting a mistake you are making. EDI is not a she. EDI could change its voice and sound like a man, and what then would you call it? Do you base sex on what someone sounds like?

One more thing, picking one piece out of my first post which then makes it look out of context without Ranger1337's post, is very childish. My post was not meant to imply Tali was perfect, but only to show Ranger1337 she is a tech expert that could have been used in Bryson's lab.