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[riccaborto]

I've been thinkin to it since I played Witch Hunt for the first time. 
In DA2 Merril states in ancient times it was a meaning of communication.

Do you think it is just a "teleport" to go from one location to another, in Thedas... or it brings you somewhere else like Fade or another mysthic realm? Where do Morrgain and Child (and Warden maybe) phisically stay?

Did Hawke use Merril's Eluvian to disappear and reach them? Why?

Has it ever been revealed by the writers? This one of the things about DA that drives me mad...

[RedWulfi]

I think its a portal to the afterlife. *shrug*

[Saberchic]

Obviously, as shown by Morrigan, they can be used for more than communicating. I often thought that they could lead to other planes of existence (besides actually being used to teleport around Thedas).

I actually wonder if we'll ever know or see the true potential of these devices.

[LolaLei]

Monsters?

[LolaLei]

Saberchic wrote...

Obviously, as shown by Morrigan, they can be used for more than communicating. I often thought that they could lead to other planes of existence (besides actually being used to teleport around Thedas).

I actually wonder if we'll ever know or see the true potential of these devices.

Maybe that's how we'll end up traveling around Thedas in DA3... hm, I hope not. I wanna go by horse!

[Darkin30]

Candy Mountain

[AbsoluteApril]

opens quick travel passages across Elvhenan (hense the similarity in name) to Arlathan or perhaps the Black City itself. random ideas of course.

ahh the possibilities!

[whykikyouwhy]

Most likely some were merely communication devices, while others were used for teleportation. Perhaps (just perhaps), some were utilized as weapons or sources of energy. I don't know that the devs have done more than drop hints in the games via conversation or codex entries.

I've wondered if the Eluvian actually had a role/function in the breach of the Golden City, but that's just idle speculation.

[Masha Potato]

basically a webcamera with teleportation feature

[Maria Caliban]

They work like so:



I don't know if that means GLADoS is the Dread Wolf or not.

[Saberchic]

Maria Caliban wrote...

They work like so:



I don't know if that means GLADoS is the Dread Wolf or not.

Mind. Blown.

[levi.porphyrogenitus]

Back before DA1 came out I theorized that the mirrors were for communication and that the old Magisters used them to try to enter the Fade, and the Golden City, bodily (the alleged reason for the Darkspawn, which would seem to be reasonably accurate given the events of Legacy).

I assume that they work by transmitting the image of what stands before one mirror through the fade to another mirror, and that when the Magisters figured that out they managed to change their functionality to transport more than just images.

My theory is that they first got them to transport matter from one mirror to another just like the elves did images (and presumably sounds), and then they sort of short-circuited the network so that they could enter the Fade itself rather than simply using it as a sort of hyperspace. Presumably they were able to aim the resulting portal, targeting the Golden City.

When the group of Arch-Magisters went through, they encountered something that they weren't prepared for, something that corrupted them and the mirrors that they used.  It'd be sort of like the extra-galactic aliens who encountered the Beast in Homeworld: Cataclysm (still one of the scariest video game villains in my opinion).

I don't think the entire network got corrupted, else both Morrigan and Merrill would have been unable to interact with their respective mirrors without suffering from the taint. It seems likely to me, then, that only certain specific mirrors were corrupted, and it'd make the most sense for those mirrors to be the ones used by the Magisters in their experiments.

Modifié par levi.porphyrogenitus, 30 août 2012 - 03:15 .

[DPSSOC]

Earth Prime?

[brushyourteeth]

Morrigan with a baby?

[CELL55]

Silent Hill in creepy mode.
The alternate dimension from Half-Life.
The real endings of Mass Effect 3.

[TEWR]

riccaborto wrote...

I've been thinkin to it since I played Witch Hunt for the first time. 
In DA2 Merril states in ancient times it was a meaning of communication.

Correct. The Tevinter Imperium took what Eluvians they acquired in their siege of Arlathan and tried to unlock their powers by using blood magic and dragonbones, as Finn tells us. However, they could never unlock anything other then the ability to communicate over long distances -- an aspect of them that Arlathan used frequently.

They do more then that, as Morrigan demonstrates. But the Tevinter Imperium never got that far.

Do you think it is just a "teleport" to go from one location to another, in Thedas... or it brings you somewhere else like Fade or another mysthic realm?

 
Morrigan tells us that the Eluvians link "beyond Thedas and beyond the Fade", so they don't go to the Fade. More importantly, the Fade is the realm of thoughts and the material has no substance there. The only exception to this is the Magisters' breach of the "Golden" City. But even then, the City isn't like the Fade at all, as Demons and Spirits avoid the place -- either of their own volition or through an inability to even go there.

That Morrigan felt content to leave her untrained (OGB) child on the other side tells us that this mysterious third plane is a safe haven. Because if it wasn't, she would've had the child with her when we confront her in Witch Hunt. A Mage child's powers only start to develop when they're at least 6 years old. Morrigan's son isn't even 2 years old at this point in time.

Did Hawke use Merril's Eluvian to disappear and reach them? Why?

Doubtful that Hawke used Merrill's Eluvian, as that would interfere with how the Rivalry path played out. I have speculated before however that Hawke and Merrill stumble upon an intact and functional Eluvian that Hawke may have used. And that if Merrill was romanced, she went with him.

If she wasn't, then she probably elected to stay behind to study it and apply what she learns to future projects on the matter -- either on her own personal Eluvian that she more then likely left behind in Kirkwall or on a brand new one that won't garner the ire of people she knows, on either path.

Has it ever been revealed by the writers? This one of the things about DA that drives me mad...

I don't think the writers have ever really revealed anything on the history of the Eluvians or where they might lead. All we've ever heard from the devs on the matter is that Merrill took information and lore on the Eluvians, extrapolated from them, and applied it to the brand new Eluvian she was building with the Dalish Origin's Eluvian shard as a foundation for the research.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 30 août 2012 - 04:43 .

[Urzon]

Threw the Looking Glass!

Morrigan is raising her son (if you did the DR) in Wonderland. She is a bit of a sourpuss at the Mad Hatter's tea parties, but at least someone finally killed the Queen of Hearts. Morrigan couldn't put up with her crap anyone...

[TEWR]

Urzon wrote...

Morrigan is raising her son (if you did the DR) in Wonderland

Actually she's always raising a son if you just had sex with her. If you did the DR, then it changes the nature of her child.

Also, I lol'd. Well done sir.

[Fallstar]

The Eluvians allow instantaneous communication. IE the signal does not travel through time, or travels through time by an imperceptible fraction of a second. This implies that the Eluvians are all in the same location or are located very close to one another. Since the Eluvians on the Thedas side of the mirror are scattered geographically, this would suggest to me that on the other side of the Eluvians, all the Eluvians are close together.

As for what's actually on the other side beyond the Eluvians, haven't the foggiest guvna.

[whykikyouwhy]

Mulling on this a little more and I realized that the Eluvians (as well as the Fade Pedestals) remind me of the golden pylon. So any destination beyond the Fade, and/or Thedas, could just be a lovely matte painting.

[Fast Jimmy]

Well, to be honest, I don't think the writers have a clear idea themselves. I think this is one of those pieces of lore that is purposefully vague, mostly so the writers can use it as a plot point later in the franchise, where they can flesh out the information to fit a particular plot, but which may likely ignore or retcon other lore or ideas about the subject matter. So I'm thinking most of the information we think we have on the Eluvians may be worthless, other than what the OP outlined - they were used by elves, they can allow communication, they can allow teleportation sometimes and they are now corrupted.

That being said, they will probably have it be a portal to some Big Bad, or race of bloodthirsty creatures that wants to destroy all life. And then just assume Morrigan hired a baby sitter for the OGB in Witch Hunt.

[x12796]

levi.porphyrogenitus wrote...

Back before DA1 came out I theorized that the mirrors were for communication and that the old Magisters used them to try to enter the Fade, and the Golden City, bodily (the alleged reason for the Darkspawn, which would seem to be reasonably accurate given the events of Legacy).

I assume that they work by transmitting the image of what stands before one mirror through the fade to another mirror, and that when the Magisters figured that out they managed to change their functionality to transport more than just images.

My theory is that they first got them to transport matter from one mirror to another just like the elves did images (and presumably sounds), and then they sort of short-circuited the network so that they could enter the Fade itself rather than simply using it as a sort of hyperspace. Presumably they were able to aim the resulting portal, targeting the Golden City.

When the group of Arch-Magisters went through, they encountered something that they weren't prepared for, something that corrupted them and the mirrors that they used.  It'd be sort of like the extra-galactic aliens who encountered the Beast in Homeworld: Cataclysm (still one of the scariest video game villains in my opinion).

I don't think the entire network got corrupted, else both Morrigan and Merrill would have been unable to interact with their respective mirrors without suffering from the taint. It seems likely to me, then, that only certain specific mirrors were corrupted, and it'd make the most sense for those mirrors to be the ones used by the Magisters in their experiments.

You make some interesting points, but I've always wondered about the true origin of the Golden City turning Black since playing legacy because Corypheus stated the Golden City was already Black when they arrived.  I'm not as well read on the lore as I would like but I thought maybe Andraste assumed that the Magisters corrupted the city and created the Dark Spawn by accidnet when it was never golden in the first place and always black and the dark spawn were just released from where they were previously contained.  Either it was a propaganda coup for Andraste (my enemies created and unleased this horror due to their arrogance) or perhaps the golden city was only assumed to be real with no proof much like the Cities Of Gold that Spanish conquistadors were looking for in history and when they found a black city in the fade they all assumed it was corrupt men who destroyed it.

[MichaelStuart]

The black city

[Josielyn]

It would be very cool to have travel done "through the looking glass" in DA3. Mirror, Mirror on the wall, take me to the Mages' Hall.