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[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Okay I was thinking about this. After watching the DLC on Youtube and after reading TAO's evaluation I had to laugh some more. Now for some more humor. Leviathans are over 1 billion years old. They were the first species harvested. They managed to get themselves harvested. Think about this.

To maintain a population with significant diversity between 50,000 and 100,000 of these would have had to escape and be on the same world. Now these are supposed to be in the "far corners of the galaxy." Okay I know that's a metaphor since there are no "corners". Now over a billion years of evolution, and yes evolution. They are not immune. These things will evolve to fit their environments. Will their new environments demand their "intelligence" and their "psionic powers"? Probably not. So those would probably go. How about their immense size? Maybe that would eventually go as well. Thus after 1 billion years we end up with this possibly with the intelligence of the Oscar (fish) and a big myth:



So Bioware, you make me laugh some more. You give us morons from the deep with immense mind control powers instead. After 1 billion years they are still arrogant as ever.

And we know our choices matter. We know what you're up to. We know you're wanting to narrow our end choices down to one. You've made these things more dangerous than the reapers that destroying the reapers, severely damaging the mass relays, damaging the tech we rely upon, destroying our own synthetics, and after the war our own numbers so depleted leaves us vulnerable to these things. You changed our mission parameters so that Destroy is now being reconsidered.

This leaves Synthesis and Control. I think Omega will show the weaknesses of Control against these things, leaving the green paradise. The brave new world as the best.

But you couldn't put this stuff in the original game. No you had to add it afterward to justify your cluster**** of an ending. DLC should expand on the theme of the game. You said that all endings are equal. Yet you refused to give closure on the Destroy ending. Now we know why. The destroy ending is a dead end. The series is a dead end. Put a bullet in the radiator and put it out of its misery.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 29 août 2012 - 06:09 .

[Taboo]

No.

Nyet.

Nein.

Bushi.

Iie.

[Tocquevillain]

Love how you've taken actual game information, then speculated about Leviathan evolution, then used your conclusion from speculation to attack Bioware.

Are you even reading what you're writing?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Tocquevillain wrote...

Love how you've taken actual game information, then speculated about Leviathan evolution, then used your conclusion from speculation to attack Bioware.

Are you even reading what you're writing?

My major was in geology with an emphasis in paleobiology. Granted there's a lot of arm waving, but we did see what happened to the giant organisms here on earth such as the dinosaurs, the large sea reptiles, the very large land mammals, and the very large fish.

Nature selected for smaller versions.

And is this not what Casey Hudson wanted us to do? Speculate? Are you not speculating?

[Conniving_Eagle]

Look at the cute wittle cuttlefish, that's a nice gif!

I can see in the Omega DLC that the Omega space station turns out to actually be some kind of giant Reaper that allowed Aria to control it and in turn indoctrinated her. Then Shepard must destroy it and in turn learns that nothing can control the Reapers.

You know, Quality Bioware Writing.

Modifié par Conniving_Eagle, 29 août 2012 - 06:22 .

[Krunjar]

You make an awful lot of speculation and assumption of the composition of alien life forms. Based on what we know of those on earth. Which quite frankly is just glorified headcannon.

And as for putting a negative connotation to destroy. No I don't think so these things are powerful but not nearly as powerful as the reapers. Their Indoctrination is dangerous. But not unbeatable. Perhaps it does add a dangerous element to destroy but frankly I find the lesson that if all you can do is wave your gun around and blow sh*t up your going to run into trouble a poignant one.

[Conniving_Eagle]

What we don't know is how long they live. It might not be 100,000,000s - 1,000,000,000s of years old because Leviathan said it was a descendant of those who tried to solve their problem (I wonder if it inherited their stupidity).

@Krunjar, Leviathan hemorrhaged a capital ship, and given the implications of Destroy, they would become a serious threat.

Modifié par Conniving_Eagle, 29 août 2012 - 06:36 .

[rekn2]

arrogant nothing. stop attaching human behaviors to other things like a good college kid should.

the leviathan reminds me of a socially parasitic ant i have. its not evil yet is controls the minds of other ants to suite its own purposes. same goes for putting a number on biological diversification, ****ing STOP.

this is all to the OP's first few paragraphs, the bottom of which i completely agree with, though im a EA/ending h8r...

[Ukomba]

Cool theory, but that's really all it is. Just because Evolution exists doesn't mean it forces a change. Apex predators can go millions of years unchanged, We have evidence of sharks that have gone 350 million years with almost zero evolutionary change. In Evolution, it isn't years that matter anyways, it's the number of generations that have gone by. I would assume these things have a life span at least as long as an Assari,which would drastically lower the number of generation's that have passed since the first harvest. Quite possibly less generations of leviathans than Generation of Sharks. If they are already perfectly suited to their situation, then they wouldn't evolve significantly in that time. *Also, alien species don't have to follow earth rule of evolution*

Speaking of not having to follow earth rules. The biology of the Leviathan might not require 50,000 and 100,000 individuals to perpetuate the species. A single Assari could propagate her species just fine if she had a couple of alien races with her. They could even reproduce asexually for all you know.

Also, there's no evidence that the Leviathans would be a significant threat to the galaxy at large. They have some control ability but the alliance knows how it's done and could simply destroy any orbs it finds. We have no evidence that their particularly strong fighters conventionally. One might be killed with a single thalanx cannon strike, and have no weapons beyond it's limited control of organics and short range pulse attack.

Beyond that, there's no evidence that they have any desire to dominate the galaxy again. The way you talk I suspect you killed the Rachni queen in ME1, killed the Geth ME3, and chose not to cure the Genophage.

In short, The Leviathans are a mostly about crowd control, not dps. They could eventually be dangerous in the refuse ending if you won, because they would then have control of a portion of the reaper forces and could use them against he alliance. Even then that's pure speculation.

Modifié par Ukomba, 29 août 2012 - 06:48 .

[Little Princess Peach]

Im still getting my head around Harby being a fish regardless of what Bioware may do Destroy is still the best option for me

[Z1nfidel]

I'd like to point out that all that text you typed up is eclipsed by the .gif of the adorable cuttlefish.

Their eyes are really cool.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

And most organisms of the great depths of the sea are not that large because the great pressures would crush them. Physics. Some of the largest we've found here on earth are around 15 feet.

Cuttlefish gif eclipses all.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 29 août 2012 - 06:53 .

[alsonamedbort]

Headcanons everywhere!

Also a couple of nitpicks.

Modifié par alsonamedbort, 29 août 2012 - 06:52 .

[LilLino]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

And most organisms of the great depths of the sea are not that large because the great pressures would crush them. Physics. Some of the largest we've found here on earth are around 15 feet.

Cuttlefish gif eclipses all.

Apparently I didn't see us using biotics omni-tools or starships either. I've also never met a Turian.
I guess it has something to do with the game being wait..what was it again...science..ahh  yes! Science-FICTION.

[Mims]

I feel like people are getting a little crazy with this. We don't have the blueprints of Leviathan's future plans. Unless future games expand upon it*, its up to you what happens.

*And if future games expand upon it, then obviously it won't matter what ending you picked. Even if they made one canon.

Its also worth noting that the writers have said the EC epilogue takes place over several hundred years. [The slideshow with things being rebuilt and fancier.] So clearly, the Leviathans have not taken over in at least that time span.

Are they biding their time? Well, maybe. But that's up to you.

[Ukomba]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

And most organisms of the great depths of the sea are not that large because the great pressures would crush them. Physics. Some of the largest we've found here on earth are around 15 feet.

Cuttlefish gif eclipses all.

Please don't quote physics when you apparently don't understand it. The reason most organism at great depths are small is because there isn't much food down there, and very little oxygen. It's not so much pressure that matters as is delta pressure, ie, if the internal pressure of the creature is equal the the exterior pressure there is no crushing effect.  So the size of the creature is immaterial if it's internal pressure is equal to the exterior pressure.

Modifié par Ukomba, 29 août 2012 - 07:14 .

[RadicalDisconnect]

Ukomba wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

And most organisms of the great depths of the sea are not that large because the great pressures would crush them. Physics. Some of the largest we've found here on earth are around 15 feet.

Cuttlefish gif eclipses all.

Please don't quote physics when you apparently don't understand it. The reason most organism at great depths are small is because there isn't much food down there, and very little oxygen. It's not so much pressure that matters as is delta pressure, ie, if the internal pressure of the creature is equal the the exterior pressure there is no crushing effect.  So the size of the creature is immaterial if it's internal pressure is equal to the exterior pressure.

I really wonder what Leviathans' physical properties are. Wasn't it stated that they consume eezo? Do they have some sort of organic eezo core built in? I might make a new thread about this.

[Ukomba]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

Ukomba wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

And most organisms of the great depths of the sea are not that large because the great pressures would crush them. Physics. Some of the largest we've found here on earth are around 15 feet.

Cuttlefish gif eclipses all.

Please don't quote physics when you apparently don't understand it. The reason most organism at great depths are small is because there isn't much food down there, and very little oxygen. It's not so much pressure that matters as is delta pressure, ie, if the internal pressure of the creature is equal the the exterior pressure there is no crushing effect.  So the size of the creature is immaterial if it's internal pressure is equal to the exterior pressure.

I really wonder what Leviathans' physical properties are. Wasn't it stated that they consume eezo? Do they have some sort of organic eezo core built in? I might make a new thread about this.

They speculated that the Leviathans would need to replenish it's Eezo at some point, but that was all.  There's no evidence that it's true, or how it's used if it is true.  Given how Eezo is required to do just about anything in ME, I suspect they do use it some how, but how is speculation.  Don't think there is such a thing as Organic Eezo.

Modifié par Ukomba, 29 août 2012 - 08:20 .

[Dany164]

Z1nfidel wrote...

I'd like to point out that all that text you typed up is eclipsed by the .gif of the adorable cuttlefish.

Their eyes are really cool.

[Eain]

I subscribe to the theory that the leviathans devolved into psychic earth-dwelling cuttlefish that we now keep in aquariums, and that this is why Harbinger is so interested in humanity.

In fact I'm going to go a step further and wager that in ME2 the Collectors invaded the Normandy to see if there were cuttlefish in Shepard's acquarium so they could complete their harvest. Disappointed to find that there were only Kharshan snapping eels, they took the Normandy's crew instead.

Modifié par Eain, 29 août 2012 - 08:24 .

[Applepie_Svk]

Yes Cuttlefish emperor slaver race with size of little ship and mindcontrol ability, what else do you want ... well and OFC space farting species FTL FART NAO ! and cuttlefish invasion can start

When someone mention in the conversation that he is part of APEX SPecIES few times in row than I guess he won´t be a very friendly guy... most likely arrogant scum

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 29 août 2012 - 08:26 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Come on guys, you know how hard I had to look to find that gif?

Isn't he cute? Wouldn't it have been hilarious if Shepard had gotten down to the depths and instead of the big monsterous Levithan, one of these came swimming up instead, and kind of just investigated the atlas? But then another, and another, and another, and another, and soon a whole school of them appeard to feebly communicate. Then Shepard hears a high pitched piercing sound in his brain. They wait. Nothing. Then they scatter. And that's it.

Shepard gets back on to the Normandy, Liara mind melds to figure it out. "They tried to stun you and eat you, Shepard. It didn't work. They got scared so they left. Apparently this is what a billion years of evolution will do. We chased a myth."

Some things should remain a mystery. Some things should remain myths.

[Thin029]

What if they reproduce asexually like with fragmentation? They wouldn't need a diverse population with different DNA to do that .

[Zardoc]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Awww...how cute...

Modifié par Zardoc, 29 août 2012 - 11:31 .

[Eterna]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...


Dumb stuff

Boy your just full of terrible ideas lately, aren't you?

Modifié par Eterna5, 29 août 2012 - 11:33 .