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[Gilberts5150]

I was in the Air Force a few years ago but fought paper mostly and even a mop sometimes so was never hardcore or big like those women up there, but I know some marines and even an airman or two (my rank) that were, and they look a lot more like those fighters then Shep does. Shepard is very hardcore, and in my mind, right or wrong seems like she would have the mindset to workout a lot and be a bit more muscular, I do not mean be a bodybuilder of course.

[OrbitalWings]

Mysten wrote...

In utero gene therapy, Alliance standard combat gene therapy and technology advancements likely make female Shepard a capably strong combatant with that body shape. The reason male Shepard and other male Alliance members are so much more muscular is because they choose to work out and achieve that body shape even if it isn't necessarily required.

Which is fair enough, until you arrive at the implication that all female soliders in the ME universe choose not to work work out, while all the male ones do.

Not exactly a great statement of equality.

The whole issue is very easy to explain in-universe, but a lot harder to justify to players. People have been saying since ME1 that FemShep is too thin, but just getting BioWare to even acknoledge her in advertising took 3 games, so asking BioWare to have her looking right kinda fell down the priority list.

Modifié par Metal-Dragon-Kiryu, 29 août 2012 - 06:32 .

[Kya]

It's even worse when she's in the N7 hoodie. Her shoulders are way too narrow and hanging justway too much.

I actually liked the build and animation in Mass Effect 2. I'll never understand why they had to change it.

Her ME3 build is just another pain in the eye (along with the whole face issue), and is one of the reasons why I don't really get the same enjoyment out of playing as I did out of ME1 and ME2. Looks matter, because if it doesn't look right, it doesn't feel right.

Modifié par Kya, 29 août 2012 - 07:20 .

[N7 Lisbeth]

g40max wrote...

 I was playing ME last night and I was thinking that my female shepard is very slight. I feel as thought she needs a bit more muscle; not a huge amount like male shep, and all six of his chests, but like the build of a female athlete maybe? I'm thinking along the lines of Jessica Ennis or someone. It would just make it more believable when she's turning bad guys inside out. What do you guys think?

Actually, I'm rather partial to the way FemShep looks. I really despise large breasts and glamour lipstick on soldiers. I prefer plain and athletic any day. Not saying you can't have both, it's just a refreshing change to have a tall FemShep that's also athletic without being too robust or too pretty.

@Kya: Was she changed that much? I really liked FemShep's physique in ME2, and although she's a little thinner in ME3, I didn't notice that much change. (What mass she has is still very toned/muscularity clearly visible, moreso than in ME2 despite the overall weight loss. That could be addressed to thicker clothing in ME2.)

Modifié par Thessaly - Moon Witch, 29 août 2012 - 07:26 .

[Bob the Elcor]

With agreement, I agree that FemShep's physique is rather strange considering what she does, but I don't mind it that much.

[KBomb]

Meh, I like her body the way it is. I like that she doesn’t have to fit the stereotypical build of a “tough chick” to be one.

[Giant ambush beetle]

So if implants explain FemSheps out-of-shape build, why is Sheploo so athletic? 

Thessaly - Moon Witch wrote...
Actually, I'm rather partial to the way FemShep looks. I really despise large breasts and glamour lipstick on soldiers. I prefer plain and athletic any day. Not saying you can't have both, it's just a refreshing change to have a tall FemShep that's also athletic without being too robust or too pretty

+1

[loungeshep]

KBomb wrote...

Meh, I like her body the way it is. I like that she doesn’t have to fit the stereotypical build of a “tough chick” to be one.

this

[Locutus_of_BORG]

rwilli80 wrote...

You do realize female soldiers today don't look like the first picture or even Gina Carano. They run the spectrum of body types and physical looks. Not only that, its a game set in the future, were the armor probably does a lot of the heavy lifting.

Male soldiers also run the full gamut of body types. About the only generalization that holds true is that active-duty soldiers are more fit than average... which is a pretty broad range to fall under. Different soldiers do different things and their physiques will reflect that.

[GarrusIsMyBro]

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

She's always been the go-to person when it comes to the 'ideal FemShep physique' debate, so have some Gina Carano...

accualy is dolan.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

She looks like a pear. The top half and bottom half of her body don't match.



Once you see it you will never unsee it.

What the ****?

[N7 Lisbeth]

The shoulders of FemShep through all three games have been slight, considering her fitness. She was kicking ass in ME1, before she was genetically or synthetically modified, and her physique changed very little.

I completely agree in that regard, to be realistic she needs to have a slightly broader shoulder set and slightly thicker arms. But in Bioware's art team's defence, some people have less muscle, eat less carbs, and are otherwise strong but slender and wiry. This is true for some athletic men, too. Bulky people bulk up intentionally, anyone that says otherwise has a misunderstanding.

When you see some shots of FemShep's decently defined biceps, when she's in a dark mood, you can see that's where they were going with this. Ultimately it's because they wanted her to look feminine, there's no sense denying it. They needed a frame that could go soldier or scientist. I think they mostly succeeded when she's wearing clothes.

Nobody said Shepard was perfect, but she's the hero we deserve.

@GarrusIsMyBro: This is Gina Carano.



Pretty close to this:

Modifié par N7 Lisbeth, 29 août 2012 - 10:38 .

[Apathy1989]

KBomb wrote...

Meh, I like her body the way it is. I like that she doesn’t have to fit the stereotypical build of a “tough chick” to be one.

It breaks my immersion whenever I see her do... well anything. Her arms are so thin she could not lift anything above a pistol.

I play biotics just to have an excuse for femshep being so thin.

[N7 Lisbeth]

Apathy1989 wrote...

KBomb wrote...

Meh, I like her body the way it is. I like that she doesn’t have to fit the stereotypical build of a “tough chick” to be one.

It breaks my immersion whenever I see her do... well anything. Her arms are so thin she could not lift anything above a pistol.

I play biotics just to have an excuse for femshep being so thin.

I think you need to get out in the real world more then. Thin =/= weak. All things considered, FemShep is an endomorph, which is athletic. She's dead centre of the scale, which is pretty healthy. Mass is certainly an advantage in a fight, but there are *lots* of ways to circumvent that; it's the first thing they teach you when you learn how to fight, because nearly everyone in a real fight will weigh more than you do, as a woman.

I realise your personal taste comes into this, and you're welcome to it. But Shepard probably weighs 140lbs, which is not a little girl when it's all muscle and bone. You might not think she weighs that much, but I assure you she probably does. Muscle weighs more than fat.

If you doubt me: Gina Carano, in the above screenshot comparison, weighs 143lbs.

Modifié par N7 Lisbeth, 29 août 2012 - 11:42 .

[Wulfram]

It makes sense for biotic Shepards to be skinny. Using biotics burn calories and presumably don't build muscle.

Her arms could do with being a bit less noodly though.

[N7 Lisbeth]

Wulfram wrote...

It makes sense for biotic Shepards to be skinny. Using biotics burn calories and presumably don't build muscle.

Her arms could do with being a bit less noodly though.

Her mass and height change constantly in different scenes, a trick of perspective and camera angles and harsh lighting or shadows. And clothing. If they made her naked model the same density she was clothed, she'd be thick. That's the engine limitation. And, really, how often is she naked?

As for camera angles: In some scenes, she's as broad as Admiral Anderson, her arms nearly as thick too. In others she looks thinner. In some profile, intimate shots, she's the same height or shorter than Liara -- but when she's not stooped over, she's actually a bit taller. I call this the Hobbit Effect™.

Modifié par N7 Lisbeth, 30 août 2012 - 01:30 .

[Aryck the One]

FemShep has always looked a bit ridiculous. One thing that bothers me is that a lot of the weapons look too big for her; the larger Assault Rifles, for example, tend to clip through her shoulder and helmet. Key examples are the M-96 Mattock and M-76 Revenant.

[N7 Lisbeth]

Aryck1095 V2 wrote...

FemShep has always looked a bit ridiculous. One thing that bothers me is that a lot of the weapons look too big for her; the larger Assault Rifles, for example, tend to clip through her shoulder and helmet. Key examples are the M-96 Mattock and M-76 Revenant.

It clips through Vega, too. He's probably the thickest model.

Modifié par N7 Lisbeth, 30 août 2012 - 01:31 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

BioWare's character models never look right. The aliens do, but that goes without saying.

Modifié par EpicBoot2daFace, 30 août 2012 - 02:02 .

[Primalrose]

Let's be honest. Almost nobody would find her physically appealing or even play her if she resembled a huge manly body builder. Whether people like it or not more emphasis is put on female appearance. I agree she needs more muscular shoulders and arms at least.

[KBomb]

Apathy1989 wrote...

It breaks my immersion whenever I see her do... well anything. Her arms are so thin she could not lift anything above a pistol.

I play biotics just to have an excuse for femshep being so thin.

I am pretty small in stature and otherwise, granted, I doubt—no, I know I couldn’t take down a 300lb man, but I am not so weak I couldn’t “hold anything above a pistol”. There was this woman I saw on television once, and I wish I could remember her—but she was a martial arts expert and wasn’t that much bigger than I am, but she could seriously hold her own and had the accolades to prove it. So, small doesn’t equal weak. I would guess it’s what you train your body to do that matters.
Given the fact that I am pretty small, it would break my immersion to play someone bulky, if one wanted to look at preference that way.

[xI extremist Ix]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Doctor Moustache wrote...

She looks like a pear. The top half and bottom half of her body don't match.



Once you see it you will never unsee it.

What the ****?

Holy Thunder THIGHS!