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[Original182]

How can you worship Stewie? What about the Force, which is supposed to be in the Old Republic, the MMO in the works by Bioware that may finally be the wow-killer?

You judge the Force without even trying it!

TO ARMS MY BRETHREN! ANDRASTE WILL GIVE US VICTORY!

[mousestalker]

In the end, you will all be overcome by the awesome inertia of the slack. X-Day has already happened and the full effects of it will soon be felt (or groped).

[FlintlockJazz]

Original182 wrote...

How can you worship Stewie? What about the Force, which is supposed to be in the Old Republic, the MMO in the works by Bioware that may finally be the wow-killer?

You judge the Force without even trying it!

TO ARMS MY BRETHREN! ANDRASTE WILL GIVE US VICTORY!

Force?  Pshaw!  What people think is the Force is just Stewie having fun by playing mindgames on the lesser intelligent.  Hell, he came up with the whole 'Prophecy' thing in order to watch the Jedi and Sith butcher each other for his own amusement!  And the WoW-Killer?  You can't kill WoW, it is the Great Cthulhu of MMOs!  Just looking upon it's grotesque form will drive men mad! 

To arms Stewie, they doubt your greatness!

Modifié par FlintlockJazz, 24 décembre 2009 - 11:49 .

[Turtletyson575]

personaly i belive that the dalish elves represnt the native americans and other indiginus tribes that europeans pretty much destroyed

[Original182]

Turtletyson575 wrote...

personaly i belive that the dalish elves represnt the native americans and other indiginus tribes that europeans pretty much destroyed

Same here. It hit home for me when I sat down and listened to Sarel the story teller.

[Grommash94]

The Dalish Elves are not the muslims of dragon age no. And Islam did not start out as a jihad....and I doubt that many actually know the true meaning of that word.

[Lord Abrasion]

Debating religion on a forum - the number one way to spawn a flamefest, with politics being a close second.

[ejoslin]

I really enjoy telling Leliana how screwed up her views about the maker really are. She gets mad too though

[deganawida]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

mousestalker wrote...

Qunari= Islam x Borg x Buddhism
Dalish = pagans (Google Teutonic Knights)
City Elves = Jews
Tevinter Imperium = Roman, then Byzantine Empire
Orlais= France
Anderfels = Germany
with significant variations of course.

And the Chantry is far more militant than Christianity ever was. Andraste started out with a holy war.

While I won't disagree with the basic characterizations, that last line isn't exactly true.  Christianity has had it's brutal period in history as well, The Crusades, and the Inquisition come to mind.  South America was converted at sword point.

Was planning on pointing this out too.   Christianity was a lot more militant religion than it is now, while Islam was actually quite peaceful until it spread to the Turks, and even then the Crusades were the main force behind the militarisation of Islam.

Tell that to the Jews and non-Muslims of Medina.  Also to the ghosts of Constantinople.

For all the people who've gotten their education from television, movies, and poorly-researched news programs, the First Crusade was instituted by the Roman Catholic Church as a response to the sacking of Constantinople by the Muslims.  The Byzantine Church requested aid from Rome, and Rome responded by gathering soldiers from Christian nations to protect Constantinople.  Christians were not the aggressors in the First Crusade.

[ejoslin]

Leliana, you need to examine your views on the maker! You can't have it both ways!

[Original182]

ejoslin wrote...

I really enjoy telling Leliana how screwed up her views about the maker really are. She gets mad too though

Like an opinion, you cannot tell her what to believe. It'll be like me telling you how screwed up you are for liking someone like Zevran. The man sleeps with women before killing them. Are you sure he even respects women?

[ejoslin]

There is a great dialog between Leliana and Morrigan about this very subject (religion and respecting people's beliefs, not my fangirl crushing on Zevran which I'm happy to discuss in Zevran threads) if you have them in your party if you save the Dalish hunter and bring him back to their camp. Leliana starts going on about how the Maker was watching out for him and Morrigan suggests that the Dalish would probably prefer to thank their own gods. And yes, Lel doesn't let it drop. I love trying to corrupt her views for that reason!

Modifié par ejoslin, 24 décembre 2009 - 05:49 .

[Invalidcode]

Dalish gods are more Rome/Greek like aren't that?

[Original182]

Well I don't think Leliana disrespected the dalishs hunter's elven gods, all she did was thank the Maker for his safety. And Morrigan doesn't care for the dalish hunter's religion, she was just getting back at Leliana. Later if you side with the werewolves to kill the elves, she actually APPROVES.

I think Morrigan is the screwed up one.

[robertthebard]

As in being Polytheistic, yeah.

[ejoslin]

Original182 wrote...

Well I don't think Leliana disrespected the dalishs hunter's elven gods, all she did was thank the Maker for his safety. And Morrigan doesn't care for the dalish hunter's religion, she was just getting back at Leliana. Later if you side with the werewolves to kill the elves, she actually APPROVES.
I think Morrigan is the screwed up one.

You don't have to agree with a religion to feel that people should respect their views.  Look at it this way, if you are in the habit of saying to people, "I'll pray for you," would you like the response to be, "Thank you.  I'll sacrifice a goat for you!"  Hah, actual conversation that happened at one of my family's Thanksgiving dinners!

Edit: I actually liked Zevran's devotion, and I find it interesting that Wynne is not at all religious.  

Modifié par ejoslin, 24 décembre 2009 - 06:25 .

[NvVanity]

Personally it seems like the Elves are based off of Native Americans with some influence from the Crusades and such.



If you recall the elf in the Dalish Camp mentioning "The Great Walk" where all the Elves traveled to the Dales after the fall of Arlathan that's sort of similar to "The Trail of Tears" when the American government forced the Natives to move west.

[robertthebard]

The Great Walk, while similar to the Trail of Tears, does not reflect on their religion, but traveling to the Dales from all over Thedas.



Religiously, the dwarves are closer to Native Americans.

[Nemesis Shield]

The Dalish Elves also struck me as being very... Celtic. Well, I guess that all Elves in standard fantasy fare are always at least somewhat Celtic (going back all the way to the Man himself - Tolkien that is).

I am referring to how the (pre-Andraste) Tevinter Imperium conquered the original Elvish civilization of Elvhenan.

At that time, the Elves were not nomadic at all (unlike the current Dalish Elves), but had their own cities and such, the greatest of which was the city of Arlathan. The Celts were also settled and pretty civilized by the 1st century BCE, even though the Romans still considered them "barbarians"; the Celts in Gaul (France) and Iberia (Spain) were especially advanced, compared to those in Britain.

Now, if we assume that the (pre-Andraste) Tevinter Imperium is modelled on the Roman Empire, then its conquest of Elvhenan seems inspired by Julius Caesar's conquest of Celtic Gaul and Britain.

That is why I think that the original Elves of Elvhenan were modelled on the Celts and that their conquest by the Tevinters was inspired by the Romans' conquest of Celtic Gaul, Britain, and Spain.

But, the current Dalish Elves do seem to be more inspired by the Native Americans because of their nomadic lifestyle on the borders of settled civilization. The Long Walk also made me think of the Trail of Tears. I also sensed a bit of inspiration from the (nomadic) gypsies of Eastern Europe; the whole werewolf thing seems to go back to the old stereo-type in Hollywood movies between gypsies and werewolf mythology.

Anyway, I am not suggesting that there is a 1:1 correspondence here. It would actually be boring if Bioware did that. But, still its somewhat fun to think about how real-world history might have inspired the game...

Modifié par Nemesis Shield, 24 décembre 2009 - 07:16 .

[dtking3]

None of the constructs in the game are "equal" to any real world institution.

Similarities and influences abound, no doubt.

I was reminded more of several Native American and Celt tribes and when dealing with the Dalish than Islamic history.

Modifié par dtking3, 24 décembre 2009 - 07:26 .

[dtking3]

We all know who's really watching over us up there

[Travirius]

Amen to that!

[Yrkoon]

ckriley wrote...
 the Dalish Elves are the Muslims.  I mean, can it be more obvious? . 

Oh indeed.  Complete with  the proverbial struggle against Werewolves... in forests, even.

[tausra]

I always considered the Dalish a mixture of the Goths and the Celts, or more accurately the Celts then the Goths. A civilized animistic nation crushed and enslaved, Caesar and the Celts. Their history and culture is wiped out, Caesar's bounty on Druids. They fight for their freedom under a warrior queen, Boudica. Once freed they are promised a new homeland, Goths after the first uprising. Their promised land is taken from them and they become hostile vagrants.

[andybuiadh]

I doubt BioWare would intentionally push at religious beliefs or nationalities, the fallout would be too great and damaging for them in the long run.

In any game like DA:O you're going to be able to aliken certain elements from the real world to the game.

If you look for something hard enough, you'll eventually convince yourself that you can see it.