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[Leoroc]

thats1evildude wrote...

I wonder what a romance with Cole would be like. I imagine it would be like the Thedas version of dating the Overly Attached Girlfriend.

It would be very angsty, definitely written by David, and awesome from a story perspective. I imagine shades of Buffy/Angel in it.

[Renmiri1]

Leoroc wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

I wonder what a romance with Cole would be like. I imagine it would be like the Thedas version of dating the Overly Attached Girlfriend.

It would be very angsty, definitely written by David, and awesome from a story perspective. I imagine shades of Buffy/Angel in it.

Fatal Atraction 

[Leoroc]

yOh please, Zevran was an assassin hired specifically to kill me. Fenris murders someone as soon as he comes on screen. I banged em both. Warden and Hawke have a few hundred human kills apiece as well.

[WardenKing]

Maker no! xD I hate Cole, he was such a boring character to read about in the book Asunder. Whenever I came to a chapter with him in it I wanted to skip it, but really couldn`t because of the necessity. I really don`t want cole as a companion in DA3, a cameo is fine, but as a companion no. Just thought I`d let bioware know my opinion about the matter. xD

[Firky]

Leoroc wrote...

yOh please, Zevran was an assassin hired specifically to kill me. Fenris murders someone as soon as he comes on screen. I banged em both. Warden and Hawke have a few hundred human kills apiece as well.

*spoillerrrzzzz*

I think the difference with Zevran and Fenris for me is that they were both killing for a cause/conviction. They both seemed to be in control of their actions/decisive, whereas Cole seems/seemed out of control and desperate to save his existance, or whatever.

It's probably silly, but I can stomach a charming professional assassin, not so much Cole. I suppose it depends on how human his actions are supposed to feel.

Still, I was thinking further about the POV characters in Game of Thrones (I'm still only halfway through Clash of Kings) and there is one POV character who is very similar to Cole. But she's ten. And, she's been exposed to insane amounts of violence, so it's vaguely understandable to my mind, in a way that Cole hasn't.

(But it's a really interesting question; the appropriateness of including various types of content, how close these themes get to the characters, etc. Like, I thought the DA2 questline with Kelder and the elf girl was right on the line. If it had involved Kelder and a child companion, it would have stepped way over it, for me. But, they don't do child companions, etc. I miss Spark, in Ultima. )

[Leoroc]

Firky wrote...

*spoillerrrzzzz*

I think the difference with Zevran and Fenris for me is that they were both killing for a cause/conviction. They both seemed to be in control of their actions/decisive, whereas Cole seems/seemed out of control and desperate to save his existance, or whatever.

It's probably silly, but I can stomach a charming professional assassin, not so much Cole. I suppose it depends on how human his actions are supposed to feel.

Still, I was thinking further about the POV characters in Game of Thrones (I'm still only halfway through Clash of Kings) and there is one POV character who is very similar to Cole. But she's ten. And, she's been exposed to insane amounts of violence, so it's vaguely understandable to my mind, in a way that Cole hasn't.

(But it's a really interesting question; the appropriateness of including various types of content, how close these themes get to the characters, etc. Like, I thought the DA2 questline with Kelder and the elf girl was right on the line. If it had involved Kelder and a child companion, it would have stepped way over it, for me. But, they don't do child companions, etc. I miss Spark, in Ultima. )

Cole has a broken psyche, that much is obvious, but I feel that with Cole as a companion I might be more able to "fix" him unlike Zev or Fen.

[syllogi]

Spoilers:

Cole was killing people just because they could see him. That's not romantic or cool, in any way. Fenris and Zevran can't be compared to a broken, confused spirit with the memories of a severely abused young man who kills people just because they can see him.

[TheCharmedOne]

I wasn't the biggest fan of Cole, but I think in DA3 he could make for an interesting companion and even more so LI. I would love to hear the party banter about him

[brushyourteeth]

thats1evildude wrote...

I wonder what a romance with Cole would be like. I imagine it would be like the Thedas version of dating the Overly Attached Girlfriend.

I don't think the team would give us that option. It would be kind of like letting us romance a cross between Sandal and the Archdemon. 

[ElitePinecone]

Nefla wrote...

Cole...I think he gave me a pistol once at the spaceport.

We're lucky he was sleeping behind the crates...

[ElitePinecone]

Sejborg wrote...

I don't know much about this Cole character, but I would rather not have these silly spirit characters as companions.

I'm glad BSN has stopped jumping to dramatic viewpoints based on little to no knowledge.

[Lotion Soronarr]

JasonPogo wrote...

Spoilers!!!

Well me personaly I see Cole as like a spirit of compashion or what not. Since it seems the spirit came to the real Cole as he sat terified and forgoten in his cell. The spirit came to try and comfert him and when he died the spirit was stuck in the real world and forgot what it was and only had Coles memories to draw from. So it was twisted and confused. Then at the end of the book it remembers what it is and what the Templars did to the real Cole and is out for Vengance. At least that is how I see the progreshion of the character.

So he's basicly Anders Mk2..or Justice/VEngance Mk2?

No thanks.
I'd rather not have silly spirit companions.

[Fredward]

Spoilers from Asunder ahoy:

I don't think Cole is evil at all. But even if he was it wouldn't bother me, we need more evil people. But yeah he killed people to feel more "real" yah? He killed people who could see him so that he could tell himself he existed. That's not evil, that's broken. I'm a sucker for broken.

Also I think Cole was/is actually a demon. No idea which kind though, if you think about it the seven or whatever demon kinds we find in the games are never said to be the ONLY ones. I think there's a Codex entry SOMEWHERE that hints at the possibility of there being more. But why I think Cole is a demon is that (and I read the book a LONG while ago so feel free to correct me) Spirits don't usually possess people do they? Only under unusual circumstances. Or if they had a guardian their whole life, like Wynne. Wouldn't a guardian have done SOMETHING when that demon came calling in Cole's past? And also I want it to be a demon since it would be more interesting learning about a confused demon learning humanity than another spirit possessed who got warped. We don't need a Anders rehash. Although I CAN see it being a spirit of compassion. Albeit a hopelessly warped one, but that would be a let down. For me at least. I WANT A DEMON DAMMIT. They only want to feel human after all, to know why the Maker abandoned them. It's not their fault they kill lots of people!!!1 Okay it probably is, but whatever. xp

But yeah I want Cole. He has such a interesting/tormented background that I'm already in love with the guy. Waaaay more claim to being tormented than Anders and even Fenris. And I would KILL to hear him say "Look into my eyes" at some point. XD

[Firky]

*more spoilers*

I will admit that I could dig the idea of Cole's abilities being tied to, like, people not being able to see him; stealth, somehow.

But, from the book, I thought he'd developed like "hedge magic" invisibility due to hiding from his abuser, and never being trained, and that he couldn't control it. (I think everyone in the story thread disagreed with that, though.)

But, if companion Cole was an abomination of some sort, who was a bit like one of Baldur's Gate 2: ToB's Wild Mages, in which the unpredictable effects of magic had to be factored into combat, well, now I'm getting interested. Or some kind of stealth mage.

[JasonPogo]

syllogi wrote...

Spoilers:

Cole was killing people just because they could see him. That's not romantic or cool, in any way. Fenris and Zevran can't be compared to a broken, confused spirit with the memories of a severely abused young man who kills people just because they can see him.

To be nitpicky he was killing them SO they would see him not because they could see him.  Right before he would kill them they would see him and it made him feel real for just that moment.

[Leoroc]

The people he killed (for the most part,certaimly not the last guy he killed) were suicidal anyway and were calling for someone to end their pain. He could almost be a spirit of merciful death.

[Spicen]

People who are complaining about spoilers, i can understand. But hey BW told that they wanted our feedback and so it is quite fair to discuss. And oh yeah, so far 70% of us want to have cole, so great he wud definitely be my fav companion, one more reason to love DA 3.

[Spicen]

Firky wrote...


*more spoilers*

I will admit that I could dig the idea of Cole's abilities being tied to, like, people not being able to see him; stealth, somehow.

But, from the book, I thought he'd developed like "hedge magic" invisibility due to hiding from his abuser, and never being trained, and that he couldn't control it. (I think everyone in the story thread disagreed with that, though.)

But, if companion Cole was an abomination of some sort, who was a bit like one of Baldur's Gate 2: ToB's Wild Mages, in which the unpredictable effects of magic had to be factored into combat, well, now I'm getting interested. Or some kind of stealth mage.

I dont care what he is, i have a certain respect and love(not romantic) for cold people. Probably becoz im one of them.

[Firky]

^ I really like how different DA companions can be relatable to different people. I really like the Tranquil because I know people, one in particular, who rarely shows emotion, and I find the idea that someone actually would have no emotions at all fascinating.

Leoroc wrote...

The people he killed (for the most part,certaimly not the last guy he killed) were suicidal anyway and were calling for someone to end their pain. He could almost be a spirit of merciful death.

*spoilers*

Suicide is a really tricky subject to discuss, but I personally wouldn't call killing someone who is suicidal merciful. (But, it's really tricky.) If someone had a terminal illness and terrible pain, that's another story. From memory, was there a victim who was afraid of tranquility? I would call killing them murder, not mercy, but tranquility is unimaginable, so I guess trying to find the morality, or lack of, in that act is interesting in itsself.

Modifié par Firky, 30 août 2012 - 10:25 .

[Leoroc]

He is in a more moral grey area than my blood mage warden for sure. She killed an injured guy in the Kocari wilds because "we dont have time for this [****]" =p

[Firky]

Roleplaying games.

[Patchwork]

He might be interesting as a temporary party member or a faction quest giver but as a character concept the only new thing about him is the possibility of being evil.

The mystery of what he was made him interesting in Asunder but now we know and we've already seen the affects of possession thanks to Wynne and Anders.

[JasonPogo]

Ser Bard wrote...

He might be interesting as a temporary party member or a faction quest giver but as a character concept the only new thing about him is the possibility of being evil.

The mystery of what he was made him interesting in Asunder but now we know and we've already seen the affects of possession thanks to Wynne and Anders.

But with Cole no one is possesed...

[syllogi]

JasonPogo wrote...

syllogi wrote...

Spoilers:

Cole was killing people just because they could see him. That's not romantic or cool, in any way. Fenris and Zevran can't be compared to a broken, confused spirit with the memories of a severely abused young man who kills people just because they can see him.

To be nitpicky he was killing them SO they would see him not because they could see him.  Right before he would kill them they would see him and it made him feel real for just that moment.

He apparently had a sense that those people could see him, according to his reasoning at the beginning of the book...or else he was somehow making them see him, to justify his decision to kill them.  Either way, he was definitely broken and confused and living in the mind of a severely abused and damaged young man.  None of the murders he commits are in any way justified.  The mages may have been terrified and unhappy, but they didn't deserve to die that way.

Cole might, after some time and maturity, become less dangerous, but that doesn't mean he still doesn't have the capacity for that sort of amoral and chaotic violence.